Erroneous additons to the Word of God !

[Mysteryman]

Quote francis : "When I die, I will go to a better place. If it is immediately, or after 1000 years of sleep, doesn't really matter, in the big picture, since IF, IF my soul dies, I wouldn't know the time passage, so it would be like waking up from an overnight sleep. Big woop, quite frankly."

Hi francis


You don't care ?

One way or another doesn't matter to you ? Interesting concept you have there !

True, your soul does die, and time is not a factor. Your soul goes to the grave with your body. But it is not in some better place talking up a storm with the Lord somewhere neither ! Either it is dead and in the grave or it isn't, which is it ?

It is people who do not believe in scripture alone that get into all kinds of trouble. This would mean that anything goes. You would not need scriptural support for any of your beliefs. Thus whatever you want to believe , just is. Because you do not need to support your view of christianity with scripture ! Are you sure you want to live your life this way ? It is your choice of course. But having faith without scriptural support seems to be a form of denial from where I sit.

 

[francisdesales]

Quote francis : "When I die, I will go to a better place. If it is immediately, or after 1000 years of sleep, doesn't really matter, in the big picture, since IF, IF my soul dies, I wouldn't know the time passage, so it would be like waking up from an overnight sleep. Big woop, quite frankly."

Hi francis

You don't care ?

One way or another doesn't matter to you ? Interesting concept you have there !

You are sidestepping the issue again. The issue is not whether I care, but whether it is a major difference between one or the other in the dead man's understanding of what happens after physical death...

How can this be the "greatest lie", if the difference is hardly noticeable to the sleeping soul??? Does he know if he was sleeping for 1000 years or one minute???

Overstatement alert....

The point of this line of discussion is to diffuse your premise, that this is the biggest lie. It is inconsequential, one way or the other, to the sleeping soul, if we take your point of view. As such, we might as well be arguing whether a color is beige or light tan...

In the eyes of God, however, this is indeed important, as He calls us immediately to share His love with those who loved Him in the world. Why should God let us lie dormant in the ground, dead, when He desires to share of Himself? And thus, God does bring the soul to Him immediately, a wonderful gift.

True, your soul does die, and time is not a factor. Your soul goes to the grave with your body. But it is not in some better place talking up a storm with the Lord somewhere neither ! Either it is dead and in the grave or it isn't, which is it ?

I do not realize I have missed the opportunity to "talk up a storm", I was sleeping and have no concept of lost time where I can fret about it. The whole argument is pointless, in man's eyes.

Furthermore, according to Scriptures, the saints "talk up a storm" with the Lord, while their bodies lie dead in the ground. The rich man "talks up a storm" to Abraham in the afterlife. Jesus "talks up a storm" on Mount Tabor with dead men. The argument fails on all fronts... Very little relevance and flat out false argument. Thus, the soul lives on.

It is people who do not believe in scripture alone that get into all kinds of trouble.

I do not find such a mandate or rule IN the Scriptures, so now, you are just expressing an opinion, one which I find is false.

This would mean that anything goes.

False.

You would not need scriptural support for any of your beliefs.

False.

Thus whatever you want to believe , just is.

Pot, meet kettle...

You do and at the same time claim you believe in sola scriptura... Millions of Christians believe in sola scriptura and believe what they want, they disagree on major issues among each other, all claiming to be "led by the Spirit"... Some say God is not a Trinity, others disagree. Some say we are saved no matter how we act on earth, others say we must have faith AND love...I could go on for quite awhile. Sola scriptura obviously fails to provide for one faith, thus, you will believe whatever you want, rather than what God has revealed.

Because you do not need to support your view of christianity with scripture !

False.

Again, I ask you for a definition of sola scriptura. Is that too difficult to provide?

Are you sure you want to live your life this way ? It is your choice of course. But having faith without scriptural support seems to be a form of denial from where I sit.

Never said I have faith or my point of view on theology is without Scriptural support. The problem is your lack of logic. Because I do not support sola scriptura does NOT mean I toss the Bible out.

