Ergo, eternal life cannot be removed from eternal salvation because eternal life occurs due to being saved.
Christ's death and resurrection "saved" all of mankind from permanent, physical, death. EVERYBODY, all saints and all sinners, will be raised immortal and incorruptible.(1Cor 15:52ff)
But not everyone gets eternal life. Only those who believe in Jesus (as demonstrated by their obedience to His commandment) will be given eternal life. (Jhn 5:28-29)
Eternal life is not possible without salvation from death
So: One more time:
When Adam sinned and brought sin into the world he also brought death which is the consequence (wage) of sin.
(Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—)
When Jesus bore the sins of the world at His crucifixion and then rose from death to new indestructible life.
All of mankind will be raised from the dead.
(
1Co 15:52-54 i
n a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.*** So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”)
He "saved" all of mankind from death, the consequence of sin.
(1Jo 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.)
(Rom 5:17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
But not all of mankind will be given "eternal life." Some will receive eternal condemnation.
(
John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.)
So, the way I see it is that what is commonly referred to as "salvation: is actually a two part process.
(1) All of mankind is saved from physical death and will be raised from the grave immortal and incorruptible.
(2) only the righteous will receive eternal life.
*** "Immortality" does
NOT equal "eternal life." Those who are condemned have immortality and incorruptibility
but they still suffer eternal death. (aka: the second death)
I think when a forum mandates the very foundation of Christianity
If you're saying that OSAS is the "Very foundation of Christianity" then that is the issue.
There are people on both sides of the issue and we just can't seem to discuss the issue without getting feisty. So far, it has not been shown by the participants that we are able to remain kind, gentle, patient, loving, and sweet toward those demon-possessed heretics who disagree with us
and will burn in hell for it!!!!!:angry
ooops! My bad!
See what I mean?
So, to insure peace in this sandbox, that toy has been taken away and hidden from us.
Oh well.
It was just going in circles anyway.
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Folk wuz agittin dizzy!
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iakov the fool