[_ Old Earth _] Evolution is incompatible with the Bible

[ThinkerMan]

I believe thats where evolution was created,in a pagan religion,
but some people know that while others do not.

Do you celebrate Christmas on Dec 25th? If you do, you're dripping in Paganism as well!

I didn't say that every
one who believes in evolution does everything connected to the pagan
roots of it. I am making the point that,if you are an atheist,why would
you have any belief that was from a religious group,and evolutiion has
been a part of many religions,so why would they do it?

The reason why is because (as shown by everyone here) we FIRMLY believe that their is no paganism in evolution.

Just hypothetically, if evolution was in fact rooted in paganism, it is irrelevant since none of us believe it or use it to justify our positions.

I thought Atheists wanted to be free thinkers,and not follow any kind
of religious views at all. Another shocker is that many of them know
Darwin was a christian! What should that tell everyone?

Irrelevant. If Newton was a Buddhist who like to kill little kids and rape animals, his theories would not be any less true. The strenth of gravity is still (relatively) determined by the mass of two objects, the gravitational constant and the distance between two objects (squared). Still true.

Pythagoras believed in greek gods (what we all now think is pretty loony), however a-squared + b-squared = c-squared.

Yep, his math still works.

Whether Darwin was a Christian or not is irrelevant. I only give a hoot about his theory (which, by the way, has been quite refined since his original ideas).

 

[Guest]

[quote="The Tuatha'anWhy would I be glad to know a Christian like you? Offering up another one of your little Fundie Christian conspiracy theories?[/quote]

:B-fly: When the time comes,the choice will be yours to make if I am still
here. I honestly do not care if you are my friend or not actually. I just
hope you learn the truth. This is not a conspiracy theory,this is fact and
it's no longer hidden from us what the Government has planned for us.
Why not get your facts straight instead of taking your fears out on me?
Look into what the Roman Catholic church is doing and what the Pope
is doing. Also look into what the other churches are up to,o.k?
Atheists do not normally tolerate the religious views of others as
many of them have shown us. The opposite is true for many of them,
not all of them,but many of them,and the New world order won't allow
for any of that.
You don't have to believe in what I say,but when the time comes,you
will owe God an apology.

 

[Sophistress]

:B-fly: When the time comes,the choice will be yours to make if I am still
here. I honestly do not care if you are my friend or not actually. I just
hope you learn the truth. This is not a conspiracy theory,this is fact and
it's no longer hidden from us what the Government has planned for us.
Why not get your facts straight instead of taking your fears out on me?
Look into what the Roman Catholic church is doing and what the Pope
is doing. Also look into what the other churches are up to,o.k?
Atheists do not normally tolerate the religious views of others as
many of them have shown us. The opposite is true for many of them,
not all of them,but many of them,and the New world order won't allow
for any of that.
You don't have to believe in what I say,but when the time comes,you
will owe God an apology.

Sheesho. I'm basically going to copy and paste what I posted in another thread because it seems to fit what you've said like a glove. What you're doing here is using the fear tactics and think that'll win us over, as if we haven't heard it a trillion times before. You don't realise that all you're doing is giving us a solution to a problem you've created yourself. We do not feel we need to be saved from hell because we do not believe in hell. What you have failed to do is prove that the Bible is correct and that we need salvation in the first place. All you have done is make baseless claims which you have failed to back up. Poor effort. F.

Once again I want to reiterate that atheists are not a political group with a personal agenda. Oh, and to say "Atheists do not normally tolerate the religious views of others" is just blatent hypocrisy.

Edited to add the 2nd paragraph.

 

[Guest]

I believe thats where evolution was created,in a pagan religion,
but some people know that while others do not.

Do you celebrate Christmas on Dec 25th? If you do, you're dripping in Paganism as well!

