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[_ Old Earth _] Failure of the "evolution" religion

liberal freedom is not true freedom

Soma-Sight said:
blue,

Have you ever taken a course in Biology at the college level?

Speciation, adaptation, mutations, are all forces of evolution that you can go out and see for yourself!

Does it prove that God does not exist?

No

:Fade-color EVERYTHING has to do with God!!!
You failed to learn this important lesson in life,so how can i believe you about anything?
I don't believe in the liberal education of today,no way,no how.
When you have a liberal world that says sin is not really sin,and gays are getting married,Popes molesting children,and commercials on television showing medications for Herpes with laughing happy people thinking they didn't do a thing wrong in their lives when they got that STD,and when you see advertisements for viagra and other strange things,don't ask me why I don't trust the society we have now!!!
SEX WITHOUT MARRIAGE IS WRONG!!!!
MOLESTING CHILDREN IS WRONG!!!
ADULTERY IS WRONG!!!
ABORTION IS WRONG!!!
HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IS WRONG!!!
TEACHERS WHO LIE TO THE STUDENTS ARE WRONG!!!
TEXT BOOKS THAT TEACH LIES ARE WRONG!!!
The world is so full of trash and so much sin today,anyone who is truly devoted to God won't believe the lie's of this sick world run by satan.
The only real good this world has in it for a christian is to help others get out of the lies and wake up. We all must get out of Babylon and her false teachings!!!
God's word is not ever wrong,man is wrong!!!
People don't always understand the bible,and in the past it was even harder for most people to understand it,but today,more and more people are understanding the bible and more is being revealed to us,and it is showing us that the bible has always been correct,so what we do not understand today will be understood tomorrow.
Evolution has no truth to observe in it,and that is not a lie!
Evolution is now in many so called christian churches,and many whp claim to be christian accept the teachings of evolution. That is the way the world is now,but that cannot make it right or true.
http://www.emjc3.com
http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org
http://www.icr.org
http://www.absolutetruth.net/creation/
you do not have any authority to tell me that junk!
I am giving you sound truth to live by,not a modern fable or fairytale.
In the last days most people will turn to fables instead of sound doctrine.
what times do you think we are living in now?
 
:angel: There is no such thing as true freedom when freedom means having the freedom to sin against the holy God of the bible,and others.
:angel: Why was America attacked? Could it be because America has become so wicked and evil?
America better wake up and get back to it's true christian roots before the liberals take every ounce of freedom we have left!!!
Liberal education is not real education.
It is said now that students today are not very bright or very well educated and that most teachers are not doing their jobs.
If a child in school won't celebrate the pagan so called holidays,they are shunned by the teachers,and classmates.
If you try to stand up for christian morals,you are called a hater.
The atheists are called haters too,but for a different reason,and only the christians who say Jesus is the ONLY way to God are called haters and intolerant of the faiths and religion of others.
Atheists are called haters for claiming there is no God.
Being wise as serpents,gentle as doves,and bold as a lion are words that confuse a lost sinner,but to a child of God,these words do make alot of sense!!!
 
blueeyeliner said:
Why was America attacked? Could it be because America has become so wicked and evil?
If that was the case, then God should have attacked us, not some Muslims.

America better wake up and get back to it's true christian roots before the liberals take every ounce of freedom we have left!!!
Yah. Lets go back to the good ole Christian days of the Inquistion. When women couldn't vote and a man could beat his wife with a stick that was thinner than his thumb. Lets add in a little slavery supported by Christianity and we should once again have a great world to live in.

If a child in school won't celebrate the pagan so called holidays,they are shunned by the teachers,and classmates.
As opposed to the shunning of non-Christians in a Christian majority school?

If you try to stand up for christian morals,you are called a hater.
Depends on the morals. Stand up for "turning the other cheek" and people support you. Stand up to enforce your will on others, and you will be judged negatively on it.

EVERYTHING has to do with God!!!
You failed to learn this important lesson in life,so how can i believe you about anything?
I have met many Christians that believe in evolution. Some believe in the results of science and figure that the Bible was just giving the same account in a moral story instead of a factual one.

God's word is not ever wrong,man is wrong!!!
Man's word is quite wrong when saying what the Bible means. People that read and studied the Bible believed that the Earth was flat and and the sun went around the Earth. They believed snow and water was on top of the solid dome over the Earth. They believed bats are birds and diseases are caused by demons.

