Erroneous additons to the Word of God !

[Free]

It is not difficult at all. The Word of God is a mirror image of itself. Thus, everything within the Word of God is established. Matthew 27:52 & 53 is not established anywhere within scripture, thus it was added by man .

No, that doesn't have to be the case at all.

The elders in the church "do" serve the younger ! As in service. Just like those who eat the meat of the Word, are to help the babes in the Word who only drink the milk of the Word. < The principle never changes.

In the Church, people use their gifts to serve others, whether it is the elders serving the young or the young serving the elders. You have absolutely failed to support your assertions thus far. And once again you have not engaged the text.

 

[glorydaz]

IF the graves opened up as these two verses allude too. Then we must find this occurance somewhere else within scirpture confirming it. I , for one, have not found any reference(s) substanctiating that these two verses of having any validity of the claims that are made within these two verses.

True, you have not found any....doesn't mean they aren't there, however.

This was presented and you deny it.
Who else would fit this.....?

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

I'll answer it for you...those holy saints Matthew spoke of. And you can bet they sang forth His praises to all the Jews who had seen the graves opened. :yes

 

[Mysteryman]

IF the graves opened up as these two verses allude too. Then we must find this occurance somewhere else within scirpture confirming it. I , for one, have not found any reference(s) substanctiating that these two verses of having any validity of the claims that are made within these two verses.

True, you have not found any....doesn't mean they aren't there, however.

This was presented and you deny it.
Who else would fit this.....?

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

I'll answer it for you...those holy saints Matthew spoke of. And you can bet they sang forth His praises to all the Jews who had seen the graves opened. :yes

Hi daz

The reason I do not believe that Isaiah 26:19 does not line up with Matt. 27:52 & 53 is because it lacks the information needed.

If Isaiah 26:19 if taken at face value, for what it says in this verse. Then everyone would rise from the dead. Not just a few or handful. Plus, there is no reference of them going into the holy city. Plus Peter makes reference to the grave of King David in Acts 2:29 that David is dead and his sepulchre is still with us.

There is way too much evidence against your assumption that Isaiah 26:19 is talking about Matt. 27:52 & 53. ! One should never (which btw includes myself < guilty as charged) try and make something fit where it does not fit.

There have been people raised from the dead. But they always hold reference to something else. For instance, Jesus said that he was the resurrection and the life. Calling out Lazarus was for an example of this.

Also , let us not forget what I said before. These two verses are out of proper sequence. Why would anyone put these two verses just right after his death, and not around the time of his resurrection ? When Mary came to the grave and when his disciples came to see Jesus, and any time during the 40 days he was here on earth before his ascention. Absolutely nothing is mentioned about the graves opening up and people coming out of the graves. Wouldn't you think that this would be a huge event that would be talked about ? Wouldn't the disciples make at least one reference of the graves opening up and people coming back to life after the resurrection of our Lord ? Yet, we find no such references whatsoever anywhere of this event happening. Nor, no mention of it during the time that it was suppose to have happened. Nor, no references in the OT prophets, of it happening. There is just not enough scriptural evidence to support Matt. 27:52 & 53 ! !

The reason --- Additions by man/men

I will tell you what I think Isaiah 26:19 is talking about. There are two resurrections within the Word of God . 1. Mortal shall put on immortality 2. Corruption shall put on incorruption

Isaiah 26:19 is an example of when Jesus rose from the dead in his incorruptible body, which is an example of the future , "when" those who are not Christians, will all be raised in their incorruptible bodies. Everyone is going to be raised from the dead, and this record in Isaiah is talking about those who will be raised incorruptible. And some will go unto eternal life, and some unto eternal damnation.

IN Christ - MM

 

[Mysteryman]

Sinthesis

One thing we all can count on when it comes to God and His Word. Is that God is a God that changes not.

Thus his principles never change. When Paul said in Romans 9:12 that the elder shall serve the younger , will hold true throughout the Word of God. The same is said, "the first shall be last and the last first".

There are priciples within the Word of God and there are mysteries. When we read the scriptures, we must understand these principles and mysteries, and that they never change throughout the Word.

IN Christ - MM

 

[Mysteryman]

Well, its time to reveal another erroneous additon to our bibles.

There is no such word as "Today" in the Word of God !

In our bible translations however, we see and read the word - > To day

This should never have been translated in this way. The word tomorrow in the Word is accurate. But there is no such word as "To day" !