:B-fly: By the way, No I don't. I don't celebrate any of the so called
holidays,and not even the real ones that God made that the bible tells
us about because we are no longer under the old law,or old covenant
in this area.
You know, Math is crazy isn't it? I believe that Einstein was very wise.
Solomon was very wise indeed,but he also strayed from God.
The word of God will always be correct and every man a liar.
we are all limited in what we can know and understand. The man
who knows everything would not live very long because everyone
would be bothering him,and he'd have no rest,but praise God for
being God,amen.!
We are all limited,but even a dummy is considered wise if he
believes in God,amen.
Bible Prophecy comes true,but mans books don't get everything
right,maybe a few things,not all things.
Man has limited inteligence.
I am so Glad it is God who holds the key and that he didn't leave it
up to me!
Man is limited,even the wisest of them all,but God is not.

 

[Sophistress]

Bible Prophecy comes true

Evidence. Please give me some fulfilled Bible Prophecies that exist outside of the Bible, ones that could not have been fabricated in order to push the Christian religion (because there was a lot of competition between different religions 2000 years ago).

 

[Guest]

You don't have to believe in what I say,but when the time comes,you
will owe God an apology.

What you're doing here is using the fear tactics and think that'll win us over, as if we haven't heard it a trillion times before. You don't realise that all you're doing is giving us a solution to a problem you've created yourself. We do not feel we need to be saved from hell because we do not believe in hell. What you have failed to do is prove that the Bible is correct and that we need salvation in the first place. All you have done is make baseless claims which you have failed to back up. Poor effort. F.

:B-fly: Lets back up here! I said when you see that God and his word,
and his son are right,I hope you make the choice to be saved by The
One and only Lord Jesus Christ as opposed to the global religious system.
Notice,I said "WHEN" you see these things for yourself.
There is no fear tactic at all,but at least many of us tried to warn you
so you will be without excuse on judgement day.
I know what you believe in now,I am telling you,when you know the
truth,I hope you choose Jesus.

 

[Guest]

Well, somebody already disputed that religion is growing in America, and to say that religions are growing together is just plain naive. If that's the case then explain Israel and Palestine to me, explain the huge tensions between the Islamic East and the Christian West. Also explain to me why there are so many sects of Christianity, and why the amount of different sects is increasing.

You really don't have a grasp on whats going on,do you?

That's funny coming from you.

:B-fly: No,I find it extremely funny coming from you to be 100% honest.
There are atheists who just admit flat out that they are atheists,and there
are atheists who claim atheism and evolution both. To me that contradicts
your own self!
I have no idea what group you'd be in besides pro-evolution.
Stop claiming that science backs up atheists when it clearly does not.
You have no support from most scientists. Scientists are both religious
and non-religious,and some are in between the two.
Science backs up science,not one group of individuals.
One day someone will make a peace treaty with Israel that does work
at first,and all religions will unite together,they already have been
talking about it,and even the Pope talks about it happening soon.
You'll get your wish alright,and it's not a joke!
Religions uniting together for global peace is going to happen and it's
already beginning to happen now even. There are many religions and occults,sects and many forms of religion,but they will all still worship
as they wish to in the global united religion. None of them will have to
change at all,the one thing they all have in common is their claim to
believe in God!
No way can it be stoped,and Everyone wants world peace and safety
now more than ever!!!" when they cry peace and safety"is already here
so you'll see. Then who will be calling who ugly names?
I don't have to call you any ugly names because I am aware of what
is happening,and I feel sorry for you.

 

[Sophistress]

Firstly, is the multiple posting really necessary?

Lets back up here! I said when you see that God and his word,
and his son are right,I hope you make the choice to be saved by The
One and only Lord Jesus Christ as opposed to the global religious system.
Notice,I said "WHEN" you see these things for yourself.
There is no fear tactic at all,but at least many of us tried to warn you
so you will be without excuse on judgement day.
I know what you believe in now,I am telling you,when you know the
truth,I hope you choose Jesus.

Saying that is trying to play off of my fear as much as you deny it. Before you start warning me of things I don't even believe in, why don't you prove the Bible to be 100% the word of God?