We know this is not true. So what is the chance that evolution has also been misunderstood by people reading the Bible?

Quath
 
:o Do you not ever learn? !!!!
America has turned the cheeks so much it's blue on both sides of her face!!! God can use Ishmael's descendents,they are already fighting with the descendents of Isaac and have been for tundreds of years,too bad you haven't noticed before. How did the muslims get into America in the first place even though they hate her?
Christians didn't believe that men beating their wives was o.k. and they did not believe in keeping women down. You are taking the views of all the false christians to prove a useless point that has no bearing on the truth at all. I could say that the Roman Church is the true church but I won't because it's a lie!
:B-fly: What you choose to believe is on you,but this is about your soul,so if you care anything at all about where you will be after this life,you might want to make certain you are correct before telling others about it. I do not believe in any of it,and I stand firmly against the teachings of evolutionist scientists.
Yes, many who say they are christians do believe in evolution,we all know this,and some christians may believe it until they look deeper,but will there be any atheists left soon as this world becomes more and more religious? I think not.
You cannot blame God or the true christians for sinful and evil man kind,but God does punish the wicked,and if America supports abortion and / or allows it,she will be punished one day for it.
9/11 was no accident when God knows that all Americans know that number!!!!
 
Blue, please answer this question yes or no: Can someone who believes in evolution be saved?
 
Blueeyeliner, after you answer cubed's question, riddle me this....

You cannot blame God or the true christians for sinful and evil man kind,but God does punish the wicked,and if America supports abortion and / or allows it,she will be punished one day for it.
9/11 was no accident when God knows that all Americans know that number!!!!

What about all the other nations that are even more liberal in their application of abortion? Why weren't those nations "punished" more than us?

What about the lack of capital punishment throughout the world? What about the almost "pro teen sex" policies of the northern european countries? What about those darn muslim countries? The pagans in India? The ancient heathen religions of Africa and Borneo? All those Catholics in South & Central America?

Why didn't, or doesn't god punish them first?

According to your thinking, America is the bad one in the world. But aren't there more evangelical christians in America than anywhere else? Isn't America home to the most conservative and "literalist" christians? The people most inline with your thinking?

And what is with this punishment stuff? I though Jesus was supposed to stop all that OT stuff when he was cruxified.

Your logic is lacking.
 
blueeyeliner said:
America has turned the cheeks so much it's blue on both sides of her face!!!
When has America turned her cheek?
God can use Ishmael's descendents,they are already fighting with the descendents of Isaac and have been for tundreds of years,too bad you haven't noticed before. How did the muslims get into America in the first place even though they hate her?
Do you have any idea why Muslims hate American policy? Do you realize that America overthrew Iran's democracy and installed a monarchy? When the Shah came to America, they got scared and took hostages. So we sided with Saddam against Iran. We even kept supporting Saddam as he gassed his own people with WMD. It was when he went after too much oil did we step in. So we are dealing with bad foreign policy, not the attitudes of the citizens.

I do not believe in any of it,and I stand firmly against the teachings of evolutionist scientists.
Maybe you should stand against the round Earthers and the biologists that promote germ theory. They went against the Bible. And as you state, it is more important to believe the Bible than any observable evidence.

You cannot blame God or the true christians for sinful and evil man kind,but God does punish the wicked,and if America supports abortion and / or allows it,she will be punished one day for it.
9/11 was no accident when God knows that all Americans know that number!!!!
So if something bad happens, it is God's wrath and if something good happen's, it is God's pleasure. So that just about covers every event that can happen.

You have the terrorists on the plane praying to Allah and the passangers praying to God. Wow. Guess Allah won that one.

Quath
 
Re: liberal freedom is not true freedom

blueeyeliner said:
No

:Fade-color EVERYTHING has to do with God!!!
You failed to learn this important lesson in life,so how can i believe you about anything?
I don't believe in the liberal education of today,no way,no how.
When you have a liberal world that says sin is not really sin,and gays are getting married,Popes molesting children,and commercials on television showing medications for Herpes with laughing happy people thinking they didn't do a thing wrong in their lives when they got that STD,and when you see advertisements for viagra and other strange things,don't ask me why I don't trust the society we have now!!!

You know, that's just precious.

So... anyone who doesn't believe in what you believe cannot be trusted about anything and anything taught in education today is rubbish?