The proper wording should be - "in this day" or "in that day"

When Jesus told the thief on the cross - "To day" thou shalt be with me in paradise. It should have been translated - "In that day" thou shalt be with me in paradise" < Meaning - Future.

IN Christ - MM

 

[glorydaz]

Well, its time to reveal another erroneous additon to our bibles.

There is no such word as "Today" in the Word of God !

In our bible translations however, we see and read the word - > To day

This should never have been translated in this way. The word tomorrow in the Word is accurate. But there is no such word as "To day" !

The proper wording should be - "in this day" or "in that day"

When Jesus told the thief on the cross - "To day" thou shalt be with me in paradise. It should have been translated - "In that day" thou shalt be with me in paradise" < Meaning - Future.

IN Christ - MM

You need to recheck your greek...

semeron -this (very) day)
what has happened today

Translated Words
KJV (41) - this + (3588), 1; this day, 22; to day, 18;

 

[Mysteryman]

Well, its time to reveal another erroneous additon to our bibles.

There is no such word as "Today" in the Word of God !

In our bible translations however, we see and read the word - > To day

This should never have been translated in this way. The word tomorrow in the Word is accurate. But there is no such word as "To day" !

The proper wording should be - "in this day" or "in that day"

When Jesus told the thief on the cross - "To day" thou shalt be with me in paradise. It should have been translated - "In that day" thou shalt be with me in paradise" < Meaning - Future.

IN Christ - MM

You need to recheck your greek...

semeron -this (very) day)
what has happened today

Translated Words
KJV (41) - this + (3588), 1; this day, 22; to day, 18;

Hi

It means , in the day he enters into his kingdom. It most definitely was not that paticular day, the day of the crucifixion.

I know how to check the greek, that is never a problem. But thanks for pointing this out.

 

[glorydaz]

Hi

It means , in the day he enters into his kingdom. It most definitely was not that paticular day, the day of the crucifixion.

I know how to check the greek, that is never a problem. But thanks for pointing this out.

Actually, it was that particular day.

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

These lower parts of the earth where he preached unto the spirits in prison speak of Sheol/Hades (Paradise). The thief went to Paradise at his death to await the resurrection.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Sheol in Hebrew...Hades in Greek.

For Thou dost not leave my soul to Sheol, Nor givest thy saintly one to see corruption.

Acts 2:27...because Thou wilt not leave my soul to hades, nor wilt Thou give Thy Kind One to see corruption;

Acts 2:31....having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again of the Christ, that his soul was not left to hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote glorydaz: "These lower parts of the earth where he preached unto the spirits in prison speak of Sheol/Hades (Paradise). The thief went to Paradise at his death to await the resurrection."

Hi daz

Well, this is not how I see it. Paradise is future, not the grave . The soul does go to the grave, because when the body dies, the soul dies as well.

In my understanding, The thief is waiting for his resurrection, but he is dead, and paradise is future.

Also my understanding, is that Jesus did not preach unto the spirits in prison. This is just another one of those erroneous additions of men.

Again, there are no other references within the Word, that the prophets spoke of him, that he would go to the spirits in prision and preach to them. I fully understand, that many people can not accept the fact that the adversary of God will try by any means to deceive. And additions to the scriptures being one of those many ways. But my belief and understanding, is that God did not protect His written Word in this way. He protected His word by way of the Spirit of truth that God now dwells in us. For we are the temple of God , which equals in understanding, we are the truth , and the truth is in us, by way of the Spirit of truth.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[glorydaz]

Quote glorydaz: "These lower parts of the earth where he preached unto the spirits in prison speak of Sheol/Hades (Paradise). The thief went to Paradise at his death to await the resurrection."

Hi daz

Well, this is not how I see it. Paradise is future, not the grave . The soul does go to the grave, because when the body dies, the soul dies as well.

In my understanding, The thief is waiting for his resurrection, but he is dead, and paradise is future.

Also my understanding, is that Jesus did not preach unto the spirits in prison. This is just another one of those erroneous additions of men.

Again, there are no other references within the Word, that the prophets spoke of him, that he would go to the spirits in prision and preach to them. I fully understand, that many people can not accept the fact that the adversary of God will try by any means to deceive. And additions to the scriptures being one of those many ways. But my belief and understanding, is that God did not protect His written Word in this way. He protected His word by way of the Spirit of truth that God now dwells in us. For we are the temple of God , which equals in understanding, we are the truth , and the truth is in us, by way of the Spirit of truth.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

Hmmm...I just gave you scripture. You deny those?

