[_ Old Earth _] Failure of the "evolution" religion

[Guest]

Science

:o Science is interpreted differently by different people and this is why we have scientists who do not agree with one another. Yes,it should not be allowed to happen to some people,but many people don't understand the bible the same way either.
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[SyntaxVorlon]

Re: Science

Science is interpreted differently by different people and this is why we have scientists who do not agree with one another.

No, the meaning and purpose of science is well agreed upon. The scientific community does come to majority decisions after sufficient peer review over a subject.

 

[Guest]

Re: Science

O.k.
I am going to give you a rest and let you be.
I wish you well,blessings :Fade-color

 

[Routerider]

Not so and you know it. I cannot be the first christian you have ever encountered who does not believe what you say.
You have your interpretation of science and I have mine and they are very different to put it mild.
The bible proves itself right to me,and thats all I need.
If you have put the bible on trial in your own life and you believe it's wrong,that is between you and God.
My interpretation of The bible and Science,Geology,Biology,space,ect... are in favor of creation by design and a young earth,with no evolving of any kind. DNA means to me data not accidental!
I believe what the bible say about those who don't believe in God,and I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that those who say there is no God is without an excuse because nature testifies that God lives,amen.
I also don't believe that we as christians should sugar coat the truth,or roll over and let the enemy kick us. Christians can be bold as a lion at times,and if we would keep it up we won't have abortions and strip clubs,pornography,adultry,rape or murder like it is now or children having sex,ect...
America must wake up! :B-fly:
Your interpretation of science is just your interpretation,it is not shared by all people on earth.

I was quite surprised by this statement. Do you believe that some evolution took place after the global flood? Another words, do you believe Noah packed two dingo's, two foxes, two dogs, two wolves, two jackals etc on the Ark? Or did he have two of the dog kind like the Bible mentions?

 

[Guest]

My interpretation of The bible and Science,Geology,Biology,space,ect... are in favor of creation by design and a young earth,with no evolving of any kind. DNA means to me data not accidental!

I was quite surprised by this statement. Do you believe that some evolution took place after the global flood? Another words, do you believe Noah packed two dingo's, two foxes, two dogs, two wolves, two jackals etc on the Ark? Or did he have two of the dog kind like the Bible mentions?[/quote]

:B-fly: I believe what the bible says about creation. How do you believe?

 

[Routerider]

My interpretation of The bible and Science,Geology,Biology,space,ect... are in favor of creation by design and a young earth,with no evolving of any kind. DNA means to me data not accidental!

I was quite surprised by this statement. Do you believe that some evolution took place after the global flood? Another words, do you believe Noah packed two dingo's, two foxes, two dogs, two wolves, two jackals etc on the Ark? Or did he have two of the dog kind like the Bible mentions?

:B-fly: I believe what the bible says about creation. How do you believe?[/quote]

I'll be more than willing to answer your question AFTER you answer the one I recently asked you. Did Noah have two of the dog kind on the ark and evolution gave us the rest of the dog family from there or did he have two of every member of the dog kind on the ark?

 

[Guest]

I'll be more than willing to answer your question AFTER you answer the one I recently asked you. Did Noah have two of the dog kind on the ark and evolution gave us the rest of the dog family from there or did he have two of every member of the dog kind on the ark?[/quote]

:B-fly: Great!

To try and answer your question,I'll tell you this: My Miniture Pomeranian puppy Jill was breeded to be tiny dog and stay a small dog,yet we know that the original Pomeranian dogs were larger dogs. Yes,I would say that the original dogs were on Noah's ark. The changes that occur in a species by selective breeding,ect.... are not proof of evolution,it's mans attempt to mess with nature and life that has already been here. I don't believe hybrids prove evolution either since the life it took to make them were already here.
Life cannot be created from non-life if thats what you meant.
I love tulips,yet I know many are hybrids.
I think invitro- fertilization helps many otherwise infertile couples,so what are you trying to get at?

 

[Routerider]

:B-fly: Great!

To try and answer your question,I'll tell you this: My Miniture Pomeranian puppy Jill was breeded to be tiny dog and stay a small dog,yet we know that the original Pomeranian dogs were larger dogs. Yes,I would say that the original dogs were on Noah's ark. The changes that occur in a species by selective breeding,ect.... are not proof of evolution,it's mans attempt to mess with nature and life that has already been here. I don't believe hybrids prove evolution either since the life it took to make them were already here.
Life cannot be created from non-life if thats what you meant.
I love tulips,yet I know many are hybrids.
I think invitro- fertilization helps many otherwise infertile couples,so what are you trying to get at?

My point was this, to say evolution does not exist on any level is absurd. I'm not saying you need to agree with macroevolution, but the microevolution certainly is observable and has been proven in the fossil record. Microevolution is needed to get jackals and foxes from two dogs only 4400 years ago....in fact hyper-evolution is needed for that!

