Enter the Kingdom of Heaven

[jasoncran]

There is a difference between being saved (forgiven for past sins) and putting an end to our sinning so the Lord doesn’t have to keep saving us over and over again.

Yes, we all need to be saved from the consequences of past sins. But the chore before us is to stop sinning so the Lord doesn’t have to keep saving us. As Paul said:

[12] Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
[13] for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Phil 2:12-13 RSV

funny he admited that he wasnt perfect and died in such manner. grace and grace is whats needed.

iam not a eternal security type but its not a legalistic salvation.

its we repent and strive to be holy, not that we will ever make it.

we do to please him as that is what he wants and we want to.

santification isnt justification

otherwise for every little sin we would have to repent then and there and we sin so much do we have to repent all the time.

we are that wicked.yes we should repent daily but if i take it your way then i cant work as i would have time to do is pray and repent.

hard to do that like you put it.

and you failed to adress that verse i stated on all that they live godly shall be perscuted. thats a promise

that means live holy and the world will hate you. life wont be bliss. sometimes doing the right thing means hardship and death.

 

[elijah23]

funny he admited that he wasnt perfect and died in such manner. grace and grace is whats needed.

iam not a eternal security type but its not a legalistic salvation.

its we repent and strive to be holy, not that we will ever make it.

we do to please him as that is what he wants and we want to.

santification isnt justification

otherwise for every little sin we would have to repent then and there and we sin so much do we have to repent all the time.

we are that wicked.yes we should repent daily but if i take it your way then i cant work as i would have time to do is pray and repent.

hard to do that like you put it.

and you failed to adress that verse i stated on all that they live godly shall be perscuted. thats a promise

that means live holy and the world will hate you. life wont be bliss. sometimes doing the right thing means hardship and death.

You are not an eternity security person? Do you not believe the Lord can protect you?

 

[jasoncran]

You are not an eternity security person? Do you not believe the Lord can protect you?

nope. i do believe that one can loose ones salvation.

yet that is a long hard process that you choose to do.

hebrews 6 says that is possible, the jews then did decide to return to the law and they were warned of the consequences.

 

[elijah23]

funny he admited that he wasnt perfect and died in such manner. grace and grace is whats needed.

iam not a eternal security type but its not a legalistic salvation.

its we repent and strive to be holy, not that we will ever make it.

we do to please him as that is what he wants and we want to.

santification isnt justification

otherwise for every little sin we would have to repent then and there and we sin so much do we have to repent all the time.

we are that wicked.yes we should repent daily but if i take it your way then i cant work as i would have time to do is pray and repent.

hard to do that like you put it.

and you failed to adress that verse i stated on all that they live godly shall be perscuted. thats a promise

that means live holy and the world will hate you. life wont be bliss. sometimes doing the right thing means hardship and death.

“Little sin� Perhaps you need to revise your definition of sin. If it's little, it's not a sin. There are certain lines, though, we must not cross.

 

[elijah23]

funny he admited that he wasnt perfect and died in such manner. grace and grace is whats needed.

iam not a eternal security type but its not a legalistic salvation.

its we repent and strive to be holy, not that we will ever make it.

we do to please him as that is what he wants and we want to.

santification isnt justification

otherwise for every little sin we would have to repent then and there and we sin so much do we have to repent all the time.

we are that wicked.yes we should repent daily but if i take it your way then i cant work as i would have time to do is pray and repent.

hard to do that like you put it.

and you failed to adress that verse i stated on all that they live godly shall be perscuted. thats a promise

that means live holy and the world will hate you. life wont be bliss. sometimes doing the right thing means hardship and death.

What's wrong with persecuted? Persecution doesn't hurt. What hurts is the pangs of a guilty conscience.

 

[elijah23]

funny he admited that he wasnt perfect and died in such manner. grace and grace is whats needed.

iam not a eternal security type but its not a legalistic salvation.

its we repent and strive to be holy, not that we will ever make it.

we do to please him as that is what he wants and we want to.

santification isnt justification

otherwise for every little sin we would have to repent then and there and we sin so much do we have to repent all the time.

we are that wicked.yes we should repent daily but if i take it your way then i cant work as i would have time to do is pray and repent.

hard to do that like you put it.

and you failed to adress that verse i stated on all that they live godly shall be perscuted. thats a promise

that means live holy and the world will hate you. life wont be bliss. sometimes doing the right thing means hardship and death.