Bravo! I think you should win some kind of prize for that....
 
cubedbee said:
Blue, please answer this question yes or no: Can someone who believes in evolution be saved?

:angel: I believe that those who believe in evolution can be saved like all people can be saved if they truly desire The LORD!
Your motives are very important,and God looks at your heart,amen.
There will be many who cry out to the Lord,saying didn't we cast out devil's in your name,but many will be told,apart from me you doers of iniquity.
Check out your motives first of all,then go from there. You won't stay in the dark forever if you really want to put God first in your life,amen.
God will be the first to know when you want him more than anyone or anything,ect..... :B-fly: Keep praying!
 
Re: liberal freedom is not true freedom

You know, that's just precious.

So... anyone who doesn't believe in what you believe cannot be trusted about anything and anything taught in education today is rubbish?

:D Aren't you being the cutie pie today!
Well,I don't know if they must believe me,but they must believe God,amen.
Liberal education is really bad news. You just cannot mix one grain of truth with a whole arsenol of pure lies and assumptions.
Most of these liberals base assumptions on their personal agenda.
We live in a time where anything goes,and if it feels good,do it,so what do you think?
I would dare to be cautious with what is being taught in schools today,just like anything else going on out there in the world today.
Do you not believe that Sodom & Gomorrah has returned?
Do you not know that the world is full of false teachers and false prophets?
Do you understand that in the last days most people will not listen to the sound doctrine of The Holy Bible,instead they will choose to believe in fables told by men?
Do you know anything about the war between Sarah's relatives and Hagars relatives that still exists today?
What is JIHAD? What is this so called holy war about?
If I can just help one person,it is worth it to me to tell people what I believe is the truth. If I am wrong,may God forgive me,but I am not trying to lead others away from God,I am trying to use what we know from the Bible,and what is going on today to help other people.
None of us but God has the complete truth,but we can certainly try our best to help others get out of darkness if we really put God first in our lives. It may be easy to say you do that,but we also must walk the walk not just talk the talk,amen. :Fade-color
 
When has America turned her cheek?
:roll:


:Fade-color America turned her cheek when she allowed people to misunderstand what The Land of The Free really meant! the Land Of The Free didn't mean the Land of The Free for all to sin against God!!!
America turned her cheek when she allowed just anyone to live here even those that hate America. We have so many traitors in our own country that no one can possibly find them all.
America turned her cheek when she allowed abortions,and when she didn't punish adultery or sex with out marriage.
There was a time when fornicators,rapists and murderers were killed for their crimes,so you really have to ask that silly question?
There is no allah,and no they did not win.All they did was prove that American's are not watching out for terrorists while they are having abortions and loose sex and watching porn,and using cuss words as the normal language of the day.
If you want to know more about God,read his book!!!
After all,he went to all the trouble to have it made into a book for us,you could at least read it,before judging people who believe it.
If you have read it,why do you ask such silly questions? :Fade-color
 
:o There are two sides to every story!
You saw the events with saddam much more differently that I,and you read more into it than was actually there.
If you want the truth,study all of history,and the bible side by side and see what you get.
:B-fly: If you are convinced you know the truth,then thats your way.
If I were you,I'd re-think things through alot more,and research history,the bible,and look at the world as it is today.
Isn't your soul worth it?
Aren't you worth it?
:Fade-color We all see things so differently. Some of us love Bush,some of us don't. Some of us couldn't stand the Clintons,some people loved them.
We have to decide what it is that we each stand for.
I am against abortion,and I am against loose morals,filthy language,and everything that is against God. I believe we need laws against abortion,pornography,drugs,adultery and fornication. I believe every child should be taught about God,and the bible in the home very young before they are even old enough to commit sin against others,ect...
Parents should teach their children about God early on.
God and the word helps protect our bodies,and it helps promote a healthy life style and with that a healthy self esteem.
The word of God helps to promote good and useful habits,and personally I think it's worth it to be able to sleep good at night.
It also keeps us from having guilt and shame that comes from living loose with no morals.
Listening to the bible can only help people,not hurt them.
but worldly Conflicting messages hurt people,and running loose causes diseases and shame,and disgust!
The schools today teach kids to have sex and to enjoy it,they pass out condems and tell little girls that they can have abortions without the parents knowing and they tell kids that all sex is normal.
The liberals teach that it's o.k. to do anything that you want to do.
they teach it's o.k. to have an open mind about all things,even things that cause tradgedy,and hurt others.
An open mind is their motto.
Open everything is what they mean.
Look at the world today and see what you find.
You'll see liberals crying out to be even more liberal and saying that christians are all wrong,or that the fundies just don't have a clue,ect...
The battle cry of the free? or the free to sin? They do not sound like people to me that love freedom when they want more than what they deserve to have.
Just being safe is not enough for these liberals,of course not,they want every right in the world to sin and they call it freedom!!!
No wonder the Government thinks everyone is so stupid!!!!!
 