NOT AT ALL.

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote francis : "You do and at the same time claim you believe in sola scriptura... Millions of Christians believe in sola scriptura and believe what they want, they disagree on major issues among each other, all claiming to be "led by the Spirit"... Some say God is not a Trinity, others disagree. Some say we are saved no matter how we act on earth, others say we must have faith AND love...I could go on for quite awhile. Sola scriptura obviously fails to provide for one faith, thus, you will believe whatever you want, rather than what God has revealed. "


Hi francis

You seem to be very confused within this conversation about scripture alone (sola scriptura).

Yes, there are those who read the scriptures and come away with private interpretations. But they still are using scripture , nonetheless.

What you are arguing is how they come to the conclusions that they are making. Not whether or not they are using scripture. God sends apostles, and prophets etc, for the edifying and building up of the body of Christ. But even they "use" scripture in order to do that ! All scripture is profitable for doctorine, reproof, correction, which is instruction in righteousness. Not some scripture, nor those who use the scriptures in unrighteousness.

The church indeed needs men of God and their ministries. However, there are so many false teachers and preachers that have gone out into the world, claiming to be preachers and teachers of righteousness. That those who are babes in the Word can not tell the difference between a true man of God who brings forth the sriptures in righteousness, and those false teachers who bring forth the scriptures in unrighteousness.

A babe in the Word only drinks the milk of the Word, and are unskilled in the scriptures. The babes need instruction on how to understand the scriptures from a righteous POV.

Nonetheless, it still takes scripture alone to come to a knowledge of the truth. You are claiming that scripture alone is a lie, it is fake, false. Well on the other hand, I say that your understanding of this is false. And that scripture is 'always" needed to set forth true doctorine against false doctorine.

 

[nadab]

If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have been resurrected right after Jesus, these would have preceded those chosen for the heavenly calling. However, this is not so, for those selected as "kings and priests" take part in the "earlier resurrection" (Literally, “out-resurrection.†Greek, e·xa·na´sta·sin) that the apostle Paul spoke of at Philippians 3:11 and called the "first resurrection" at Revelation 20:5.

Resurrection is the raising of the body. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have not had their bodies resurrected yet, but they are with the Lord nonetheless. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. It becomes a question of where the spirit goes at death. The OT saints had to wait until Christ was raised from the dead and then they were raised in spirit to await the resurrection of their bodies at our Lord's second coming.

Where in the Bible is this found, that the "bodies" of the "saints" are raised after their initial "resurrection", that the "body" is raised separately later ? In speaking of the resurrection, Jesus made it clear that the person was brought back to life, that there is no raising of the "body" later. At John 5:28, 29, Jesus does not separate the person into "parts" but says to "not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment."(John 5:28, 29)

When Jesus was resurrected, he was not raised in "parts", whereby his "body" was brought to life later. Rather, he was raised as a spirit, and over the course of 40 days, manifested himself by materializing in a fleshly body, just as the angels did when they approached Lot before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.(Gen 19:1)

When Job was suffering with a malignant boil caused by Satan, he requested that God remember him, saying that "You will call, and I myself shall answer you. For the work of your hands you will have a yearning."(Job 14:15) Hence, the person of Job ("I myself shall answer you"), will be resurrected with new body, not just a "part" and then later the "body". When Jesus resurrected the son of the widow of Nain, he brought back to life the son just as he died, and then "gave him to his mother."(Luke 7:15)

When Jesus resurrect Jairus 12 year old daughter, she just opened her eyes after Jesus told her: "Girl, get up", with the result that "her spirit (her life force just as electricity does for an appliance) returned, and she rose instantly ."(Luke 8:54,55) There was no resurrecting "part" of her and later the "body", but rather the child of Jairus as a person came back to life.

When Jesus resurrected Lazarus, after crying out "Lazarus, come on out", the person of Lazarus came forth, with the wrappings now being taken off of him.(John 11:43,44) Again, there was no resurrecting of a "part" of Lazarus and later the "body", but the person of Lazarus was now alive, just as he was before his sickness.

