Je'di-Benjamin
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13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Revelation 16:13-14
The spirits of demons come out of the mouth of the false prophet. So what?
How does that make him a demon?
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chessman
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It's called exegesis of the text. The entire text! The text doesn't say 'They are spirits of demons" it says "FOR they are spirits of demons".
John's interpreting what he saw (frogs coming out of their mouths) for us by his statement, "For they are the spirits of demons...".
His vision was of frogs coming out of the mouths of The Dragon, The Beast and The False Prophet. ThereFOR, they are the spirits of demons is that vision's meaning.
Don't neglect the little word "for" in the text and you'll get it.
Chopper
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Death being separation from God is ONLY for the non-believer in Jesus. Jesus didn't experience that separation from His Father because He was not a non-believer.
Death has two different meanings for two classes of people. For the "lost" it means separation from God for all eternity in the lake of fire.. For the "saved" it means a separation from this world as we know it to live with Jesus in His Kingdom.
In your quote of Rev. 21:4, the last 5 words explain your question; "The former things have passed away.” Death for the Christian won't be active because they are with Jesus, not separated like the lost.
Chopper
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Hi Tim, you know that I love you too, but "death" for the unbeliever is separation from our Heavenly Father and Jesus of Whom they reject, will be separated from them, and be joined to the devil and his partners in evil in the lake of fire. Separated from the Christ of God, Jesus, and joined to Satan.
I said this:
"Let's consider some facts.
1. Rev 19:20 - And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. NASB
a. 2 human beings are "thrown ALIVE" into the lake of fire. They don't suffer physical death."
אבד
’âbad
aw-bad'
A primitive root; properly to wander away, that is lose oneself; by implication to perish (causatively, destroy):—break, destroy(-uction), + not escape, fail, lose, (cause to, make) perish, spend, Xand surely, take, be undone, X utterly, be void of, have no way to flee.
Because of the facts of Rev 19:20 with 20:10 and 15, the word CANNOT mean annihilate. Period.
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] Seems to me your view confuses physical and spiritual death.
"Let's consider some facts.
1. Rev 19:20 - And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. NASB
a. 2 human beings are "thrown ALIVE" into the lake of fire. They don't suffer physical death."
OK, let's do "stop here". Are you actually suggesting that Psa 27:20 refutes the facts I've given from Rev???? I reject that Scripture is contradictory. So, let's instead look at what the word "perish" means from the Hebrew:
אבד
’âbad
aw-bad'
A primitive root; properly to wander away, that is lose oneself; by implication to perish (causatively, destroy):—break, destroy(-uction), + not escape, fail, lose, (cause to, make) perish, spend, Xand surely, take, be undone, X utterly, be void of, have no way to flee.
Because of the facts of Rev 19:20 with 20:10 and 15, the word CANNOT mean annihilate. Period.
How about "wander away", "lose themself", "not escape", "fail", "lose", "be undone", "have no way to flee".
Well, I've never said that they don't suffer physical death. I have no idea where you got that idea from.
Which it does. And it is apparent from your mistaken comment about what you thought I said demonstrates that you really don't know anything about my view.
My view is that with the Biblical exceptions, everyone will suffer physical death. Those who don't have eternal life will be thrown into the lake of fire.
[ToS 2.4.
] Seems to me your view confuses physical and spiritual death.
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They are demon possessed humans. Just as satan enters the beast and entered Judas.
Your signature says "super ex christian". What led to being an 'ex'?
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Pain.
Amazing. That's what led me TO Jesus.
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Yes and its what keeps you there.
How's that work?
chessman
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Can you establish this as a Biblical "fact"? Aren't you just really saying you think they are humans? I'd be willing to accept they're humans if you can establish 1.a as a fact.
In my previous postings, I listed three good reasons why John's vision of The Beast and The False Prophet are meant to be understood as demons. Plus, there's more reasons. But nobody has countered why those three are not valid.
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Sorry willie, im having a mental block trying to think how to artarticulate how that works for you.
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poetofparables
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Yeah.
The spirits of demons that looked like frogs coming out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Because a false prophet has a demon, doesn't mean they are not human.
Of course if you have a scripture that shows a false prophet in the bible is not human, then please do so.
All anyone needs to realize is that the devil was tormented day and night forever, and Jesus sentenced those goats on His left hand to the same punishment.
Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41
Why is it you don't see this very simple foundational truth?
Why would you try to explain this away?
JLB