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Does Eve Deserve More Blame Than Adam?

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I'm going to add only a personal thought......I wonder if Adam could have redeemed Eve by giving his life for her like Jesus has done for us all. Since the bible does call Jesus the 2nd Adam.

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Interesting thought. Moses actually spoke with God. God repented of what He was going to do because of Moses' entreating Him.
Exodus 32:10-14

King James Version (KJV)

10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
11 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.
14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
 
I'm going to add only a personal thought......I wonder if Adam could have redeemed Eve by giving his life for her like Jesus has done for us all. Since the bible does call Jesus the 2nd Adam.

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There is another scripture where Moses offers his life for that of the people but I can't find it!
 

Forgive me for interrupting, but I just couldn’t help myself when I saw your statement. This isn’t the first prophecy in the Bible. The honorary title of being the "first prophecy" belongs to the Hebrew word B’resheet which translates into “In the beginning” and tells the complete story (from beginning to end) about the Messiah and His work of redemption.

I disagree.
 
Every Hebrew letter has a word picture in it with a subsequent teaching. The root definition of every Hebrew word is based on the teaching that goes with each letter that make up the word.

In the word B’resheet ("in the beginning) every letter tells something about the story of the Messiah:

The letter bet (B) means “house.” If a man is going to establish his “house” he has to take a bride. God’s great plan is that He will take a bride, and this is how He will establish the House of God.

The letter resh (R) means “head.” The “head of that House” will be the Messiah.

With bet and resh by themselves, the word is bar which means “son.” The son of the house will be the head of the house who will take a bride.

When the letter hay (H- which means "breath") is added to bar, the word is b’rah which means “create.” Now this son of the head of the house who will take a bride is the creator.

If the bet is dropped, B’resheet becomes resheet which means “firstborn.” He’s going to be the firstborn of the house who will be the son of the house who will take a bride, build a house, and He’s the creator!

HOW AWESOME!

Now, any time you see “Almighty God” in Scripture, the Hebrew words are El Shaddai. (El meaning “God.”) The letters in Shaddai are shin (S), dalet (D) and yod (Y.) Shin means “hand,” and since Hebrew is written from right to left it looks like: the hand is beside Almighty God because in the text the letter shin LITERALLY sits to the right of El “God!”

And if you combine the letter aleph (A) with the letter shin, the word is ash meaning “fire.” When He comes He’ll be a consuming fire!

Now all of this can be found in later Scriptures, but it is all taught in the very first word of Gen 1:1! B’resheet tells the whole story of who the Messiah is, what He will be, what He will do and how He is going to do it!

OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD!!!
 
Thank-you Deb for listening and considering what I thought and said, I agree about that vs with Moses I seem to recall something like that perhaps....also though God had said he wanted to destroy Israel and make a nation out of Moses and he said no and begged God for mercy for the people which could be a type for what we are talking about as well. If you think through the possibility of Adam having redeemed her it is interesting...

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Every Hebrew letter has a word picture in it with a subsequent teaching. The root definition of every Hebrew word is based on the teaching that goes with each letter that make up the word.

In the word B’resheet ("in the beginning) every letter tells something about the story of the Messiah:

The letter bet (B) means “house.” If a man is going to establish his “house” he has to take a bride. God’s great plan is that He will take a bride, and this is how He will establish the House of God.

The letter resh (R) means “head.” The “head of that House” will be the Messiah.

With bet and resh by themselves, the word is bar which means “son.” The son of the house will be the head of the house who will take a bride.

When the letter hay (H- which means "breath") is added to bar, the word is b’rah which means “create.” Now this son of the head of the house who will take a bride is the creator.

If the bet is dropped, B’resheet becomes resheet which means “firstborn.” He’s going to be the firstborn of the house who will be the son of the house who will take a bride, build a house, and He’s the creator!

HOW AWESOME!