Hence, during the "thousand year" reign of Jesus Christ, those dead in the "memorial tombs", those in God's memory, will come back to life, following the "first resurrection" of the "holy ones" who are "kings and priests" as immortal spirits.(1 Cor 15:50-55; Rev 20:5, 6)

Only after the destruction of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, greedy commercialism and the "kings of the earth", the political elements, at the battle of Armageddon, will those not chosen for the "heavenly calling" that have died and in God's memory be raised back to life.(Rev 17-20)

 

[francisdesales]

Hi francis

You seem to be very confused within this conversation about scripture alone (sola scriptura).

DEFINE SOLA SCRIPTURA.

Until then, don't tell me how confused I am. You are the one confused, merely by looking at your replies that have nothing to do with sola scriptura...

"Using" Scriptures is not "sola Scriptura...

 

[glorydaz]

Hi glorydaz

What you are doing, is side stepping the actual issue we have been discussing !

You make the spirit of man and the soul the same in one. But this is not a true rendering of the scriptures !

The spirit of man is just that - the spirit of man

The soul is just that - your soul

When you die , the spirit of man goes back to God, who gave it.

When you die, your soul dies and goes to the grave with your body - Psalm 49:15 - "But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave"

Also, I am still waiting for you to explain how from the scriptures, that paradise is the sheol, and that this is where your soul goes and that this is where the Lord and the soul reside in sheol, and that sheol is paradise.

No, I'm saying man has a body, soul, and spirit.
The body is just the tent in which the soul and spirit of man resides.
You think the soul of man is just the breath of life, but the breath is the spirit that combines with the body to make the soul. You insist man's soul, which is the "self" of man dies, and I claim it remains with the spirit and not the body at the death of the body.

I believe Jesus when He told the thief he would be with Him in Paradise that very day. You claim He says, "I tell you today"..as if he was really saying, someday you will be with me....which fits your personal belief, but doesn't stand up to the rest of scripture you decide to ignore. Luke 16 gives us facts about the afterlife that speak of Abraham's bosom...Jesus called it Paradise. Paul called it Paradise. It's pointless discussing the reason the OT saints had to wait until Jesus came to die on the cross because you don't even think they're saved. Not only that, but you show no signs of listening to anyone else. As long as you're close-minded to all but your own understanding, there is nothing short of the Holy Spirit that will open your eyes.

 

[glorydaz]

If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have been resurrected right after Jesus, these would have preceded those chosen for the heavenly calling. However, this is not so, for those selected as "kings and priests" take part in the "earlier resurrection" (Literally, “out-resurrection.†Greek, e·xa·na´sta·sin) that the apostle Paul spoke of at Philippians 3:11 and called the "first resurrection" at Revelation 20:5.

Resurrection is the raising of the body. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have not had their bodies resurrected yet, but they are with the Lord nonetheless. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. It becomes a question of where the spirit goes at death. The OT saints had to wait until Christ was raised from the dead and then they were raised in spirit to await the resurrection of their bodies at our Lord's second coming.

Where in the Bible is this found, that the "bodies" of the "saints" are raised after their initial "resurrection", that the "body" is raised separately later ? In speaking of the resurrection, Jesus made it clear that the person was brought back to life, that there is no raising of the "body" later. At John 5:28, 29, Jesus does not separate the person into "parts" but says to "not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment."(John 5:28, 29)

When Jesus was resurrected, he was not raised in "parts", whereby his "body" was brought to life later. Rather, he was raised as a spirit, and over the course of 40 days, manifested himself by materializing in a fleshly body, just as the angels did when they approached Lot before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.(Gen 19:1)

When Job was suffering with a malignant boil caused by Satan, he requested that God remember him, saying that "You will call, and I myself shall answer you. For the work of your hands you will have a yearning."(Job 14:15) Hence, the person of Job ("I myself shall answer you"), will be resurrected with new body, not just a "part" and then later the "body". When Jesus resurrected the son of the widow of Nain, he brought back to life the son just as he died, and then "gave him to his mother."(Luke 7:15)

When Jesus resurrect Jairus 12 year old daughter, she just opened her eyes after Jesus told her: "Girl, get up", with the result that "her spirit (her life force just as electricity does for an appliance) returned, and she rose instantly ."(Luke 8:54,55) There was no resurrecting "part" of her and later the "body", but rather the child of Jairus as a person came back to life.

