Erroneous additons to the Word of God !

[Free]

Matt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

I have notice when conversing with you, that you are a surface reader.

And I've noticed that you have not provided support for any of your arguments. You just ignore people's arguments and move on to something else.

Matt. 10:28 is talking about those who can kill you. It is not talking about those who die. For all die, whether or not someone kills you or you die of old age. We all die.

The person who can kill you can not kill the soul < this is what it means ! The soul still dies when you die.

The context of Matt. 10:28 is dealing with fearing those who can destroy both soul and body. This happens before you die. If they kill your body, your soul will live again. But if they destroy your body and soul before you die. Both your body and soul will end up in eternal death. Remember this, "What is it to gain the whole world and loose your own soul" ? You are responsible for your soul. They can kill your body, but only you can cause your soul to die unto eternal death.

A plain reading of the text clearly shows that men can kill the body but not the soul, only God can. That is what it is saying.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi glorydaz

This is one of the greates lies that the adversary has gotten away with. That your soul does not die when your body dies.

How do you explain this? In Heb 11, the acts and faith of the Old Testament saints are described. It ends like this:

Heb 11
39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

Then Heb 12 starts like this:
1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

How can these Old Testament men and women of God be dead if they are able to witness our actions on earth?

Also:

Mark 12
26Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’d? 27He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!â€

Hi

Its all future ! They saw afar off. Hebrews 11:13

Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[chestertonrules]

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Hi

Its all future ! They saw afar off. Hebrews 11:13

Bless - IN Christ - MM

No it is not. WE are surrounded by cloud of witnesses. Right now. There is joy in heaven when one sinner repents!

Also, Jesus said clearly that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are living, not dead, not to mention the fact that Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus. God is the God of the living, not the dead.



Where did you get this strange notion?

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Free: "A plain reading of the text clearly shows that men can kill the body but not the soul, only God can. That is what it is saying."

Hi Free

That is "NOT" what it is saying ! You are responsible for your own soul. This verse is saying that man can kill you, but not your soul. This is because of your responsibility. God does not kill your soul ! You do ! By allowing your soul to be corrupted . Cain murdered his brother Abel. And if you go back and read the book of Genesis , you will find that it was his soul that he killed, when he killed his brother Abel. And we can correctly and fully understand this, by reading what it says in the latter epistle of Peter, and in I John and the book of Jude -- >

I Peter 1:22 - "Seeing you have purified your souls in obeying the truth"

Now concerning Cain - >

I John 3:12 - "Not as Cain who was of the wicked one, and slew his brother" < This is a verse which shows that another can destroy the soul.

I John 3:15 - "no murderer hath any eternal life abiding in them"

Jude 11 - "Woe unto them ! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Your soul is your own responsibility. God does not kill your soul, you do !

Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi glorydaz:

I want to handle this verse now -> 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 wrote:
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

This is a spiritual statment, and must be understood in the spiritual light.

The question is, what body ? Your physical body ? Or is it talking about the body of Christ ?

The answer is, it is talking about the body of Christ, and not your body.

We now , the body of Christ, are absent from the Lord. Our head is in heaven , and his body is here on the earth. When the two become one, then we will be absent from the body of Christ. That is because we will then fully become "born again". This is when we will receive our spiritual bodies , and have a body fashioned like his body. The body of Christ is a virgin (pure), and it is pregnant, just like Mary was. We are now in the body of Christ. Once Christ comes back to gather up the church, we then will no longer be "IN" the body. We will be "born again" and are given spiritual bodies. And ever will we be with the Lord.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[Free]

Quote Free: "A plain reading of the text clearly shows that men can kill the body but not the soul, only God can. That is what it is saying."

That is "NOT" what it is saying ! You are responsible for your on soul. This verse is saying that man can kill you, but not your soul.

Exactly. That is what I said.

God does not kill your soul !

I never said he did and neither did Jesus. Once again you are reading things into the text instead of letting the text speak for itself. All to common in your arguments.

Now concerning Cain - >

I John 3:12 - "Not as Cain who was of the wicked one, and slew his brother" < This is a verse which shows that another can destroy the soul.

And that directly contradicts what Jesus said.

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Free: "A plain reading of the text clearly shows that men can kill the body but not the soul, only God can. " < Your words Free

Hi Free

You now you deny in your latest post, that you said that God can kill the soul. So what did you mean by this statement above ?

It clealy states in your own words, that God can kill the soul.