 

[Guest]

My point was this, to say evolution does not exist on any level is absurd. I'm not saying you need to agree with macroevolution, but the microevolution certainly is observable and has been proven in the fossil record. Microevolution is needed to get jackals and foxes from two dogs only 4400 years ago....in fact hyper-evolution is needed for that![/quote]

:B-fly: I believe we disagree on this subjet.
I cannot accept this view at all.
I would like to suggest that you take time to learn more about female issues such as BBT. It's called Basal Body Temperature. I have been doing it for years now,and it works. Women who ovulate will have a pattern in their temperature every month on a graph paper when they record them each morning. The first half of the cycle,the temps are all low,after ovulation the temperatures rise,and they stay up until a new cycle begins. The female body proves that evolution is out of the question.

 

[Guest]

Fossils in fact do not prove evolution on any level.
fossil evidence is most plentiful among marine invertebrates. These animals are plentiful as fossils because they are so often covered in
sediment upon death,whereas land animals are exposed to scavengers and the elements.

http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org
http://www.creationscience.com

if macroevolution were true,there would be tons of evidence to back it up,and there would be no way to dispute it's claims. But,there is no such proof to this day.

 

[Routerider]

Fossils in fact do not prove evolution on any level.
fossil evidence is most plentiful among marine invertebrates. These animals are plentiful as fossils because they are so often covered in
sediment upon death,whereas land animals are exposed to scavengers and the elements.

http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org
http://www.creationscience.com

if macroevolution were true,there would be tons of evidence to back it up,and there would be no way to dispute it's claims. But,there is no such proof to this day.

Sweetheart what I'm trying to figure out is whether you agree that microevolution is true and that it does happen. I think you agree that it does...since from two dogs we can get we eventually have different members of the canidae family. That was all I was trying to figure out.

 

[Guest]

http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org
http://www.creationscience.com


Sweetheart what I'm trying to figure out is whether you agree that microevolution is true and that it does happen. I think you agree that it does...since from two dogs we can get we eventually have different members of the canidae family. That was all I was trying to figure out.

:B-fly: I believe that there were different kinds of cats and dogs ect... on Noah's ark.I believe inter breeding happens but this is not evolution or macroevolution,this is life from life.

 

[Blue-Lightning]

Then what you are referring to is known as microevolution. It's the same thing that happens from one parent to a child - the child has changed a bit (evolution means change), thus "microevolution."

BL

 

[Guest]

Then what you are referring to is known as microevolution. It's the same thing that happens from one parent to a child - the child has changed a bit (evolution means change), thus "microevolution."

BL

:B-fly: I don't call it evolution,even though evolution means change.
To me it's life from life. I don't believe to seperate species can create life.
Dogs breed with dogs and we get more dogs,the type of dog really isn't what matters,it's just that dogs make other dogs.
Cats make cats,and humans make humans. Race is not the issue.
I don't think the changes in inter-breeding changes what the species is to start with.
If you are comfortable with the word evolution,then it's your choice to use this word or not. I am not comfortable with it. The word evolution can suggest other things that I don't agree with.

 

[Routerider]

I honestly hear what you're saying Blue but why not simply be specific and say "microevolution"? If you talk with an evolutionist and you say "life from life" they're going to look at you and say "whats the diff?"


But I support you no matter what you decide.

 

[Guest]

I honestly hear what you're saying Blue but why not simply be specific and say "microevolution"? If you talk with an evolutionist and you say "life from life" they're going to look at you and say "whats the diff?"


But I support you no matter what you decide.

:B-fly: R,you're are a sweetheart! I get what you are saying. I'll try to do that!!! Thanx for your support. I support you too.

 

[victorhadin]

*Jumps in from a prolonged absence for a bit of thread-tourism.*

I have had a great many debates with your kind and I know what you do.
Face it,you do believe in God,you just cannot accept him because you want the freedom to do anything you wish!!!

This is personally my favourite argument of all time. Bless you, blueeyeliner, for you have made me smile on this decidedly hot and sunny day in the office.

 

[Guest]

*Jumps in from a prolonged absence for a bit of thread-tourism.*

I have had a great many debates with your kind and I know what you do.
Face it,you do believe in God,you just cannot accept him because you want the freedom to do anything you wish!!!

This is personally my favourite argument of all time. Bless you, blueeyeliner, for you have made me smile on this decidedly hot and sunny day in the office.

Thank you!

 

[Soma-Sight]

blue,

Have you ever taken a course in Biology at the college level?

Speciation, adaptation, mutations, are all forces of evolution that you can go out and see for yourself!

Does it prove that God does not exist?

No, it has nothing to do with God, it simply has to do with what you can observe using reason and logic in realtion to the ongoing process of life.

There is a difference between micro and macroevolution, just because you believe that ceratin aspects of the evolutionary theory are true does not mean you will tormented in hell with a pitchfork lodged in your colon.

The masses love things to always be in black and white. Too bad there are shades of gray!

 

[Soma-Sight]

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics

A common rejection of all evolutionary theory used by fundamental Creationists is the twisting of the second law of thermodynamics.

Basically the law says that as time goes on in the universe, the amount of entropy or disorder in the universe increases.

So how could evolution on earth happen if it is a downward spiral of organization going on in the universe?

Well the eath is not the whole universe. In fact it is a small part of it. The sun has A LOT of energy bombarding earth at all times. This great degree of energy would allow for greater order or evolution to be possible.

The second law deals with the WHOLE Universe, not just the SYSTEM of the earth.