When Jesus resurrected Lazarus, after crying out "Lazarus, come on out", the person of Lazarus came forth, with the wrappings now being taken off of him.(John 11:43,44) Again, there was no resurrecting of a "part" of Lazarus and later the "body", but the person of Lazarus was now alive, just as he was before his sickness.

Hence, during the "thousand year" reign of Jesus Christ, those dead in the "memorial tombs", those in God's memory, will come back to life, following the "first resurrection" of the "holy ones" who are "kings and priests" as immortal spirits.(1 Cor 15:50-55; Rev 20:5, 6)

Only after the destruction of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, greedy commercialism and the "kings of the earth", the political elements, at the battle of Armageddon, will those not chosen for the "heavenly calling" that have died and in God's memory be raised back to life.(Rev 17-20)

You're confusing those who were raised from the dead back to their physical life with those who will be raised during the general resurrection. Those who were raised back to their physical life would still suffer the death of their body....everyone's body will go to the earth except those who will be alive when the Lord returns, and their body will be "changed" at that time. The Lord was the "firstfruit" of those whose body is resurrected. The angels did not have resurrected bodies...angels are able to take on the form of man. Big difference. We will be given "incorruptible, immortal" bodies when the Lord returns. That's what the resurrection is all about.

I'm not sure where you get this "God's memory" from.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi francis

You seem to be very confused within this conversation about scripture alone (sola scriptura).

DEFINE SOLA SCRIPTURA.

Until then, don't tell me how confused I am. You are the one confused, merely by looking at your replies that have nothing to do with sola scriptura...

"Using" Scriptures is not "sola Scriptura...

Hi francis

It seems that you have a view of scripture alone , and I have a different view. However, we may not, so lets discuss this in detail then.

Scripture in and of itself is the Word of God. Christians have Christ in them, the Spirit of truth. This allows God to bring about truth by way of scripture. So when a man of God speaks the truth, the Spirit of truth within that Christian will afirm that truth was spoken. As Paul said, "for those who have ears to hear, let them hear".

But also lets not forget, that those who have Christ in them, the Spirit of truth. They do not need a teacher - for they are anointed - I John 2:27. As John states in his epistle here - verse 21 - "I have not written unto because ye knownot the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth"

Now you might ask as to how they came to know the truth, and that the apostles taught them the truth, and that is how they came to know the truth. If this is how you believe, I would disagree with you.

I believe that you have to have the Spirit of truth, in order that you can hear the truth. Hearing the truth does not bring about truth unto the hearer. Many will not accept the truth when it is spoken. They must have the Spirit of truth in them , in order to acknowledge the truth. Because the truth is already in them, the Spirit of truth.

Paul stated in Corinth. ( I Corinth. 3:5) that they were "ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man" . Paul goes on to say, that he plants and Apollos watered, but God is the one who gave the increase - I Corinth. 3:6. Paul goes on to say in verse 7 , "neither is he that planteth anything , neither he that watereth, but God that gives the increase. Notice how God established this by saying it twice ?

Paul an apostle, can plant the Word, and Apollos can water the Word, but it is only God who gives the increase.

Scripture alone is not just based upon scripture and nothing else. It is based upon the fact that with scripture , truth, God can give the increase. And there is only one way that can happen. You must have the Spirit of truth in you. Without the Spirit of truth, Pauls words would mean absolutely nothing to the hearer. The revealing of truth, first must be spoken in truth, and second, the hearer must have the Spirit of truth in them.