So maybe you can clarify for me please ?

 

[Free]

Quote Free: "A plain reading of the text clearly shows that men can kill the body but not the soul, only God can. " < Your words Free

Hi Free

You now you deny in your latest post, that you said that God can kill the soul. So what did you mean by this statement above ?

It clealy states in your own words, that God can kill the soul.

So maybe you can clarify for me please ?

I said, or rather Jesus said, that God "can destroy both soul and body in hell," that is, he is able to kill the soul. I did not say, as you argued, that God does in fact kill the soul--"God does not kill your soul !"

Do you deny the words of Jesus?

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Free: "A plain reading of the text clearly shows that men can kill the body but not the soul, only God can. " < Your words Free

Hi Free

You now you deny in your latest post, that you said that God can kill the soul. So what did you mean by this statement above ?

It clealy states in your own words, that God can kill the soul.

So maybe you can clarify for me please ?

I said, or rather Jesus said, that God "can destroy both soul and body in hell," that is, he is able to kill the soul. I did not say, as you argued, that God does in fact kill the soul--"God does not kill your soul !"

Do you deny the words of Jesus?

Hi Free

I know that God will destroy the soul that is full of pride. Maybe a reading of James chaper 4 will enlighten.

The fact remains, you are responsible for your won soul.

 

[Mysteryman]

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Hi

Its all future ! They saw afar off. Hebrews 11:13

Bless - IN Christ - MM

No it is not. WE are surrounded by cloud of witnesses. Right now. There is joy in heaven when one sinner repents!

Also, Jesus said clearly that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are living, not dead, not to mention the fact that Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus. God is the God of the living, not the dead.



Where did you get this strange notion?

Hi

Yes, God is a God of the living and not the dead. But all these whom you have mentioned are dead, awaiting their resurrection from the dead. Only Jesus has been raised from the dead. Every one else needs to wait for their paticular resurrection , which is still future. Even David, a man after God's own heart, is still dead. Peter mentions this in Acts 2:25 - 34 - "For David is not ascended into the heavens : but saith to himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right side"

Until When ? Verse 35 - "Until I make thy foes thy footstool"

Still future !

Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[Free]

I know that God will destroy the soul that is full of pride. Maybe a reading of James chaper 4 will enlighten.

The fact remains, you are responsible for your won soul.

Once again you are completely failing to address the arguments and go in a roundabout way through Scripture to prove some unrelated point.

Matt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

A couple of things to note:

1) Men can "kill the body but cannot kill the soul."
2) God alone has the ability to "destroy both soul and body."

I strongly suggest you look at the context and read Matthew 10.

 

[Mysteryman]

I know that God will destroy the soul that is full of pride. Maybe a reading of James chaper 4 will enlighten.

The fact remains, you are responsible for your won soul.

Once again you are completely failing to address the arguments and go in a roundabout way through Scripture to prove some unrelated point.

Matt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

A couple of things to note:

1) Men can "kill the body but cannot kill the soul."
2) God alone has the ability to "destroy both soul and body."

I strongly suggest you look at the context and read Matthew 10.

Hi Free

Suggestion noted :

But I strongly suggest you read James chapter 4. I am not saying that God can not destroy the soul. I am saying that you are responsible for your soul ! God will only destroy the soul of a pridefull and sinful soul. A soul that has already been destroyed by the owner of that soul.

Freewill given ,is never taken away. Once an individual destroys his own soul, then God willd destroy that body and soul in hell, which is the second death.

Why do you think I brought Cain into the conversation ? A murderer hath no eternal life abiding in them. Gone the way of Cain. Once you have destroyed your own soul, then God will be the final judge and put your soul in the second death. What does it profit to gain the whole world and loose your own soul ?

We are to fear God, in that which he has said, he will bring to pass. We should never second guess God.

And the truth is, that when one dies, their soul goes to the grave with them. Both their body and soul die. And both go into the grave, until one of the two resurrections. And each resurrection has a different judgement. One for the saints, and the other for all those no chosen by God. But God is a righteous judge and will judge righteously.

 

[glorydaz]

Hi glorydaz:

I want to handle this verse now -> 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 wrote:
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

This is a spiritual statment, and must be understood in the spiritual light.

The question is, what body ? Your physical body ? Or is it talking about the body of Christ ?

The answer is, it is talking about the body of Christ, and not your body.