There are atheists who just admit flat out that they are atheists,and there
are atheists who claim atheism and evolution both. To me that contradicts
your own self!
I have no idea what group you'd be in besides pro-evolution.
Stop claiming that science backs up atheists when it clearly does not.
You have no support from most scientists. Scientists are both religious
and non-religious,and some are in between the two.
Science backs up science,not one group of individuals.

I never said that scientists backed up atheists, that is utter nonsense. I find it ironic how suddenly you will openly admit there are also religious people in science - something you were insistently denying but a breath ago. Have I even said at any point that I'm an Evolutionist? Or an Atheist for that matter? Stop making assumptions. You have admitted that science backs up science Great, now back to the topic at hand (a scientific theory lest not we forget) evolution!

One day someone will make a peace treaty with Israel that does work
at first,and all religions will unite together,they already have been
talking about it,and even the Pope talks about it happening soon.
You'll get your wish alright,and it's not a joke!
Religions uniting together for global peace is going to happen and it's
already beginning to happen now even. There are many religions and occults,sects and many forms of religion,but they will all still worship
as they wish to in the global united religion. None of them will have to
change at all,the one thing they all have in common is their claim to
believe in God!
No way can it be stoped,and Everyone wants world peace and safety
now more than ever!!!" when they cry peace and safety"is already here
so you'll see.

Your naivety shows through here. You keep saying all religions will unite together, and then you say none of them will have to change. What on Earth are you talking about? I can barely understand you to be perfectly frank.

Then who will be calling who ugly names?
I don't have to call you any ugly names because I am aware of what
is happening,and I feel sorry for you.

I haven't called anyone an ugly name. Oh, and you need not feel sorry for me.

 

[Guest]

The reason why is because (as shown by everyone here) we FIRMLY believe that their is no paganism in evolution.

Just hypothetically, if evolution was in fact rooted in paganism, it is irrelevant since none of us believe it or use it to justify our positions.

:B-fly: Perhaps you believe that it isn't pagan at all. I know it is.
Research will do alot to help you know that it's pagan.
You may believe you do not use evolution to support your claims,yet
many of you try to do just that. Many atheists claim that evolution
helps them prove that there is no God,god/goddesses,ect....
some will say that they don't do it while at they same time try to
discredit the christian who doesn't agree with them.
Some of them say that they don't use evolution to try to dis-prove
God,they only use it to show that there is no need of a God in mans
life,ect..... Yet,I have not seen one ounce of evidence to support
such claims.
To tell you the truth,my argument is not so much about evolution ,it has
more to do with some people making the claim that there is no God.
Evolution is in the church,and has it's roots in many religions.
Evolution isn't going away,at least not for some time.
I am concerned more with where the atheist is going.
I challenge any atheist to watch the news closely and to study
prophecy. I hope that they will learn on there own that God is alive
and very well before this world gets much worse for them and for
christians like myself.
It's not just the atheists who will have a bad time soon,it's also going
to be terrible for the christians who say Jesus is the only way to God.

 

[Sophistress]

OK, I'll post it again in case you missed it. You say evolution can be traced back to paganism, but it looks like Christianity can too. Here you go:

-Christians and most Pagans eventually celebrated the birthday of their godman on DEC-25.

-According to an ancient Christian tradition, Christ died on MAR-23 and resurrected on MAR-25. These dates agree precisely with the death and resurrection of Attis.

-Baptism was a principal ritual; it washed away a person's sins. In some rituals, Baptism was performed by sprinkling holy water on the believer; in others, the person was totally immersed.

-The most important sacrament was a ritual meal of bread and wine which symbolize the godman's body and blood. His followers were criticized of engaging in cannibalism.

-Early Christians initiated converts in March and April by baptism. Mithraism initiated their new members at this time as well.

-Early Christians were naked when they were baptized. After immersion, they then put on white clothing and a crown. They carried a candle and walked in a procession to a basilica . Followers of Mithra were also baptized naked, put on white clothing and a crown, and walked in a procession to the temple. However, they carried torches.