Why Paul was having such a hard time speaking spiritually unto these babes in the Word here in I Corinth. 3, is because they were walking carnally. Walking with their physical eyes and not their spiritual eyes. So Paul could only feed them the milk of the Word, which they did acknowledge. So their eyes were not totally closed, but they were in a sleepy mode.

Bless

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote glorydaz : "No, I'm saying man has a body, soul, and spirit.
The body is just the tent in which the soul and spirit of man resides.
You think the soul of man is just the breath of life, but the breath is the spirit that combines with the body to make the soul. You insist man's soul, which is the "self" of man dies, and I claim it remains with the spirit and not the body at the death of the body."


Hi glorydaz

Would you do me a huge favor ? You say alot, but do not support your comments with scripture ! Don't you think it is about time you do so ?

 

[Sinthesis]

Hi francis

It seems that you have a view of scripture alone , and I have a different view. However, we may not, so lets discuss this in detail then.

Scripture in and of itself is the Word of God. Christians have Christ in them, the Spirit of truth. This allows God to bring about truth by way of scripture. So when a man of God speaks the truth, the Spirit of truth within that Christian will afirm that truth was spoken. As Paul said, "for those who have ears to hear, let them hear".

But also lets not forget, that those who have Christ in them, the Spirit of truth. They do not need a teacher - for they are anointed - I John 2:27. As John states in his epistle here - verse 21 - "I have not written unto because ye knownot the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth"

Now you might ask as to how they came to know the truth, and that the apostles taught them the truth, and that is how they came to know the truth. If this is how you believe, I would disagree with you.

I believe that you have to have the Spirit of truth, in order that you can hear the truth. Hearing the truth does not bring about truth unto the hearer. Many will not accept the truth when it is spoken. They must have the Spirit of truth in them , in order to acknowledge the truth. Because the truth is already in them, the Spirit of truth.

Paul stated in Corinth. ( I Corinth. 3:5) that they were "ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man" . Paul goes on to say, that he plants and Apollos watered, but God is the one who gave the increase - I Corinth. 3:6. Paul goes on to say in verse 7 , "neither is he that planteth anything , neither he that watereth, but God that gives the increase. Notice how God established this by saying it twice ?

Paul an apostle, can plant the Word, and Apollos can water the Word, but it is only God who gives the increase.

Scripture alone is not just based upon scripture and nothing else. It is based upon the fact that with scripture , truth, God can give the increase. And there is only one way that can happen. You must have the Spirit of truth in you. Without the Spirit of truth, Pauls words would mean absolutely nothing to the hearer. The revealing of truth, first must be spoken in truth, and second, the hearer must have the Spirit of truth in them.

Why Paul was having such a hard time speaking spiritually unto these babes in the Word here in I Corinth. 3, is because they were walking carnally. Walking with their physical eyes and not their spiritual eyes. So Paul could only feed them the milk of the Word, which they did acknowledge. So their eyes were not totally closed, but they were in a sleepy mode.

Bless

"Christians have Christ in them, the Spirit of truth."

"those who have Christ in them, the Spirit of truth. They do not need a teacher - for they are anointed"

"I believe that you have to have the Spirit of truth, in order that you can hear the truth."

Wonderful for your ego. I see that you have been anointed to determine truth. Also, you have now posted that anyone who does not agree with you must not have Christ in them, hence is not a Christian. Worse is that you argue only Christians can hear the truth, yet one can't become a Christian without hearing the truth.

"Scripture in and of itself is the Word of God."
"Scripture alone is not just based upon scripture and nothing else."

• And our topic is:

"Erroneous additons to the Word of God !" :rolling

Strange that the original intent of this thread was to show that scripture is, in fact, not true unless filtered through Mysteryman. Tell me, what "spirit of truth" possessed you to so confidently post on Thu Feb 25, 2010 at 8:26 am?

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote from S. "Wonderful for your ego. I see that you have been anointed to determine truth. Also, you have now posted that anyone who does not agree with you must not have Christ in them, hence is not a Christian."

Hi S.