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote glorydaz: "These lower parts of the earth where he preached unto the spirits in prison speak of Sheol/Hades (Paradise). The thief went to Paradise at his death to await the resurrection."

Hi daz

Well, this is not how I see it. Paradise is future, not the grave . The soul does go to the grave, because when the body dies, the soul dies as well.

In my understanding, The thief is waiting for his resurrection, but he is dead, and paradise is future.

Also my understanding, is that Jesus did not preach unto the spirits in prison. This is just another one of those erroneous additions of men.

Again, there are no other references within the Word, that the prophets spoke of him, that he would go to the spirits in prision and preach to them. I fully understand, that many people can not accept the fact that the adversary of God will try by any means to deceive. And additions to the scriptures being one of those many ways. But my belief and understanding, is that God did not protect His written Word in this way. He protected His word by way of the Spirit of truth that God now dwells in us. For we are the temple of God , which equals in understanding, we are the truth , and the truth is in us, by way of the Spirit of truth.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

Hmmm...I just gave you scripture. You deny those?

You believe you gave me scripture, but you didn't. The scripture that speaks about God His Father , not leaving his soul in the grave is true. He did not see corruption, and God didn't leave his soul in the grave.

However, what you claim is scripture pertaining to Jesus going down to the spirits in prison and preaching to them is not holy scripture. They are additions by men. There is nothing holy about them whatsoever !

I believe holy scripture. But I do not believe unholy additions to the holy scriptures .

On top of that, you didn't quote any scripture showing any of us, that the grave is paradise. There is good reason for this. There are no scriptures that make such a claim that the grave is paradise.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[glorydaz]

You believe you gave me scripture, but you didn't. The scripture that speaks about God His Father , not leaving his soul in the grave is true. He did not see corruption, and God didn't leave his soul in the grave.

However, what you claim is scripture pertaining to Jesus going down to the spirits in prison and preaching to them is not holy scripture. They are additions by men. There is nothing holy about them whatsoever !

I believe holy scripture. But I do not believe unholy additions to the holy scriptures .

On top of that, you didn't quote any scripture showing any of us, that the grave is paradise. There is good reason for this. There are no scriptures that make such a claim that the grave is paradise.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

That's because you think the grave is nothing.
You need to study up on hades, sheol, abraham's bosom, paradise and the grave.

There is plenty of scripture available, but if your mind-set is to dismiss them as additions by men then there's no point in discussing them.

 

[Mysteryman]

You believe you gave me scripture, but you didn't. The scripture that speaks about God His Father , not leaving his soul in the grave is true. He did not see corruption, and God didn't leave his soul in the grave.

However, what you claim is scripture pertaining to Jesus going down to the spirits in prison and preaching to them is not holy scripture. They are additions by men. There is nothing holy about them whatsoever !

I believe holy scripture. But I do not believe unholy additions to the holy scriptures .

On top of that, you didn't quote any scripture showing any of us, that the grave is paradise. There is good reason for this. There are no scriptures that make such a claim that the grave is paradise.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

That's because you think the grave is nothing.
You need to study up on hades, sheol, abraham's bosom, paradise and the grave.

There is plenty of scripture available, but if your mind-set is to dismiss them as additions by men then there's no point in discussing them.

Hi glorydaz

My mind is always willing to listen to whatever anyone wants to share with me. I have not dismissed anything that I know of. I have studied all these points that you bring up. I understand what it says in the scriptures pertaining to Abraham's bosom. And I also have studied the word paradise up and down and sideways. However, if you have seen something that I have not. I am always willing to listen. But from my studies, paradise is only future. And paradise is never associated with the grave.

And I have yet to find any prophecy of when Jesus is going to preach to those in prison, after he has died , and is dead for three days and three nights.

Who did Jonah witness too, during his three days and three nights while he was in the whale ? < Was not this the "sign" that Jesus talked about ? Notice, that there is no mention of while Jonah was in the belly of the whale, did he witness to anyone that was in prison. And I have not found any other prophesies that would even come close to the prophets prophecying of this event.

Maybe you can share what it is that you believe lines up with this event , showing the words of the prophets from the OT that would lead you to believe this ?

IN Christ - MM

 

[glorydaz]

You believe you gave me scripture, but you didn't. The scripture that speaks about God His Father , not leaving his soul in the grave is true. He did not see corruption, and God didn't leave his soul in the grave.

However, what you claim is scripture pertaining to Jesus going down to the spirits in prison and preaching to them is not holy scripture. They are additions by men. There is nothing holy about them whatsoever !

I believe holy scripture. But I do not believe unholy additions to the holy scriptures .