What about all the other nations that are even more liberal in their application of abortion? Why weren't those nations "punished" more than us?


:angel: When were any other nations or countries ever as free as America?
You should not accuse me of being un-American at all! I take great offense to that,and you will not say that about me.
Those who are un-American are those who don't understand that freedom isn't free!!!
I don't have a problem with America,just the loose people in America!!!
Just having freedom to enjoy going to the store or anywhere you want to go is not enough for the liberals today. being able to sleep at night safe and sound is not enough for the liberals,and being able to have as many children as you want is not enough to them,or being able to own your own house,ect... just isn't enough for them!!!
Those who love freedom have respect for it,and they appreciate it. They don't try to push for more rights to sin,and do things against God!!!
The Land of The Free was never intended to mean The land of The free for all to sin!!!
 
blueeyeliner said:
America turned her cheek when she allowed people to misunderstand what The Land of The Free really meant! the Land Of The Free didn't mean the Land of The Free for all to sin against God!!!
America turned her cheek when she allowed just anyone to live here even those that hate America. We have so many traitors in our own country that no one can possibly find them all.
America turned her cheek when she allowed abortions,and when she didn't punish adultery or sex with out marriage.
There was a time when fornicators,rapists and murderers were killed for their crimes,so you really have to ask that silly question?
I don't think you understand what "turn the other cheek means." It means that if you are harmed by someone, you do nothing but allow for yourself to be harmed by that person again. Changing social values does not fit that description. Turning the other cheek is very close to the idea of instant forgiveness. Who has America forgiven instantly?

One way to to look at this is that to turn the other cheek is following Jesus's example. All the examples you gave, according to you, is America turning away from Jesus.

There is no allah,and no they did not win.All they did was prove that American's are not watching out for terrorists while they are having abortions and loose sex and watching porn,and using cuss words as the normal language of the day.
So you are saying that the President and his administration were too busy looking at porn to catch the terrorists? I believe they were trying to do their job and Bin Laden found a hole in security.

If you want to know more about God,read his book!!!
If you want to understand the book, look at history. You will see a tribe that chose one of their gods, Yaweh, above all the others and forced his rule on the rest of the tribe. So your god had his beginnings as a localized tribal god in competition with all the other localized tribal gods.

Read the book and see how silly some of it is. See how Yaweh thinks virginity is known from the hymen (someone should have clued him in that anatomy doesn't guarantee that). Watch Yaweh kill a child because He didn't like what his parents did. Or see Yaweh send she bears to maul 42 kids for making fun of a man. Or see Yaweh say it is ok to sell your daughter as a sex slave. How far do you have to blindly follow an idea tothink it is ok for a rape victim to be forced to marry her rapist?

I have read a lot of this book and most of it sickens me with how morally corrupt the principles are. It saddens me worse that people can look at the brutal killings that Yaweh commanded and the stupid rules and think they are a "good" thing.
After all,he went to all the trouble to have it made into a book for us,you could at least read it,before judging people who believe it.
If you have read it,why do you ask such silly questions? :Fade-color
He could have done a lot better job of editing out the mistakes. Or at least update it so modern people can decide what he meant instead of forming 33,000+ denominations to guess what He meant.

Quath
 
ThinkerMan said:
Blueeyeliner, after you answer cubed's question, riddle me this....

What about all the other nations that are even more liberal in their application of abortion? Why weren't those nations "punished" more than us?

What about the lack of capital punishment throughout the world? What about the almost "pro teen sex" policies of the northern european countries? What about those darn muslim countries? The pagans in India? The ancient heathen religions of Africa and Borneo? All those Catholics in South & Central America?

Why didn't, or doesn't god punish them first?