All christians have been anointed, for they have Christ in them. Not at all, many christians walk as babes , only drinking the milk of the Word. Which means that they are unskilled in the scriptures. I never made any reference to whom was and who was not a Christian. You're totally misunderstanding the stance I am taking with my converstaion with francis.

 

[nadab]

You're confusing those who were raised from the dead back to their physical life with those who will be raised during the general resurrection. Those who were raised back to their physical life would still suffer the death of their body....everyone's body will go to the earth except those who will be alive when the Lord returns, and their body will be "changed" at that time. The Lord was the "firstfruit" of those whose body is resurrected. The angels did not have resurrected bodies...angels are able to take on the form of man. Big difference. We will be given "incorruptible, immortal" bodies when the Lord returns. That's what the resurrection is all about.

I'm not sure where you get this "God's memory" from.

What you are saying is no different than the teaching of the churches that the soul is separate from the body, that the soul lives on after the death of the body, that it is immortal. The soul, though, is not immortal, for it is us as a person, with all our desires. Leviticus 5:1 speaks of a "soul" that hears "public cursing" and does not report it, it says that "he must answer for his error."

Leviticus 5:2 speaks of a "soul" that "touches some unclean thing" or at Leviticus 5:4 that "swears to the extent of speaking thoughtlessly" or at Leviticus 7:20, whereby it speaks of a "soul" that "eats the flesh of the communion sacrifice", or "eats blood" so that "soul must be cut off."(Lev 7:27) Hence, the soul can hear, can "swear", can ' touch', can "eat" and "be cut off" or put to death. Ezekiel 18:4 clearly says that "the soul that is sinning—it itself will die."

To further identify the soul as us as a person, Genesis 2:7 says that "God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."(King James Bible, “A living soul [breathing creature].†Hebrew, lene´phesh chai·yah' ) Thus Adam, upon God putting the "breath of life" within him, became, not possessed, a soul. Even the fish of the sea and the land animals are called "living souls".(Gen 1:21, 24; 2:19, “Living soul.†Hebrew, ne´phesh ha·chai·yah´)

The apostle Paul, in quoting from Genesis 2:7 said: " And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."(1Cor 15:45, King James Bible) Just as Jesus was "made a quickening spirit" in order to enter heaven, not possessing one, Adam was "made a living soul", not possessing one. Thus, we are all "living souls", not something separate from the body. This lie was one taught by the Greek philosophers Socrates (470-399 B.C.E) and Plato (428-347 B.C.E.), but its real roots began further back in ancient Babylon.

There are only two resurrections, the "earlier resurrection" at Philippians 3:11, also called the "first resurrection" at Revelation 20:6 for those selected as "kings and priests" (Rev 1:6), as "joint heirs with Christ" (Rom 8:17) and are resurrected as immortal spirits during Jesus invisible "presence"(1 Cor 15:23, 50-55) and the "later" or "general resurrection", the resurrection of those in hades (Greek; or Hebrew, sheol ) or mankind's common grave that are awaiting God's appointed time to be brought back to life during the "thousand year" reign of Christ Jesus.(Rev 20:13)

Due to the inaccurate translation of the King James Bible, the reading of John 5:28, 29 says that Jesus said: "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves (should read "memorial tombs", for Jesus used the Greek word mnemeion, not taphos meaning "graves") shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Hence, Jesus said that those in the "memorial tombs" or in God's memory, "will hear (Jesus) voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment." Those not in God's memory will never be resurrected, but will remain dead, having received the "judgment" of the "second death".(Rev 20:14, 15; 21:8)

That is why Job asked God: "O that in She´ol (mankind's common grave) you would conceal me, that you would keep me secret until your anger turns back, that you would set a time limit for me and remember me !"(Job 14:13)

Job, before his death, knew that he could look forward to God's "time limit" or "appointed time", to being remembered by means of a resurrection from the dead during the "thousand year" reign of Jesus Christ, during which time period the earth will be restored to a paradise for "meek ones", such as Job, to live on forever.(Rev 21:3-5; Ps 37:29)

 

[francisdesales]

DEFINE SOLA SCRIPTURA.