On top of that, you didn't quote any scripture showing any of us, that the grave is paradise. There is good reason for this. There are no scriptures that make such a claim that the grave is paradise.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

That's because you think the grave is nothing.
You need to study up on hades, sheol, abraham's bosom, paradise and the grave.

There is plenty of scripture available, but if your mind-set is to dismiss them as additions by men then there's no point in discussing them.

Hi glorydaz

My mind is always willing to listen to whatever anyone wants to share with me. I have not dismissed anything that I know of. I have studied all these points that you bring up. I understand what it says in the scriptures pertaining to Abraham's bosom. And I also have studied the word paradise up and down and sideways. However, if you have seen something that I have not. I am always willing to listen. But from my studies, paradise is only future. And paradise is never associated with the grave.

And I have yet to find any prophecy of when Jesus is going to preach to those in prison, after he has died , and is dead for three days and three nights.

Who did Jonah witness too, during his three days and three nights while he was in the whale ? < Was not this the "sign" that Jesus talked about ? Notice, that there is no mention of while Jonah was in the belly of the whale, did he witness to anyone that was in prison. And I have not found any other prophesies that would even come close to the prophets prophecying of this event.

Maybe you can share what it is that you believe lines up with this event , showing the words of the prophets from the OT that would lead you to believe this ?

IN Christ - MM

I appreciate your being open, but before I do that...why don't you check out this site that has a lot of information on Sheol/Hades. If you don't see what I'm talking about from this, you probably won't give any credence to any scriptures I can share. http://www.layhands.com/DidJesusGoToHellAfterHeDied.htm

Jesus gave us the best example...He wasn't making up this story.
It's a picture of the place of waiting for those who have died. Hell here is really hades.

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi glorydaz

When we look at the Word of God, we need to understand the spiritual meaning behind what is being said.

Being in the bosom of Abraham and this parable , is a spiritual insight. This is talking about one who is from within paradise. And looking at the one who is in the second death. The one in hell, which is the grave, which is the second death. And in the parable, Lazarus received evil in this world, and the rich man received the good things in life. The rich man did not help Lazarus when it was available for him to help Lazarus . The poor man Lazarus died, and was carried into the bosom of Abraham. This is a place of waiting. < This is 'NOT' paradise ! The place of waiting is in the promise of the Father. In this case -> Father Abraham. When we die, we are dead. But by faith, the faith of our father Abraham, we wait for the promise of the Father (God) , who will raise us from the dead. The promise of being raised from the dead, by faith, is the bosom of Abraham. The rich man dies, but does not have the promise of our father Abraham, because he did not see afar off. Which means that he lacked faith. He lacked the faith of Abraham. Lazarus had the faith of Abraham, but the rich man did not. Lazarus will be comforted, and the rich man will not receive comfort.

However, there is an escape from our death here on this earth. That is through the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because we have the faith of Abraham, we will be raised from the dead . When we die, we go to the grave. Our body and soul dies ! But we have the promise of God , that he will raise us from the dead. Thus we have the faith of Abraham. And because of our faith, we are in the bosom of Abraham. Waiting for the promise of God, yet we are still dead and in the grave.

We who have faith, are born, and born again. Death has no reign upon us because of the promise of the Father - God .

The rich man died, and his death is unto death - the second death.

Paradise is future ! We see things afar off, based upon the promises of God, and our faith in God, that that which he has promised, he is also willing and capable of bringing those things he promised to pass.

When we die, our body and soul dies ! We now wait for the promises of God.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[glorydaz]

MM,

Luke 16 isn't a parable.

Man is a triune being...body, soul, and spirit.
The body dies, but the soul and spirit live on.
Here we see the soul returning to the body.

And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.

Absent with the body...present with the Lord.

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

The flesh is the only part of man left behind in the grave.

For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

And what about Moses appearing on the Mount of Transfiguration?
What about the souls under the altar?

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And, of course, hell here is not the grave, but hades...the place where the souls wait.
Their bodies are in the grave.

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi glorydaz

This is one of the greates lies that the adversary has gotten away with. That your soul does not die when your body dies.

"hades" is the grave !
"sheol" is the grave !

When you die, your body "and" soul go to the grave !

The lie from the serpent, was this > "ye shall not surely die"

The parable of Abraham and Lazarus in his bosom "is" a parable !