We now , the body of Christ, are absent from the Lord. Our head is in heaven , and his body is here on the earth. When the two become one, then we will be absent from the body of Christ. That is because we will then fully become "born again". This is when we will receive our spiritual bodies , and have a body fashioned like his body. The body of Christ is a virgin (pure), and it is pregnant, just like Mary was. We are now in the body of Christ. Once Christ comes back to gather up the church, we then will no longer be "IN" the body. We will be "born again" and are given spiritual bodies. And ever will we be with the Lord.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

So you deny that man has a body, soul, and spirit.
That we are a triune being made in the image of God?

 

[Sinthesis]

That is "NOT" what it is saying ! You are responsible for your own soul. This verse is saying that man can kill you, but not your soul. This is because of your responsibility.

I John 3:12 - "Not as Cain who was of the wicked one, and slew his brother" < This is a verse which shows that another can destroy the soul.

You have contradicted yourself here. :yes

The person who can kill you can not kill the soul < this is what it means ! The soul still dies when you die.

This statement contradicts itself! :crazy

Your soul is your own responsibility. God does not kill your soul, you do !

So you are saying that Mat 10:28 states one should fear himself rather than God? Quite conceited!

• Mat 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Clearly this is a justification to stand up to those who persecute you, even unto death, for your belief in God. Also, a person can't destroy their own soul any more than they can save it.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi glorydaz:

I want to handle this verse now -> 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 wrote:
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

This is a spiritual statment, and must be understood in the spiritual light.

The question is, what body ? Your physical body ? Or is it talking about the body of Christ ?

The answer is, it is talking about the body of Christ, and not your body.

We now , the body of Christ, are absent from the Lord. Our head is in heaven , and his body is here on the earth. When the two become one, then we will be absent from the body of Christ. That is because we will then fully become "born again". This is when we will receive our spiritual bodies , and have a body fashioned like his body. The body of Christ is a virgin (pure), and it is pregnant, just like Mary was. We are now in the body of Christ. Once Christ comes back to gather up the church, we then will no longer be "IN" the body. We will be "born again" and are given spiritual bodies. And ever will we be with the Lord.

Bless - IN Christ - MM

So you deny that man has a body, soul, and spirit.
That we are a triune being made in the image of God?

Hi glorydaz

I do not deny that man has body , soul, and spirit - I Thess. 5:23 says that we do have all three.

But the spirit mentioned in I Thess. 5:23 is not the spirit of man, it is the Spirit of Christ in us.

All of mankind has body, soul, and spirit < but this spirit, is the spirit of man - Gen 1:26 and Gen. 6:3 < which lines up with Ecc. 5:18

When we die, the spirit of man goes back to God - Ecc. 12:7

The body and the soul go to the grave when you die.

 

[glorydaz]

Hi glorydaz

This is one of the greates lies that the adversary has gotten away with. That your soul does not die when your body dies.

I did want to address this before I forget. I don't see this as a lie from the adversary whether one believes our soul dies, sleeps. or goes to be with the Lord. What can it possibly have to do with our salvation or our walk? I find it more troubling to say there are additions to the Word of God...put there by man. I believe Luke 16, for example, speaks clearly to souls being kept in a place of waiting. The OT saints waited until Jesus was resurrected and now we go directly to be with our Lord. Paul says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. It does not say we wait in the grave or our soul ceases to exist. Our soul is who we are as a person.

Either way...it's no lie from Satan. It's the same with our understanding of heaven. There are some things in the Word of God we cannot know for sure until the Lord comes. We can each give some pretty good arguments, but if our salvation or our walk are not affected then satan has no need to lie about it, does he?

 

[glorydaz]

Hi glorydaz

I do not deny that man has body , soul, and spirit - I Thess. 5:23 says that we do have all three.

But the spirit mentioned in I Thess. 5:23 is not the spirit of man, it is the Spirit of Christ in us.

All of mankind has body, soul, and spirit < but this spirit, is the spirit of man - Gen 1:26 and Gen. 6:3 < which lines up with Ecc. 5:18

When we die, the spirit of man goes back to God - Ecc. 12:7

The body and the soul go to the grave when you die.

No, it isn't Christ's Spirit. His Spirit is in us, but we have our own spirit...both are mentioned in this verse.

Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

It is through our spirit that we commune with God.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[nadab]

Also, Jesus said clearly that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are living, not dead, not to mention the fact that Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus. God is the God of the living, not the dead.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are still awaiting a resurrection from the dead, these having died more than seventeen hundred years before Jesus came to the earth as the Messiah in 29 C.E. In speaking with Nicodemus, Jesus told him that "no man has ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man."(John 3:13) The apostle Paul wrote that "the way into the holy place (is) by the blood of Jesus, which he inaugurated for us as a new and living way through the curtain, that is, his flesh."(Heb 10:19, 20)

Hence, no righteous person had ascended to heaven before Jesus, for he is called the "firstborn from the dead" to heavenly life.(Col 1:18; Rev 1:5) Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, though dead, are seen by God as "all living to him"(Luke 20:38), for these are in God's memory for their future resurrection during the "thousand year" reign of Christ Jesus.(Rev 20:5)

Only after Jesus had shed his blood on the torture stake on Nisan 14, 33 C.E., and was accepted by God (Heb 9:12) fifty days later, on the day of Pentecost, was "the way into the holy place" now open. The "great cloud of witnesses" that Paul spoke of at Hebrews 12:1, though dead, have shown that by their exemplary faith in God, that it is possible to "put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us", the lack of faith and gain God's favor for everlasting life by means of a future resurrection.

And only those selected by God, as those first ones on the day of Pentecost by evidence of the outpouring of the holy spirit (Acts 2:4), and remaining loyal till death (Rev 2:10), could have the opportunity of being resurrected to heaven and fulfilling the privileged assignment of being "kings and priests."(Rev 1:6) Jesus said that "unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."(John 3:3) Peter calls it a "new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."(1 Pet 1:3)

Jesus furthermore told Nicodemus that "unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot see the kingdom of God."(John 3:5) Only through and after Jesus resurrection from the dead would a person who exercised faith in Jesus sacrificial blood have the opportunity to be chosen by God "to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance" (1 Pet 1:4) to serve in heaven as members of the "kingdom of God."(Rev 5:10) These are anointed by God's holy spirit following their baptism in water, being "born from water and spirit" and "heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ."(Rom 8:17)

All "the great cloud of witnesses" that lived and died prior to Jesus cannot be chosen for the "heavenly calling"(Heb 3:1), for only those righteous ones alive from Pentecost onward, could be selected for the 'heavenly calling" by being anointed by God's spirit after their baptism.

Even John the Baptist, who baptised Jesus, was not chosen for the "heavenly calling"(Matt 11:11), for he died (Matt 14:10-12) before the outpouring of God's spirit on Pentecost 33 C.E., upon those in the upper room in Jerusalem, for "the way into the holy place by the blood of Jesus" was only opened then onward. He can look forward to being resurrected and living on a paradise earth. The apostle Paul wrote that a person had to be "counted worthy of the kingdom of God."(2 Thess 1:5) An individual has to qualify for this privilege to be selected by God.

There are five questions that need to be considered concerning heavenly life: (1) How important is the new birth ? (2) Is it up to us to decide to experience the new birth ? (3) What is its purpose ? (4) By what means does it take place ? (5) What change of relationship does it bring about ?

 

[Free]

Once again you are not addressing the arguments and going in a roundabout way through Scripture to prove some unrelated point.

Matt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

A couple of things to note:

1) Men can "kill the body but cannot kill the soul."
2) God alone has the ability to "destroy both soul and body."

I strongly suggest you look at the context and read Matthew 10.

Hi Free

Suggestion noted :

But I strongly suggest you read James chapter 4. I am not saying that God can not destroy the soul. I am saying that you are responsible for your soul ! God will only destroy the soul of a pridefull and sinful soul. A soul that has already been destroyed by the owner of that soul.

Freewill given ,is never taken away. Once an individual destroys his own soul, then God willd destroy that body and soul in hell, which is the second death.

Why do you think I brought Cain into the conversation ? A murderer hath no eternal life abiding in them. Gone the way of Cain. Once you have destroyed your own soul, then God will be the final judge and put your soul in the second death. What does it profit to gain the whole world and loose your own soul ?

We are to fear God, in that which he has said, he will bring to pass. We should never second guess God.

And the truth is, that when one dies, their soul goes to the grave with them. Both their body and soul die. And both go into the grave, until one of the two resurrections. And each resurrection has a different judgement. One for the saints, and the other for all those no chosen by God. But God is a righteous judge and will judge righteously.

Once again you are completely failing to address the arguments and go in a roundabout way through Scripture to prove some unrelated point.