Until then, don't tell me how confused I am. You are the one confused, merely by looking at your replies that have nothing to do with sola scriptura...

"Using" Scriptures is not "sola Scriptura...

Hi francis

It seems that you have a view of scripture alone , and I have a different view. However, we may not, so lets discuss this in detail then.... Ramble omitted for brevity sake...

You still have not defined sola Scriptura. How can we continue if you have no idea what the word means??? Why is it so difficult to type what it means?

 

[Mysteryman]

DEFINE SOLA SCRIPTURA.

Until then, don't tell me how confused I am. You are the one confused, merely by looking at your replies that have nothing to do with sola scriptura...

"Using" Scriptures is not "sola Scriptura...

Hi francis

It seems that you have a view of scripture alone , and I have a different view. However, we may not, so lets discuss this in detail then.... Ramble omitted for brevity sake...

You still have not defined sola Scriptura. How can we continue if you have no idea what the word means??? Why is it so difficult to type what it means?

Hi francis

Apparently my definition fell on deaf ears. What I gave you is what you are going to get. So I suggest you re-read what you think is rambling on my part. I gave you my two cents, but if you think you are going to get a nickle out of me, forget it. That would be highway robbery ! :rolling

 

[francisdesales]

You still have not defined sola Scriptura. How can we continue if you have no idea what the word means??? Why is it so difficult to type what it means?

Hi francis

Apparently my definition fell on deaf ears. What I gave you is what you are going to get. So I suggest you re-read what you think is rambling on my part. I gave you my two cents, but if you think you are going to get a nickle out of me, forget it. That would be highway robbery ! :rolling

What defintion? I read it and read it again... Sadly, I'll never get those wasted two minutes back again...

There is no definition, just some thoughts on scripture alone that speaks about a person knowing the "truth", the Bible, apparently, by the Holy Spirit. This is not sola scriptura.

 

[jasoncran]

good lord i have never seen a person complicate the bible like you. this coming from a person who used to believe that the bible was incomplete.

how did I come to believe that the bible is the way its meant to be. by prayer and the Lord showing me.

Do I know all there is to know about the bible, no.

I think that the Lord is most able to use men to write down what wants to stay and keep it the way he wants it to be.

let me guess you are a kjv only.

 

[Mysteryman]

good lord i have never seen a person complicate the bible like you. this coming from a person who used to believe that the bible was incomplete.

how did I come to believe that the bible is the way its meant to be. by prayer and the Lord showing me.

Do I know all there is to know about the bible, no.

I think that the Lord is most able to use men to write down what wants to stay and keep it the way he wants it to be.

let me guess you are a kjv only.

Hi Jason

I actually have a love - hate , relationship with my kjv. It is my translation of choice, yes.

Apparently not. If the good Lord wanted to preserve his written Word 100 % then no man would even dare touch it. It would have the same consequence of going into the holy of holies and not be a high priest of God. You would just die !

Men have for centuries put their dirty paws on the holy writ, and have altered it in many ways. Adding to it, taking away from it, and changing it whenever and whereever they can get away with it. This is the reason I started this thread. Many just overlook the erroneous changes without even giving it a second thought. Some believe that Jesus had a "brother" , because they read the word "brother" in their translation. When in fact, this word should have been translated "brethren" not "brother". In fact, you can see this erroneous mistranslation right in the same translation using two gospel verses that are saying the exact same thing. One place it was translated "brother" and the other it was translated "brethren".

Isn't it about time we wake up ?

 

[francisdesales]

....One place it was translated "brother" and the other it was translated "brethren".

 

[Mysteryman]

....One place it was translated "brother" and the other it was translated "brethren".

LOL ---- Speechless ? :rolling

 

[Mysteryman]

The two verses that interchange the word - "brethren" - "brother" talking about the same group of people.

Matthew 13:55 - "brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas"

Mark 6:3 - "the "brother" of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon"

Both taken from the KJV