-At Pentecost, the followers of Jesus were recorded as speaking in tongues. At Trophonius and Delos, the Pagan priestesses appeared to speak in such a way that each person present heard her words in the observer's own language.

-An inscription to Mithras reads: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation." 1 In John 6:53-54, Jesus is said to have repeated this theme: "...Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (KJV)

-The Bible records that Jesus was crucified between two thieves. One went to heaven and the other to hell. In the Mithras mysteries, a common image showed Mithras flanked by two torchbearers, one on either side. One held a torch pointed upwards, the other downwards. This symbolized ascent to heaven or descent to hell.

-In Attis, a bull was slaughtered while on a perforated platform. The animal's blood flowed down over an initiate who stood in a pit under the platform. The believer was then considered to have been "born again." Poor people could only afford a sheep, and so were literally washed in the blood of the lamb. This practice was interpreted symbolically by Christians.

-There were many additional points of similarity between Mithraism and Christianity. 2 St. Augustine even declared that the priests of Mithraism worshiped the same God as he did:

-Followers of both religions celebrated a ritual meal involving bread. It was called a missa in Latin or mass in English.

-Both the Catholic church and Mithraism had a total of seven sacraments.

-Epiphany, JAN-6, was originally the festival in which the followers of Mithra celebrated the visit of the Magi to their newborn godman. The Christian Church took it over in the 9th century.

 

[Guest]

Bible Prophecy comes true

Evidence. Please give me some fulfilled Bible Prophecies that exist outside of the Bible, ones that could not have been fabricated in order to push the Christian religion (because there was a lot of competition between different religions 2000 years ago).

:B-fly: One thing that all religions agree on is that there "is a GOD".
Many disagree about Jesus,and many disagree about who Jesus was
and is. many also believe Jesus did exist here on eath,so it is the word
of God and Jesus Christ that they disagree about.,Not whether God
exists or not.
The world is claiming now that there are many ways to God.
As I have mentioned before,The bible said that Israel would one day
again become a nation. Some people said it could not be taken
literally,but Israel did become a nation again in 1948 and it was not
about pushing a religion. This was about Israel and the world.
Israel is still the main focus in the news and headlines for all these
years. God is still using that nation just as his word says he will.
The Jews have been returning back to Israel just as the bible says.
The anti-Christ will force all the lost to take a mark in their hand or
fore head. We now have the technology to do that,and the I.D. chip
is being sold to the public.
Religions are beginning to unite,as they did after 9/11 only it's getting
stronger now. Religions are going to unite in their common belief in a
God,and their desire to create world peace.
Every religion,occult and sect will be allowed to worship the way they
always have,none will have to change the way they believe in God,and
all religions will unite to also show tolerance of the religious views and
faiths of others. man thinks he can create his own heaven on earth.
Keep your eyes on Israel,because History is going some where.
The idea of a police state is more like a reality today,and the computer
I.D. is a tracking device,but most people will think it's a good idea very
soon. They are going to make them where they can store all your life
story,DNA,and medical history in them,and they will claim it's for your
convenience and safety,but it can and will be used against you if you
change your mind and decide you believe Jesus Christ is the only way
to God. The Government in my opinion believes people are too stupid
to take care of themselves,while seeing itself as the enlightened ones
with superior intelligence. See what a few more panic attacks will do!
I believe that the Government hired and cut deals with hardened
criminals and staged all these child murders and kidknappings,and
I don't believe it'll stop there.
The excuse to force everyone to take the chip I.D. will be because of
the rise in crime. At first it'll be offered to the public without force.
Right now they are selling the chip,(why not make a profit from it first-
right?) The price will probably go down,and then it'll be easier to get.
Mexicans in Mexico have been getting chipped now,and some people
here in the USA already have been chipped. In fact,one of the slogans
is: Got Chipped?
Conspiracy? I don't think so.

 

[mh13]

This is why I have a problem with you. You are narrowminded and judgemental of your fellow Christians because of your inability to understand science.