Now, any time you see “Almighty God” in Scripture, the Hebrew words are El Shaddai. (El meaning “God.”) The letters in Shaddai are shin (S), dalet (D) and yod (Y.) Shin means “hand,” and since Hebrew is written from right to left it looks like: the hand is beside Almighty God because in the text the letter shin LITERALLY sits to the right of El “God!”

And if you combine the letter aleph (A) with the letter shin, the word is ash meaning “fire.” When He comes He’ll be a consuming fire!

Now all of this can be found in later Scriptures, but it is all taught in the very first word of Gen 1:1! B’resheet tells the whole story of who the Messiah is, what He will be, what He will do and how He is going to do it!

OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD!!!

Nice post, and it is exciting when we learn these things. The hidden nuggets that are to be found. I personally like this one.

Caesar had written on the cross at Calvary

Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews
Yeshua Ha Nazarei Vemelekh Ha Yhudim
Yud Hei Vav Hei first letters of each word = Yahvah or Yahwah= Jehovah

No wonder the Jews were so angry and demand that Caesar remove it, but he said he had written what he had written.
 
To answer the OP question; No.
Both Eve and Adam were without intellect. Devoid of "knowledge" or "Gnosis" , like unto what God possessed.
If blame is to be appointed it should rest on the adversary that gained entry into the garden paradise and knowing full well the innocence there, worked his wiles as that antithesis of God's words and persuaded Eve to listen to his words.
 
please springwater tell me what your photo means to you? For myself there is much meaning and I am curious to hear how to connects to you?

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Caesar had written on the cross at Calvary
Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews
Yeshua Ha Nazarei Vemelekh Ha Yhudim
Yud Hei Vav Hei first letters of each word = Yahvah or Yahwah= Jehovah

No wonder the Jews were so angry and demand that Caesar remove it, but he said he had written what he had written.
Y = yod “handâ€
H= hay “reveal†(as mentioned above, can also mean “creatorâ€)
V= vav “nailâ€
H=hay “revealâ€

THE REVELATION OF THE NAILED HAND
 
If it truly connected so neatly and so obviously, the Jews would now be worshipping the same Messiah that you do.
If the Jews had accepted Jesus of Nazareth back then, it would have automatically disqualified Him for being the Messiah. The reason they didn’t accept Him then was because they were fulfilling prophesy.
 
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Somebody said Adam had no intellect.

A bit of thought soon shows that this is wrong.

He NAMED the beasts of the field that God brought to him. That alone shows a substantial vocabulary in his mind.

He also understood perfectly clearly the words a, grammar and syntax of : In the day thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.

And 'let them have dominion...etc'.

He understood his commission to a. dress the garden (ie act as a gardener and b. keep it (act a a watchman).

The fierceness of Paul's condemnation of Adam is completely underestimated.

1 Adam was not deceived, he says. He is entirely blameworthy for the whole thing because

2 No fewer than 10 times does Paul say in Romans 5 that it was by one MAN that sin entered the world, and death by sin

And

3 In Philippians 2 the most dreadful contrast is drawn by him between Jesus and Adam:

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God,

['Let us make man in our image, after our likeness']

thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

[this rendering makes no sense. The ERV is far better: Who thought equality with God not a thing to be grasped/snatched. This is a direct reference to 'ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil...]

7 But made himself of no reputation,

ERVmg 'emptied himself', which suits the NT use of the word very well indeed. See below for the other uses of that word kenow

How does one empty a vessel?

One pours out the contents: in perfect agreement with Isa 53:
He hath poured out his soul unto death...

The emptying is in direct contrast with Adam who was full of himself.


and took upon him the form of a servant,

Adam was a gardener - and didn't like it for one moment, because he was to have, or did have, dominion over the planet: and here he was, picking up leaves etc etc.

and was made in the likeness of men:[Adam!]

