brightfame52
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How can one obey to be created ? How can one obey to be resurrected from the dead ? Man is passive.
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Does man have free will to choose salvation?
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Excellent.
I can only go by what scripture says.
John 1:14..."And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Do you have a scripture that says that "God" took on flesh ?
In the beginning, God and the Word were together, and, distinct from one another.
They were one, but separable.
The Word took on skin and bones, and was born of a woman, and named Jesus.
In the end, God and the Word will again be one, as 1 Cor 15:28 says..."And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all."
Have you repented of sin ?
Or are you still a servant of sin ?
Have you been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins ?
Or are you still carrying around all your past sins, when they could have been washed away by the blood of Christ ?
Your blinded by your self-righteousness
I was the one who was pushing from the inside, trying to escape.
So, yes, I did have something to do with my first birth.
I was never offered a first life, or the means of making it happen...like I was for my rebirth.
Thanks be to God for the ways and means of rebirth from Gods seed !
One can't.
There is nothing we can do to be resurrected on the last day.
However, we can be baptized into Christ, and into His death, burial, and resurrection, to be born again.
It isn't my righteousness.
"Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works," (Rom 4:6)
Hasn't He done that for you yet ?
"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." (Rom 5:18)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:7)
"What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith." (Rom 9:30)
Here is another command for all to follow..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
brightfame52
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You speak foolishly friend,The Bible compares regeneration to a birth. The intent is to convey the idea that, whereas a man cannot perform natural action until he is born naturally, neither can he perform spiritual action until he is born spiritually !
brightfame52
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Okay so the fact one must be born again isn't a command to obey, no more so is one must be raised from the dead is a command to obey, for being born again/and resurrection are one and the same
brightfame52
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You mixing together faith and believing as if they were the same thing.
Faith is a noun.
We receive faith from God when we hear Him speak to us; whether directly or through those He sends to preach the Gospel.
- So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17
Believing (obeying) is our part and is a verb; the action we choose to do or not do, when we hear God speak.
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12
- lest they should believe and be saved
These by the wayside did if fact hear the Gospel message of salvation but they didn’t believe, and therefore were not saved.
The condition required for one to be saved is to believe.
- lest they should believe and be saved
JLB
No confusion here.
On one hand, there is no difference between faith and belief. The two terms are often used interchangeably. The Gospel of John was written so that “you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:31). The Gospel of John does not even use the word faith, although the concept of faith is thoroughly woven into John. Throughout Scripture, there is no distinction between faith and belief.
On the other hand, in popular English usage, the word faith often has a deeper meaning. Belief often refers to an intellectual acceptance of facts. If you ask the average person on the street if he believes in Alexander the Great or Abraham Lincoln, he would probably interpret the question to mean, “Do you believe that such a person existed?” Most, no doubt, would answer in the affirmative. However, faith, in modern usage, has the added idea of trust and commitment.
Many people believe that Alexander the Great existed. When he was alive, many had faith in him as well, trusting him to protect them, lead them into battle, and expand the Greek Empire. However, it would be safe to assume that no one alive today is trusting him to do anything for them. They believe in his existence, but they do not have faith in him.
Most people believe it is important to eat healthy foods and exercise regularly; however, most people do not personally eat healthy food and exercise regularly. They believe that a certain set of facts is true, but they have not committed themselves to the implications of the facts. They have belief but not faith, in the modern sense.
Likewise, many people today believe a certain set of facts about God, and in some cases their facts may be completely orthodox. However, if they have never committed themselves to God, if they have not trusted Him, then they do not have faith or biblical belief in Him. Biblical faith (biblical belief) is never simply giving assent to a certain set of facts. Biblical faith is trust and commitment that result in a change of behavior. James 2:19 puts it this way: “You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.” The demons believe that God exists, and they may even know more about God than people do, but they do not have faith in Him. Unfortunately, many people have the same kind of belief that the demons have, but that it is not sufficient for their salvation.
This concept can be illustrated another way: three people board a commercial airliner to travel to a distant city. The first is an engineer who designs and builds airplanes. He is also a pilot. He knows how everything works. Furthermore, he is a personal friend of the pilot who will be flying that afternoon, and he knows him to be very competent. He boards the plane with full confidence. The second person is just the average business traveler. He knows a little bit about airplanes but just doesn’t think about it too much. He takes his seat and starts reading a magazine. The third is deathly afraid of flying. He breaks out in a cold sweat. It takes all he can do not to turn and flee down the gangway. With much fear and trembling, he gets on the plane, sits down, and hopes he can fall asleep and not wake up until they land. So the question is, “who has more faith in the plane?” The answer is that they all have the same amount of faith. All of them have boarded the plane and committed their safety to the plane and the crew. They will only arrive at their destination if the plane arrives. If the plane goes down, they will go down, too. All the people who got on the plane were committing themselves to the plane—they believed (or had faith) in the plane. Those who stayed at the airport, even if they had complete confidence that the plane would arrive as scheduled, did not exercise faith in the plane. They did not commit themselves to it.
In summary, faith and belief are used interchangeably. However, the New Testament does recognize that people can have false faith or incomplete belief, which is inadequate. The difference is not between the two words but between the concepts of mental agreement and wholehearted commitment. In modern usage, belief often refers to mental agreement, and faith refers to wholehearted commitment. As long as that distinction is maintained, it doesn’t matter which words are used. However, we need to be careful not to import the modern usage back into specific New Testament passages.
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Luk 8:12 “And those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.
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πιστεύω
pisteuō; from 4102; to believe, entrust: — believe(118), believed(73), believers(3), believes(29), believing(10), entrust(1), entrusted(6), entrusting(1), had believed(1), has faith(1).
Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
G4102
πίστις
pistis
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
I don’t know what your point is here with this post.
Do you agree or disagree that one must believe to be saved.
Faith is a noun.
We receive faith from God when we hear Him speak to us; whether directly or through those He sends to preach the Gospel.
- So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17
Believing (obeying) is our part and is a verb; the action we choose to do or not do, when we hear God speak.
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12
- lest they should believe and be saved
These by the wayside did if fact hear the Gospel message of salvation but they didn’t believe, and therefore were not saved.
The condition required for one to be saved is to believe.
- lest they should believe and be saved
brightfame52
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brightfame52
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Jews are the elect. They were elected to be the lineage of Christ.
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 2:10
Paul desired for the elect (Jews) to also obtain salvation which is in Christ Jesus.
brightfame52
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Both jews and Gentiles are the elect and
Those who adhere to the doctrine of free will, that a man can and must make a free-will decision for Christ before he can be saved, condition salvation, not on God’s election of grace and Christ’s atonement for sin, but on a work, or act, of man’s !