:B-fly: I am sorry if I forgot for a moment that you were a
christian,but I have no problem with Scientists who are against
evolution,those saved and not yet saved.
It's not about science,it's about personal views.
I don't feel that I am trying to judge anyone,and
especially not those who share my faith.
We are here to share our opinions and our personal views.

Blue...I worship the one and only true God that you worship. I also believe in evolution. Are you calling me a liar when I say that I only worship one God? Or will you take back your claim that evolutionists are pagans?

:B-fly: From your other posts I do tend to believe you are a christian,but
I cannot take back the claim the evolution was invented by ancient pagans
but that does not mean that I think you are a pagan simply because thats
where it got it's start. I believe you are being honest. You already know
that I do not believe in evolution,and this is something that I thought was
understood between the two of us.
I do however find it difficult to understand how atheists can say they
believe in evolution. Evolution got it's start with pagan religion.
There is a good book that explains it that I just ordered myself,called
"The Long War Against God" by Henry Morris. But there are many other
sources available that anyone can learn about this.

I was just getting ready to recommend "The Long War Against God" when I ran across your post. Thats a great book isn't it, blue? I'm about 3/4 of the way through it and I'll tell you what--it's a real eye opener!!

 

[Guest]

OK, I'll post it again in case you missed it. You say evolution can be traced back to paganism, but it looks like Christianity can too. Here you go:

-Christians and most Pagans eventually celebrated the birthday of their godman on DEC-25.

:B-fly: Sorry! Thats how you read history and that must have come from
christians who didn't know history,or very little.
I read history differently,and I know it was the pagan who copied the
Christians not the other way around.
The Bible predicted in the old Testament that a Savior would come.
The pagans tried to mix christianity in their pagan religions to get
others to join them.
Constantine mixed paganism with christianity too.
The first christians did not celebrate any of those days that the pagans
did.
Please read from the Encyclopedia Britanica or Colliers Encyclopedia,or
another good encyclopedia and they will tell you where all those days
came from,and they sure didn't come from the true christians,amen.
pagans will add all sorts of beliefs to their religion as they did in ancient
times whether or not anyone cares.
When God reveals himself to you through his son,you'll know it,amen.
History is actually going someone.
Look at the rise in Pagan religion alone in todays times.
Almost all churches and religions have some form of paganism in it
now,and they have even before I was born. I was born in the 60's,and
the churches had already long accepted pagan days ect....
Again,an attempt to cause Peace among religious groups,ect....
They tried mixing their faiths,and it's still a bad mix today.
It is very hard for a true believer to know what to do now,and who
to believe. A true believer now must go straight to God himself to know
what to do. We are living in the days of Apostasy that the Bible long
told about. The Apostasy is here for sure. satan got into church where
no one thought he'd dare be.
Knowing God is through prayer and his word,not man.
Christians already have a hard time in this world if they are the true
christians and they always have and they always will until Jesus comes
back again. The true christians are rebels to the world.
I ask a question,o.k. suppose satan is real. He is but since you don't think
he is,just suppose he is for a moment. If satan were real,do you really
believe in your heart that he will let atheists keep existing in the last days?
No way! it served it's purpose for him before the last generation came along,it kept people away from God,and caused them to go to the lake
of fire,but this is the final generation before Jesus returns,so do you
honestly believe if satan were real that he will let Atheists be Atheists?
He will not do it. He won't allow it any more because he will demand
all people worship him. He will do anything to be worshiped. Look at all
the rock stars who gave their lives to satan to be rich and famous.
satan wants you too,and if you are not careful he will get your soul.
This is a battle of souls,and most people do not know it. I tell you the
truth,one day you'll have to make a choice,and when you do,I hope
you will remember what I told you and choose Jesus.
Trust me,I'm not looking forward to being tortured,but being with Jesus
is everything,and we must prepare for what is ahead of us.
satan won't let there be anymore atheists soon. God is the one who
gives every human free choice,not satan.
satan will see to it that you worship his anti christ or you'll die.
you either worship him or die and thats the way it'll be right after he
is finished with the global church ( Known as the Mother Harlot & her daughters) Thanks Constantine,but no thanks,is the cry of the true child
of God, in this world today!!!
Trust me,History is going some where.