I try to live holy. I don’t seem to have much trouble with people hating me.

 

[jasoncran]

“Little sin� Perhaps you need to revise your definition of sin. If it's little, it's not a sin. There are certain lines, though, we must not cross.

well then how perfect do we have to be so that god wont have to use grace at all that he has to let us into heaven?

i know of no man that hasnt died without some sin in his life. its not the sin that gets you its the heart that hasnt remained faithful

god never deminded holiness from the jews, it was faith that please the lord.

abraham believed first then circumsised himself and others in house

god imputed rightenouss yet after that we see him faltering. hmm

moses died from his sin with the lord and yet we see him counted amongst the faithful.

 

[elijah23]

funny he admited that he wasnt perfect and died in such manner. grace and grace is whats needed.

iam not a eternal security type but its not a legalistic salvation.

its we repent and strive to be holy, not that we will ever make it.

we do to please him as that is what he wants and we want to.

santification isnt justification

otherwise for every little sin we would have to repent then and there and we sin so much do we have to repent all the time.

we are that wicked.yes we should repent daily but if i take it your way then i cant work as i would have time to do is pray and repent.

hard to do that like you put it.

and you failed to adress that verse i stated on all that they live godly shall be perscuted. thats a promise

that means live holy and the world will hate you. life wont be bliss. sometimes doing the right thing means hardship and death.

Life is bliss as long as we obey the Lord. It doesn't matter what's going on outside because the Lord is always blessing us inside.

 

[elijah23]

nope. i do believe that one can loose ones salvation.

yet that is a long hard process that you choose to do.

hebrews 6 says that is possible, the jews then did decide to return to the law and they were warned of the consequences.

Certainly if we sin the Lord must discipline us, but certainly the Lord can protect us from all harm. If we stop sinning, we have eternal security. That is why the Lord told us to stop sinning.

 

[jasoncran]

Life is bliss as long as we obey the Lord. It doesn't matter what's going on outside because the Lord is always blessing us inside.

so that isnt news.ok but that doesnt mean we wont die, be poor

theres coming a day where will wont have sorrow.

sheesh, my grandmother died this year and my sins had nothing to do with that, death isnt done away with.

we had member here that was murdered and died and went to heaven. he was killed with bullet to the head and then burned. what sin did he do to deserve that?

cornelius remember him? so long as their sinners on this earth their will be sorrow and also christian who sin.

god is coming to stop that purge the sinners and convert us fully

we are saved from the past, being saved from the power of sin and will be saved from the power death.

the later simply hasnt happened yet.

 

[elijah23]

I posted to the wrong person. Let me try again.

 

[jasoncran]

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Certainly if we sin the Lord must discipline us, but certainly the Lord can protect us from all harm. If we stop sinning, we have eternal security. That is why the Lord told us to stop sinning.

so perfection is needed! paul died without such level of perfection he made that clear. you choose to ignore. when we think we are so holy and right, god says nope you have to grow more,

you claim that salvation hinges on us. it doesnt it hinges on what he did and what we decided to do with that.

we can leave the lord but dont ever think we can cleanse ourselves from sins.

if so aa would be the most effictive way.

 

[elijah23]

nope. i do believe that one can loose ones salvation.

yet that is a long hard process that you choose to do.

hebrews 6 says that is possible, the jews then did decide to return to the law and they were warned of the consequences.

This is what I wanted to post:

I quoted this earlier this afternoon:

[12] Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
[13] for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Phil 2:12-13 RSV

In our daily walk with the Lord, he teaches us his will, over a period of time. If we obey it, we have eternal security. Here is another way to put it:

But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:33 RSV

 

[jasoncran]

yes i am familiar but paul not christ said and the council of jerusalem in acts says we arent to be under the law.

and that verse speaks of christ in us. his rightoeusness is imputed on us. this doesnt mean we can ingore gods commands but holiness on our parts isnt required.

if so then show me any modern sinless pastor and teacher and lets talk. and you wont find any.

i know men who love the lord and have walked longer then i have been alive and still say i am in need of a saviour,. i sin too much.