Psalm 30:3 - "thou hast brought up my soul from the grave" < When resurrected from the dead

Psalm 33:19 - "To deliver their soul from death"

The soul is breath life, and once you stop breathing you die . And your soul goes to the grave with your body. Soul is also remembrance. This is why the soul dies when the body dies. Psalm 6:5 - "For in death there is no remembrance"

Psalm 44:25 - "For our soul is bowed down to the dust : our belly cleave unto the earth"

Psalm 49:15 - "But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave"

When anyone was raised from the dead, God refreshed or restored their soul back to them. But the soul goes to the grave with your body when you die !

Psalm 56:13 - "For thou hast delivered my soul from death"

The spirit of man goes back to God who gave it. The spirit of man is what seperates us from animals. The spirit of man are the God like attributes. Laughing , crying, weary, reasoning, anger, love, hate, fear/reverance etc. etc. The apostle Paul used this word "fear" in a spiritual sense in II Corinth. 11:3 - "I "fear" , lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ"

This spirit, is not "you" ! It is a tool. It allows God to help us understand things in relationship to him. We laugh and our hearts are lightened. Well, God laughs as well - > Psalm 2:4 -- Psalm 37:17 -"The Lord shall laugh at him"

The Lord Jesus cried.

These are spiritual reasonings. When a loved one dies, we are saddened, and most people need to cry. Some more than others. By crying, it is a way of release. Laughing works in the same way.

All of mankind receives the "spirit of man". This is why spirit can communicate with spirit. This is a two way road. God can communicate with our spirit, the spirit of man, and so can the adversary. In the garden, the woman did not hear with her physical ears the words being spoken by the serpent. She heard words spoken to her by way of her spirit. The same holds true when God talked to Adam and Even. And this is true when God talked to the serpent. The serpent was spirit (the devil - Satan) and spirit talks to spirit.

Christians have another spirit other than the spirit of man. We have the Spirit of Christ in us. This Spirit , is the Spirit that God gave us. For we have not received the Spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind. When we die, this Spirit stays with us, and does not go back to God. This is why we are a part of the resurrection of "Mortal" putting on Immortality. All others are of the resurrection of corruption putting on incorruption.

When you die, or anyone dies, their body and soul dies as well. The faith of Abraham is the faith that what God has promised, he will bring to pass. He will not leave our souls in the grave. And Jesus was the same. When Jesus died, his soul died. His Spirit slept. Likewise is the same for a believer.

But Abraham and King David were not believers, and do not have Christ in them. They await their resurrection from corruption unto incorruption. The spirit of man is not returned unto them ever again. And neither is the spirit of man returned unto Christians either ! But the soul is returned from the dead. Christians will have a body fashioned like unto the Lord's body. Non Christians will be raised incorruptible. Christians will have a spiritual body - Immortal body.

Paradise is far off. It is that part of the New Earth, which is future. The Word of God is written from Paradise unto Paradise. We are inbetween the first paradise and the last paradise. These are the promises of God, that our soul will not remain in the grave. But , that is where everyone's soul is who has died. Except Christ , the first fruits from the dead. He was raised, body , soul, and Spirit.

The truth is, when you die - Your body and your soul are dead ! !

Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[Free]

When you die, or anyone dies, their body and soul dies as well.
....
The truth is, when you die - Your body and your soul are dead ! !

Matt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

 

[chestertonrules]

Hi glorydaz

This is one of the greates lies that the adversary has gotten away with. That your soul does not die when your body dies.

How do you explain this? In Heb 11, the acts and faith of the Old Testament saints are described. It ends like this:

Heb 11
39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

Then Heb 12 starts like this:
1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

How can these Old Testament men and women of God be dead if they are able to witness our actions on earth?

Also:

Mark 12
26Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’d? 27He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!â€

 

[Mysteryman]

When you die, or anyone dies, their body and soul dies as well.
....
The truth is, when you die - Your body and your soul are dead ! !

Matt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

Hi Free

I have notice when conversing with you, that you are a surface reader. Do you have any idea what it means here in Matt. 10:28 ?

Matt. 10:28 is talking about those who can kill you. It is not talking about those who die. For all die, whether or not someone kills you or you die of old age. We all die.

The person who can kill you can not kill the soul < this is what it means ! The soul still dies when you die.

The context of Matt. 10:28 is dealing with fearing those who can destroy both soul and body. This happens before you die. If they kill your body, your soul will live again. But if they destroy your body and soul before you die. Both your body and soul will end up in eternal death. Remember this, "What is it to gain the whole world and loose your own soul" ? You are responsible for your soul. They can kill your body, but only you can cause your soul to die unto eternal death.

Bless - IN Christ - MM