Matt 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (ESV)

A couple of things to note:

1) Men can "kill the body but cannot kill the soul."
2) God alone has the ability to "destroy both soul and body."

I strongly suggest you look at the context and read Matthew 10.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi glorydaz

This is one of the greates lies that the adversary has gotten away with. That your soul does not die when your body dies.

I did want to address this before I forget. I don't see this as a lie from the adversary whether one believes our soul dies, sleeps. or goes to be with the Lord. What can it possibly have to do with our salvation or our walk? I find it more troubling to say there are additions to the Word of God...put there by man. I believe Luke 16, for example, speaks clearly to souls being kept in a place of waiting. The OT saints waited until Jesus was resurrected and now we go directly to be with our Lord. Paul says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. It does not say we wait in the grave or our soul ceases to exist. Our soul is who we are as a person.

Either way...it's no lie from Satan. It's the same with our understanding of heaven. There are some things in the Word of God we cannot know for sure until the Lord comes. We can each give some pretty good arguments, but if our salvation or our walk are not affected then satan has no need to lie about it, does he?

Hi daz

Oh my, I am almost at a loss for words after reading your reply.

Who do you think the author of the lie is ? Of course it is a lie from Satan !

Everything I have pointed out to you, is either truth , or a half truth, or a lie. Of course you need to make up your own mind. And I don't mean that you must believe as I do. I am saying that we must believe what the scriptures are saying.

When you die, your body and soul go to the grave ! ( I have already posted the scriptures and feel no need to repeat myself).

The lie of the adversary is that when you die, you don't really die. This lie seems to play on human emotions. The truth from God unto Adam, was "you shall surely die.

Death has nothing to do with life. Deat is death, and people can't seem to accept this truth. So many people claim that when you die, you don't really die, you just go to a better place. Some say heaven, others say paradise, while yet others say purgatory , and some say they go to sheol, which is just another place of waiting. In all of my studies and understanding, none of these are true, not one.

When we die, we die ! Body and soul go to the grave. The spirit of man goes back to God. The spirit of man is only a tool. This tool is like a telephone. A connection between three points. God towards man, and your spirit, the spirit of man unto your mind (soul). And because it is only a tool, the adversary who is also spirit can tap into this spirit, by communication unto your mind(soul) by way of your telephone (your spirit). We call it wire tapping. :D

We have read that Cain was of that wicked one. We have read that Jesus spoke to those whom he said that they were of their father the devil. This is where we would ask one another, whom does one listen too ? All lies come from the author of the lie, the adversary of God, the devil. He lied to the woman in the garden, and he continues to lie and deceive.

These erroneous additions to our bibles is just one example of how the adversary of God will try by any means to deceive. He wants us to believe his lies. Our faith in God is not, and can not be based upon a lie. We then believe a false premise.

There are some people who believe that some OT people are now in heaven. Which is not true. Some believe that certain people within scripture allows them the right to be with God because of their faithfulness. This is another lie. Only Jesus Christ who came down from heaven , is the only one at this time who has ascended up into heaven. And that is the truth. And I might mention -> As "I" see it.

Truth is in the eyes of the beholder. For some , one's truth is another person lie, and so is it the other way around.

This is why the Word says (Paul) for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Maybe it is you that has eyes to see, and maybe it's me. Every person needs to be persuaded in their own mind.

My eyes tell me, that there are erroneous additons to our bibles. Our bibles are only between 70 - 90 % accurate, depending on which translation you read. In fact, I doubt any translation is 90 % accurate. But maybe close, so I use it as a slide rule.

This is why God gave us the Spirit of truth. So that we can know the truth. If we trust in our bibles totally, then the Spirit of truth has no place in one's life. That is because they trust their bibles, and not the Spirit of truth. Just like the Word tells us, we can not eat at the table of the Lord, and the table of devils. It will be either the one, or the other. The same holds true, that there is only righteousness or it is unrighteousness. There is no inbetween. Just like you can be hot for the Lord or cold, but do not be lukewarm, for he will spew you out of his mouth. When people live in the inbetween within their beliefs, they are living lukewarm.

So we need to decide . We need to make a decision , and cling to that decision, or change.

The word "To day" was added by the translators. It was meant to deceive. If they had translated it properly. They would have translated this dual word, as "in that day". Not this day, because on this day, they went to the grave. And he had not entered his kingdom on this day. That day is future. In that day, he will meet Jesus in paradise.

Bless