:B-fly: No other nation has been as blessed as America,and the poverty and lack of freedom of the other nations and countries should speak volumes to you about these issues you raise.
If you know the bible,you would know there are many places on the earth that have been punished and were under a curse.
Are you trying to say that God should not punish wicked behavior,or that God should allow people to do evil and live any way they choose,even though he is holy and good and the creator of all the living?
Should God's creation be allowed to do things in his sight that hurt him?
Who should have the most rights?
Am I to understand that you believe there are no wicked people in the world,and that God has no rights,only man?
There are pagans all over the world and The USA has so many pagans it's not a joke!!! what do you think christmas,easter and valentines day are?
They are pagan days. Only God himself can set a day aside and make it holy,not man!!!
Why does wicked man think they are equal or better than the creator?
The Catholic religion is universal,and pagans are too!
It's so strange how everyone just wants all of God's goodies,yet they don't want to do anything nice for God?
We are all being called out of Babylon,and those who do not listen will take part in her sins.
Do you think the war with Iraq is just a coinsidense?
many blame the president for the war with Iraq,yet what is so strange to me is why all the liberals don't think American's should fight back after 9/11!!! That shows what their true agenda truly is to me,amen.
 
:o It really does not make any difference if you know That America has always beena christian nation,your total misunderstanding of scripture proves that you are totally making yourself judge and jury of not only God,but those that believe in him. Thats the only good thing about arresting those who cannot tolerate the faith of others is that atheists won't stand a chance,amen.
There will be no atheists soon and I personally believe you know that,and where we are headed!
The world is getting more and more religious and inter-faithism and tolerance for the religious beliefs of others is rising up. You must tolerate the religious views of everyone or be called a hater,or possibly be arrested and maybe be killed. You will be seen as a terrorist in the eyes of the world!!! That is your future when you write what you just did!
:Fade-color I'll be called a hater too,but not because I have no tolerance for the religious views of others,but because I say Jesus Christ is the only way to God,and he is amen.
If you ever humble yourself one day or one night,you may see things differently,but if no one tells you whats coming,you won't be prepared for it at all.
 
blueeyeliner said:
The world is getting more and more religious and inter-faithism and tolerance for the religious beliefs of others is rising up. You must tolerate the religious views of everyone or be called a hater,or possibly be arrested and maybe be killed. You will be seen as a terrorist in the eyes of the world!!! That is your future when you write what you just did!
I think you want this to be true despite the evidence against it. The Barna Research Group has shown that the number of "unchurched" has doubled in the past 13 years from 39 million to 79 million. Also, people who said they "definitely believed in God" fell from 84% in 1984 to 78% today. On top of this, Christianity is not growing with the population lately. Paganism is growing very quickly in the US.

Quath
 
I'll be called a hater too,but not because I have no tolerance for the religious views of others
Just wait until the Jedi Order overruns christians in the british commonwealth.
 
I think you want this to be true despite the evidence against it. The Barna Research Group has shown that the number of "unchurched" has doubled in the past 13 years from 39 million to 79 million. Also, people who said they "definitely believed in God" fell from 84% in 1984 to 78% today. On top of this, Christianity is not growing with the population lately. Paganism is growing very quickly in the US.

Quath[/quote]

:B-fly: Get Real Q! Grow up some. Why would you accuse me of wanting atheists killed? I don't,I'd love it if they were saved,not harmed in any way.
Wrong again Q, False religion is considered true religion to the world on a global level,and it's most definately on the rise. This is why they insist people learn to tolerate all religious views.
True christians won't be accepted either when the one world government takes over,and the one world global religion is the only choice you've got or be put in prison or killed. They are building consentration camps as we speak,and have been since the 80's at least for those like you and those like me. They call us the extremists. You because you don't feel there is any God,and me for believing Jesus is the only way to God.
Q',I don't ever want any bad thing to ever happen to you or anyone.
Not even Bill Clinton,and I really don't like this man,but I also don't hate him. He is being used by satan,and the war we have is not with flesh and blood. satan uses people to hurt other people,and satan is the cause for hatred,man is just a pon to him.
God loves you so much,and he has done everything to save you,now it's up to you. I hope you find enough compassion on yourself one day or night to look into this much more deeply,and care where you go after this one life.
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
I'll be called a hater too,but not because I have no tolerance for the religious views of others
Just wait until the Jedi Order overruns christians in the british commonwealth.

:roll: Oh' you silly puppy!
 
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