I said this:
" Jesus very clearly taught eternal security in
John 10:28 and no one has shown any other meaning of that verse.
The issue of eternal security is clear; those given eternal life shall never perish.
Jn 10:28"
Where have you proven otherwise?
In fact, why hasn't my question about recipients of eternal life ever perishing been answered?
Jesus said: "I give them (that would be recipients) eternal life, and they (that would be recipients of eternal life) shall NEVER PERISH.
But no one is willing to answer my question about recipients of eternal life perishing.
Why? Because that would be tantamount to admitting that they directly disagreed with Jesus' words in John 10:28.
But they still do disagree with Him. By believing that recipients of eterna life CAN perish. Even though He said "shall never perish".
There is nothing in the rest of this long post that changes the exact words that Jesus said about recipients of eternal life; they SHALL NEVER PERISH.
So, there is no reason to believe that any recipient of eternal life CAN perish.
The words "can" and "shall never" are opposites. I will continue to believe what Jesus taught. That recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
"Never" means never. It never means "can".
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
John 3:36 NASB
If you disagree with one of the following points of scripture then please use scripture to say why; written out for all to see with the context, so we can study to words and language of the scripture to see if you are changing it to suit your own agenda.
So far, the verse from John 10:26-28 teach us the following.
Those who hear His voice and obey Him, and know Him, and follow Him faithfully, are His sheep and He will give them eternal life when He comes on that Day.
26 But you
do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
John 10:26-28
The first condition we see to being considered as one of His sheep is believe.
Those who
do not believe are
not His sheep.
Those who believe for a while, then
do not believe, are those who
do not believe.
Believe = Sheep
Do not believe = are not His sheep
Believe means commit, trust obey.
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
John 3:36 NASB
Those who believe on the Lord, and confess Him as Lord, but don't obey Him as Lord, are not His sheep.
- But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?
46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49
Our Master is the one we obey:
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Romans 6:16
- Condition #2 - Hear His voice
My sheep hear My voice.
Jesus said His sheep are those who hear His voice.
Hear means to learn by hearing, understand, to give attention to a teacher or teaching to comprehend; Hearken
Hearken in Hebrew thought means to listen with the intent of obeying.
We find this to be a essential condition for eternal life, as this same John says:
- if we keep His commandments. Obey Him; Do what He says, Believe Him and hearken to what He says.
The essential and biblical definition of eternal life is to
knowing Him.
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:3-4
Which brings us to condition # 3
- Condition # 3 - Know Him - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life.
Relationship; Joined in covenant relationship;
In Hebrew thought this word is used of a union between a man and his wife.
Mary said it this way -
- Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?” Luke 1:34
And this is eternal life, that
they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
John 17:3
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:3-4
The condition or test of knowing Him is: if we obey Him
- Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
- He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar.
in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
- in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God
- and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Key essential elements of eternal life: Knowing Him and Obeying Him.
- Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
Condition # 4 - Follow
Follow means to join as a disciple the one you are following.
Following is the evidence you believe.
This principle is made clear in
John 6, where some disciples left from following Him because they didn't want do what He said, because the didn't understand what He said, and therefore no longer believed in Him
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62
What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and
they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
66 From that
time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
John 6:61-69
Key verse's:
- But there are some of you who do not believe.
- From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.
- Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
- You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Following is the evidence of believing.
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life.
JLB