8 And being found in fashion as a man

4
976 σχημα schema skhay’-mah

from the alternate of 2192; TDNT-7:954,1129; n n

AV-fashion 2; 2

1) the habitus, as comprising everything in a person which strikes the senses, the figure, bearing, discourse, actions, mannerof life etc.
In other words, he was entirely human, and remains so, as 1 Tim 2.5 says.

he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Adam disobeyed, and brought death upon all men. The cross brought life.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

[Which was what Adam wanted - that dominion over the planet]

10 That at [the ERV and others changes AT into] IN the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

{which was what Adam wanted more that anything else: and we now pay the price for his evil.}


Eve is not mentioned in this drastic condemnation anywhere. In i Tim. Paul says 'the woman being deceived became involved in the transgression. Suggesting a very low order of blame being laid at her door.

In Gen 3, it says the God drove out the MAN. Clearly didn't want to go: disobedient to the last.

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Uses of kenoo:

Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void <2758>, and the promise made of none effect:

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect <2758>.

1 Corinthians 9:15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make <2758> my glorying void <2758>.

2 Corinthians 9:3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain <2758> in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:

Philippians 2:7 But made <2758> himself of no reputation <2758>, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
 
He also understood perfectly clearly the words a, grammar and syntax ..
You write that as if Genesis is the direct copy of Adam's journal. It is not. Moses is the purported author of Genesis, not Adam.

The fruit of the tree of Knowledge would have made both Eve and Adam like unto God's knowledge of good and evil. The fruit being allegorical for intellect that would comprehend good or evil and thus allow for Adam and Eve to make an informed choice regarding disobedience or obedience to God's will, having understanding of the difference.
 

Y = yod “hand”
H= hay “reveal” (as mentioned above, can also mean “creator”)
V= vav “nail”
H=hay “reveal”

THE REVELATION OF THE NAILED HAND

i would like to see that source of that. the jewish source for my view of the Name isnt near that.

YUD doesnt mean hand from what i have seen.
 
i would like to see that source of that. the jewish source for my view of the Name isnt near that.

YUD doesnt mean hand from what i have seen.

Sure! Here are a few...

1. on…. http://www.inner.org/hebleter/default.htm
for each letter scroll down to “NAME†and also“Divinityâ€

2. on …. http://www.abarim-publications.com/Hebrew_Alphabet_Meaning.html
Scroll down tothe "meaning" index

3. on…. http://www.amerisoftinc.com/hebletr1.htm
See chart
 
You write that as if Genesis is the direct copy of Adam's journal. It is not. Moses is the purported author of Genesis, not Adam.

Moses is never said to be the author of Genesis.

The fruit of the tree of Knowledge would have made both Eve and Adam like unto God's knowledge of good and evil. The fruit being allegorical for intellect that would comprehend good or evil and thus allow for Adam and Eve to make an informed choice regarding disobedience or obedience to God's will, having understanding of the difference.

There is nothing allegorical about the Genesis account.

Informed choice implies information being transmitted - hence grammar, syntax etc being involved.

Understanding means grasping the meaning of that information, which was conveyed bt the grammar, syntax etc..
 
Moses is never said to be the author of Genesis.
You'll note I said the purported author of Genesis being that of Moshe or Moses.
"..there is hardly a biblical scholar in the world actively working on the [authorship] problem who would claim that the Five Books of Moses were written by Moses." R.E. Friedman - Author: Who Wrote The Bible?



There is nothing allegorical about the Genesis account.

Informed choice implies information being transmitted - hence grammar, syntax etc being involved.

Understanding means grasping the meaning of that information, which was conveyed bt the grammar, syntax etc..
Well, there's certainly nothing literal about it. And given Jesus spoke in Parables and idioms were quite popular at the time the Bible was written, I'll agree to disagree with you.
 
i would like to see that source of that. the jewish source for my view of the Name isnt near that.

YUD doesnt mean hand from what i have seen.

He is takign this as it's simplist form.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html

Jason, we both know that everything in existence starts with a yud. As the chart shows, work, throw and worship. Do we streatch the yud and it becomes a vav... which secures our tent? You see where I am going with this :wave
 
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