 

[Guest]

:I was just getting ready to recommend "The Long War Against God" when I ran across your post. Thats a great book isn't it, blue? I'm about 3/4 of the way through it and I'll tell you what--it's a real eye opener!!

:B-fly: Indeed it is,and I can't wait until I get my copy! I just ordered
it a few days ago.
You are right! I believed you anyway,but nothing like looking it up for
yourself,huh?
There are other sources available but Henry Morris really did the leg
work for most of us in his book. I like this author alot and hope to buy
more of his books. I highly recommend this book too!

 

[ThinkerMan]

satan will see to it that you worship his anti christ or you'll die.
you either worship him or die and thats the way it'll be right after he
is finished with the global church

This doesn't make any sense. If everyone who doesn't become part of this "false" religion dies, then all "true christians" will die, correct?

But won't they be raptured? If they are gone, what is the issue?

If they haven't been raptured, then they will all be dead and there obviously cannot be a rapture since there are no "true christians" left alive.

 

[Wertbag]

Conspiracy? I don't think so.

Thats one of the biggest conspiracy theories ever. Not only does it include every government, but heaps of criminals, businesses, and religions. Conspiracy theories follow the same basic rules, they involve large groups of powerful people and have no evidence and are completely unproveable. So many of them have come and gone that its easy to disbelieve any new outlandish claims. Remember 2000? Some people said end of the world, some said the return of christ, some said all electronic devices would fail plunging us into the dark ages... what happened? Bit of fireworks, quite a few parties and life as usual.
Religions will never agree, Christians don't like the catholics, muslims don't like hindus, buddists don't agree with christians. Yes they will tolerate each other, but they do that already (barring the extremists on all sides). The don't follow the same God, several don't believe in a single God, they are simply not compatible.
As for the ID chip being satans tool, originally the mark of the beast was thought of as a tattoo or branding, then changed to bar code, then to eftpos cards/credit cards, now to ID chips. Its been claimed many times and nothing untoward happened with any other advance of technology.
Is a cashless society possible or likely? Yes, I already run the majority of my life cashless and see no problem with expanding it so I can have an easier life due to technology.

believe that the Government hired and cut deals with hardened
criminals and staged all these child murders and kidknappings

That has got to be the one sentance that stands out, pure paranoia. No way to prove the statement, no way to even come to that conclusion. It follows the standard pattern of all other conspiracy theories, even as far as pointing out you will be a victim too. Can you please explain how you would come to this opinion?

 

[Guest]

Your naivety shows through here. You keep saying all religions will unite together, and then you say none of them will have to change. What on Earth are you talking about? I can barely understand you to be perfectly frank.

Then who will be calling who ugly names?
I don't have to call you any ugly names because I am aware of what
is happening,and I feel sorry for you.

I haven't called anyone an ugly name. Oh, and you need not feel sorry for me.

:roll: Listen this time,o.k? The religions of this world are not going to
change their religions or their religious views,the only change they will
make is that they will unite together and accept one anothers differences.
The only christians that would be asked to change are those like me who
believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to God,and if they don't they
will be called the haters of world peace and global unity,and so it will
be with the atheist who won't conform.
I feel sorry for you if you don't start paying attention to whats going
on in the world and the news and bible prophecy,but not to be rude,
or sarcastic. I do feel sorry for you if you won't be prepared for what
is going to happen because you'll be an easy target.
Religions want to unite together for global peace,but not change how
they worship. There already are some churches that have multiple
religions in the same building. The Catholic church claims Muslims
because the muslims claim Abraham as an ancestor,and because they
claim faith in God. They just have adifferent name for God is how the
world see's it.

 

[Guest]

satan will see to it that you worship his anti christ or you'll die.
you either worship him or die and thats the way it'll be right after he
is finished with the global church

This doesn't make any sense. If everyone who doesn't become part of this "false" religion dies, then all "true christians" will die, correct?

