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Enter the Kingdom of Heaven

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elijah23 said:
You don’t know whether or not Paul stopped sinning before he died.
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Most believers have very poor understandings of their sin.

ALL sin starts with the tempter. An evil entity that is NOT them. When the tempter inserts temptation into the MIND that IS a SIN.

Jesus showed the fact that sin THOUGHT is a SIN and clearly described it as such in His Words on adultery, showing the thought of same in heart IS a SIN.

Many believers excuse or overlook that fact and do not recognize this fact as sin, but IT Is a sin no matter how one is falsely led in their mind to spin away from the fact. That action is also of the tempter in the mind. Utter failure to see that mere thought as sin. Then a lie in themselves in saying inside that the thought is not a sin, or if one does not dwell on it it is not a sin. The fact is that the mere thought is a sin in and by the tempter in that thought.

If one reads about the law against adultery the tempter himself springs immediately into action and inserts lust or tempting thoughts. Those thoughts ARE SIN the instant they hit the mind. People who say they are not are already deceived by the tempter and the tempter in their mind LIES to them saying they are not sins.

This fact is WHY we can NOT say we have NO sin. One can not say they have (present tense) NO SIN. If they say this they are not only deceived but are also lying openly in such claims.

NO LIAR WILL BE ENTERING THE KINGDOM.

Tempting thoughts are SIN and they are so by the tempter who works in us adversarily through the LAWs of God. This must be understood as a fact for a believer in order to understand why we are not to put ourselves under LAW. Because the tempter USES Laws to create SIN thoughts.

It is also a fact that believers do not like to hear this fact, but in reality it is the tempter in them that does not want to be revealed in them. The liar will say it is JUST YOU.

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elijah23 said:
My mother died recently. She’s alive and well in the resurrection now, living with those that came before her.
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No, the resurrection has not occurred yet.

"17... Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place..." (2 Timothy 2:17-18 NIV1984)
 
Jethro Bodine said:
No, the resurrection has not occurred yet.

"17... Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place..." (2 Timothy 2:17-18 NIV1984)
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I believe either we will all be brought back to life simultaneously in the resurrection, or enter the resurrection as soon as we die. It seems more likely to me that we will enter as soon as we die.
 
And in regard to the kingdom of God being here, now:

"...here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come." (Heb. 13:14 NIV1984)


"...they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them." (Heb. 11:13-16 NIV1984)
 
Jethro Bodine said:
And in regard to the kingdom of God being here, now:

"...here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come." (Heb. 13:14 NIV1984)


"...they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them." (Heb. 11:13-16 NIV1984)
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So exactly what kingdom does Paul say we have been translated into?
 
elijah23 said:
I believe either we will all be brought back to life simultaneously in the resurrection, or enter the resurrection as soon as we die. It seems more likely to me that we will enter as soon as we die.
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The resurrection is the resurrection of the body. That will not occur until the end of the age when all the saints together will receive a glorified body and enter the kingdom.

Remember what Jesus said about the feast and how the Jews he was speaking to would be left out? I'm going out the door...don't have time to post the passage. You prolly know it. Post if for us. I'll be back.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
And in regard to the kingdom of God being here, now:

"...here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come." (Heb. 13:14 NIV1984)


"...they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them." (Heb. 11:13-16 NIV1984)
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The city that is to come is the peace we have when we obey the Lord’s will, I believe.
 
elijah23 said:
You don’t know whether or not Paul stopped sinning before he died.
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paul died after writing galatians by tradition.

he was beheaded. he wrote philipians earlier.

he said in galataians that he fought the good fight.

he would have said that he has attainted perfection if that was the case. and john would have also surely said that as he outlived them all. john died approx 100 ad. 70 yrs with the lord and surely he would have attained, yet he didnt. he died teaching and preaching love the lord.
 
Hitch said:
Try again.
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I was shooting from the hip just as I was logging out to go to church. Actually, I'm not sure Paul ever specifically said 'kingdom of heaven'. I'd have to check.

Try again? How 'bout 'kingdom of his dear Son', or something to that effect? Shooting from the hip again.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
I was shooting from the hip just as I was logging out to go to church. Actually, I'm not sure Paul ever specifically said 'kingdom of heaven'. I'd have to check.

Try again? How 'bout 'kingdom of his dear Son', or something to that effect? Shooting from the hip again.
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Re: Enter the Kingdom of Heaven

And in regard to the kingdom of God being here, now:

"...here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come." (Heb. 13:14 NIV1984)
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Looks like you missed twice.
Of course you can try to explain why and how the kingdom Paul spoke of is not the one prophesied.
 
elijah23 said:
The city that is to come is the peace we have when we obey the Lord’s will, I believe.
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But something spoken of as in the future in the Bible. Even by Jesus. And not just in some veiled reference to when the Holy Spirit gets here.

We know the kingdom is present, now. But there is a great cleansing of the kingdom coming when the bad fish are separated from the good, the chaff from the wheat, etc. It is this future cleansed kingdom that is the hope of the Christian, for 'who hopes for what he already has'? It is the definitive moment in history when God gathers his own scattered across the time and space of man's history to himself.

Here's that passage I was alluding to before:

24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’

“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’

26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’

27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’

28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. (Luke 13:24-29 NIV1984)


It's easy to see this is a definitive moment in the history of mankind, not a never-ending buffet that people attend as they die (vs. 25--"Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door").
 
Hitch said:
Looks like you missed twice.
Of course you can try to explain why and how the kingdom Paul spoke of is not the one prophesied.
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Hmmm...not really following your train of thought. But here's Paul's passage about the kingdom I was referring to:

"12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves" (Col. 1:12-12 NIV1984)

Inheritance speaks of something future, something yet to be attained. What we have now is a glimpse of what's in that kingdom. Kind of like the grapes of Eschol the 12 spies brought back from the promised land. For now, until we enter into our inheritance, we enjoy a foretaste of the glory waiting for us there through the Holy Spirit (grapes, Spirit, fruit of...get it?).
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Hmmm...not really following your train of thought. But here's Paul's passage about the kingdom I was referring to:

"12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves" (Col. 1:12-12 NIV1984)

Inheritance speaks of something future, something yet to be attained.
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For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into

Past tense.
What we have now is a glimpse of what's in that kingdom. Kind of like the grapes of Eschol the 12 spies brought back from the promised land. For now, until we enter into our inheritance, we enjoy a foretaste of the glory waiting for us there through the Holy Spirit (grapes, Spirit, fruit of...get it?).
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Hitch said:
So exactly what kingdom does Paul say we have been translated into?
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Here is the KJV where the word 'translated' is actually used:

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" (Col. 1:13 KJV)

And he is indeed speaking of the 'kingdom of his dear son' as I said.

I don't know where you're going with this.
 
Hitch said:
For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into

Past tense.
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Cross posting...don't you love it, lol?

We know you have to reserve a place in the kingdom, now. And that place in the kingdom is very real and now in that sense. But there is a time and place set apart in the future where all things in heaven and on earth will come together and the corruption in the kingdom we know now here on earth will be removed. That is the kingdom that is yet to come and which we have placed our hope in.

It ain't over 'till it's over.
 
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. (Matthew 25:31-34 NIV1984 emphasis mine)


When the Lord comes in his glory...

When the nations are gathered before him...

When he separates all people, good from bad...

His people inherit the kingdom.

This pretty well sums it up. And for all who believe, and continue to believe, it's as good as done.
 
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