 

[elijah23]

well then how perfect do we have to be so that god wont have to use grace at all that he has to let us into heaven?

i know of no man that hasnt died without some sin in his life. its not the sin that gets you its the heart that hasnt remained faithful

god never deminded holiness from the jews, it was faith that please the lord.

abraham believed first then circumsised himself and others in house

god imputed rightenouss yet after that we see him faltering. hmm

moses died from his sin with the lord and yet we see him counted amongst the faithful.

Here is the list of rules I (try to) follow:

Love the Lord with all my heart, mind, and soul.
Do not murder.
Do not commit suicide.
Do not commit adultery. (Do not engage in sexual activity with someone you are not lawfully married to. If you aren’t lawfully married, then engage in sexual activity with no one.)
Do not use drugs without a prescription. (This includes tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, etc. I did take some aspirin recently for a toothache.)
Try to get eight hours of rest in preparation for each day. (Sometimes in order to do that I need to take a nap.)
Do not daydream. (This refers only to a specific type of daydream. I used to play this board baseball game, and I discovered the Lord didn’t approve. I called it “daydreaming†because I was daydreaming the games were actually happening.)
Love my neighbor as myself.
Trust the Lord.

 

[elijah23]

well then how perfect do we have to be so that god wont have to use grace at all that he has to let us into heaven?

i know of no man that hasnt died without some sin in his life. its not the sin that gets you its the heart that hasnt remained faithful

god never deminded holiness from the jews, it was faith that please the lord.

abraham believed first then circumsised himself and others in house

god imputed rightenouss yet after that we see him faltering. hmm

moses died from his sin with the lord and yet we see him counted amongst the faithful.

I tell you over and over again we have all sinned. Jesus said so. That is irrelevant. What is important is that we put an end to our sinning.

 

[elijah23]

well then how perfect do we have to be so that god wont have to use grace at all that he has to let us into heaven?

i know of no man that hasnt died without some sin in his life. its not the sin that gets you its the heart that hasnt remained faithful

god never deminded holiness from the jews, it was faith that please the lord.

abraham believed first then circumsised himself and others in house

god imputed rightenouss yet after that we see him faltering. hmm

moses died from his sin with the lord and yet we see him counted amongst the faithful.

The Jews had laws to follow.

 

[elijah23]

well then how perfect do we have to be so that god wont have to use grace at all that he has to let us into heaven?

i know of no man that hasnt died without some sin in his life. its not the sin that gets you its the heart that hasnt remained faithful

god never deminded holiness from the jews, it was faith that please the lord.

abraham believed first then circumsised himself and others in house

god imputed rightenouss yet after that we see him faltering. hmm

moses died from his sin with the lord and yet we see him counted amongst the faithful.

Faith is very important.

 

[elijah23]

so that isnt news.ok but that doesnt mean we wont die, be poor

theres coming a day where will wont have sorrow.

sheesh, my grandmother died this year and my sins had nothing to do with that, death isnt done away with.

we had member here that was murdered and died and went to heaven. he was killed with bullet to the head and then burned. what sin did he do to deserve that?

cornelius remember him? so long as their sinners on this earth their will be sorrow and also christian who sin.

god is coming to stop that purge the sinners and convert us fully

we are saved from the past, being saved from the power of sin and will be saved from the power death.

the later simply hasnt happened yet.

When we die we just go to another place. As for being poor, the Lord always provides, doesn’t he?

 

[elijah23]

so that isnt news.ok but that doesnt mean we wont die, be poor

theres coming a day where will wont have sorrow.

sheesh, my grandmother died this year and my sins had nothing to do with that, death isnt done away with.

we had member here that was murdered and died and went to heaven. he was killed with bullet to the head and then burned. what sin did he do to deserve that?

cornelius remember him? so long as their sinners on this earth their will be sorrow and also christian who sin.

god is coming to stop that purge the sinners and convert us fully

we are saved from the past, being saved from the power of sin and will be saved from the power death.

the later simply hasnt happened yet.

We won’t have sorrow as soon as we stop sinning.