But won't they be raptured? If they are gone, what is the issue?

If they haven't been raptured, then they will all be dead and there obviously cannot be a rapture since there are no "true christians" left alive.

:B-fly: O.K.,this is what I believe will take place,mind you,I am no expert
but from what I understand,the luke warm christians and those who are
putting other things and people,ect above God will be left behind.
I believe some of us will be raptured,but I don't know when.
I hope it's before the Anti Christ gains control of the world.
We know that many people will be saved during the tribulation called
the tribulation saints,and of course you know many will be saved due
to the fact that many had heard of bible prophecy before but just chose
not to believe in it until they are face to face with it.
There will be many who will be saved.
But you do know that satan doesn't want any Jesus Freaks causing him
trouble right? Yet,many of them will become Jesus Freaks in the Tribu-
lation. When the rapture occurs,many people will get saved when they
know what happened.

 

[Guest]

satan will see to it that you worship his anti christ or you'll die.
you either worship him or die and thats the way it'll be right after he
is finished with the global church

This doesn't make any sense. If everyone who doesn't become part of this "false" religion dies, then all "true christians" will die, correct?

But won't they be raptured? If they are gone, what is the issue?

If they haven't been raptured, then they will all be dead and there obviously cannot be a rapture since there are no "true christians" left alive.

:B-fly: This is a great point you bring up,Thinkerman, and it does
deserve alot more study. You have every right to question things.

 

[Guest]

Conspiracy? I don't think so.

Thats one of the biggest conspiracy theories ever. Not only does it include every government, but heaps of criminals, businesses, and religions. Conspiracy theories follow the same basic rules, they involve large groups of powerful people and have no evidence and are completely unproveable.

:B-fly: Yes,I realize it is hard to believe at first,thats why I challenge
you to be a free thinker. I believe we are in the final generation to
be totally honest with you. I didn't get paranoid about y2k because
I knew the AC neede computers,ect.....
Some people look at one thing and think it's the end,but thats not what
you do. You have to take all the signs of the end times together.
It makes no difference if some religions believe in more than one
God,ect....they will still claim that there are many ways to God and
be teaching religious tolerance and uniting together for global peace.
I don't know about a cashless society,but I could see how it could
happen. I am not making up a conspiracy,this thing is so old it would
shock you. This Big Brother type thing got started back in the 1700's
I have read many times,and that they tried to develope a one world
Government in the 70's thinking they had gotten the people in the mode
and mental train of thought of "Love your Brother" "Peace Man"Peace!
and they thought after the 60's the 70's would be a piece of cake,yet
it backfired. Well,I don't know about that,but all the signs are coming
together for the New World Order today. The Government thinks it'll
get to tell everyone what to do,and how to do it with the help of Global
religious unity and tolerance,but it's so strange how religion is thrown
in there. Have you ever looked on a one dollar bill where the all seeing
eye is located inside of a paramid,and the word new world order are
written in latin? You'll find it there alright,so this may be evidence that
the Government had it planned for ages?
It will happen,there is just too much happening in the world now that
points to it. But of course it's getting old after hearing it for so long,and
people don't believe it anymore.
In the 70's many homosexuals were still in the closet,but just a few
decades later they are getting married and proving that sodom and
Gomorrah are back.
watch for yourself. a few more panic attacks and you'll see if people will
be running to buy the I.D. chips or not. The SS# was just a prelude to
the global I.D.,it's all been leading up to one thing. There are some very
rich people out there who call themselves the "enlightened ones" who
run the Government and who think they are superior in inteligence and
genetics,ect.... and they want to control the world because they feel
they are the only ones smart enough to do it,and they believe that
most people in general are stupid. They believe they have a right to
choose who should live and who should die.
Sounds really scary and unbelievable,but it is true.
The Bible is an ancient book,but I know that whoever wrote that book
knew the future,and the only one who knows the future is God!