[_ Old Earth _] Failure of the "evolution" religion

[Quath]

That has no bearing on true christians or on God!!!
people may behave in evil ways at times,but that is not God's fault or the Bible's fault. The Bible tells us how a man who accidently kills another man might escape from punishment. God is good,and always full of mercy. He knows the true motives of us all.

Just to clear it up. God says that if you accidentally kill someone, you should not be killed for that crime. Well, if the victims family kills you, then that is ok. So God only gives a sporting chance that the accidental killer survives. (I would think that a moralistic God would say that a person should be punished or not... not base it on if certain people can catch him.)

Quath

 

[Guest]

:o Your mind is so caught up in the rat race of this world and the cares in this one life,that you cannot possibly understand the things of God!
You cannot claim that everyone who says "Jesus,Jesus',is a true christian no more than you can claim that every atheist is a homosexual or bi-sexual. Just because there are many gay atheists,does not mean that all atheists are homosexual's!!!
Putting all christians in the same group is wrong!
There are fakes everywhere in everything!
You just don't want God to exist,but wishing he doesn't exist won't make it happen. God does exist,and I know he does.
I know Jesus lives,but you say you don't.
One of us is right,and it's not you because you wouldn't believe what I have learned,even if I told you.
Those blinded by satan cannot see the truth,even when it slaps their face.
You choose to believe God is not real for some reason and you use people who messed up royaly to get your point across,yet for those who know like I do,how real God is,you are like a Gong with a loud noise but with no sense for it,or reason.

 

[Guest]

That has no bearing on true christians or on God!!!
people may behave in evil ways at times,but that is not God's fault or the Bible's fault. The Bible tells us how a man who accidently kills another man might escape from punishment. God is good,and always full of mercy. He knows the true motives of us all.

Just to clear it up. God says that if you accidentally kill someone, you should not be killed for that crime. Well, if the victims family kills you, then that is ok. So God only gives a sporting chance that the accidental killer survives. (I would think that a moralistic God would say that a person should be punished or not... not base it on if certain people can catch him.)

Quath

:Fade-color Quath, do you understand what accidently means?
If you have no intentions of harming or killing someone,you are not guilty of murder. The bible explains what it means,o.k?
If you don't understand,whose fault is that? Yours,no doubt!
If your house blew up while you were at work,and some kids near by were killed because of it,should you go to jail or prison?
I believe those who have abortions are murderers,they kill life. They make an appointment to do it,it's all planned out. Thats murder!
How many of these baby killers are behind bars today?
Yet,it sends the message to the world that they can kill their kids if they are too much of a problem to their lives.
If someone gets drunk and accidently kills someone,the person needs to be punished for the alcohol abuse that led to the death of another person,but to say that someone is guilty of murder for accidentally killing someone when they did not have any intention of doing it deserves death,that is not right. In todays times though, with so many liars in the world,it's hard to tell whose really innocent and whose not.
If we start by putting the baby killers who have abortions on death row,and all known rapists and murderers,ect.... maybe society would start to clean up?
I believe those who view porn should be punished for it,and those who go to strip clubs and bars. All those who pick up prostitutes,and do drugs should also be punished. Those who make everyone pay for their sex lives by spreading diseases and having children who grow up angry at the whole world should also get some punishment/discipline,so that the innocent don't have to pay for the crimes of the guilty!
A world without rules based on the bible is much more wicked!

 

[Quath]

Putting all christians in the same group is wrong!
There are fakes everywhere in everything!

I am a little confused. Where did I put all Christians in one group?

One of us is right,and it's not you because you wouldn't believe what I have learned,even if I told you.
Those blinded by satan cannot see the truth,even when it slaps their face.
You choose to believe God is not real for some reason and you use people who messed up royaly to get your point across,yet for those who know like I do,how real God is,you are like a Gong with a loud noise but with no sense for it,or reason.

I have heard a woman say she met with the Greek Goddess, Diana, sometimes. I talked to a man that said he was Jesus reincarnated. I talked to a Muslim that said he knew Allah on a personal level.

It is amazing how much personal evidence people have for their god. You would agree with me that these people probably had no true evidence. So how would I be able to believe your personal evidence while at the same time reject theirs for the same reasons?

I didn't have a choice in my disbelief. (Unless I didn't want to be honest with myself.) I prayed for God to reveal Himself to me to show He was real. According to the Bible, God has proven Himself in the past. However, nothing happened. After 3 years, I gave up (but I kept an eye out so I wouldn't miss anything.) Finally, I started reading the Bible. Then I realized it was the cultural work of people.

It feels good being an atheist. Not just because I can sin and not worry. (I worry about harming people instead of following rules.) But I no longer had to wonder why God watched as a little 8 year old girl was gang raped and got aids from it and He did nothing. I no longer had to wonder why God watch children die in a tornado and didn't help or stop it. After all, God was very active in the OT, why did He not care anymore.

But being an atheist, I understand why all this happens now. I understand that nature is neither good nor bad. I did lose in the hope that some invisible being would save me if things got bad. However, I replaced praying with actually doing something.

Now I know you think Satan makes me say this stuff. Or you think I am just misinformed. But maybe.. just maybe, I am not. I try to use reason and logic. If those are the tools of Satan, then what does that say of God?

Quath

 

[Guest]

That has no bearing on true christians or on God!!!
people may behave in evil ways at times,but that is not God's fault or the Bible's fault. The Bible tells us how a man who accidently kills another man might escape from punishment. God is good,and always full of mercy. He knows the true motives of us all.

Just to clear it up. God says that if you accidentally kill someone, you should not be killed for that crime. Well, if the victims family kills you, then that is ok. So God only gives a sporting chance that the accidental killer survives. (I would think that a moralistic God would say that a person should be punished or not... not base it on if certain people can catch him.)

Quath

:B-fly: So then,unborn babies deserve justice for their murders too,right?
or does it just mean that if you are the biggest,you get to make all the rules? Killing a life is not justified by pregnant women who want abortions,so should someone related to the unborn baby kill the woman who ended the life of the baby?

 

[Guest]

:o Quath,I don't have to prove God to you or anyone.
I believe him,thats my life and my choice,and I have made it.
Logic is good as long as you are aware that God exists,if not,you can make sense out of anything,like when you smoke Marajaunna. Some people think they have great ideas and thoughts when they smoke this stuff,ect... satan tries his best to appeal to human logic!!!
Q',you were not satisfied with what you feel you have learned about God,you took the word of God to mean something totally different than what I and most christians believe it to mean.
satan causes signs and wonders and visions.
People think they see visions of mary,but how odd,she looks different every time. some people claim they have seen demons,and maybe in some cases they have. Demons exist,so people can see them and even hear them at times.
I have heard demons tell me that I would not be heard when I was praying.
So,in this crazy world today,you will just have to figure things out on your own if you do not believe in God.
I just hope one day you realize how real God truly is,and how easy it is to be wrong about him when your motives are wrong.
You cannot understand the things of God with a bad attitude.
Do not grieve the spirit!
When you have a society that doesn't want God in the schools or in their families,you have to ask why God didn't help them?
God in all his wisdom knows the heart of every person,and what you believe will determine what happens to you after this life.
You wanted God to prove himself to you,even though you did not humble yourself to him. You wanted proof,as if the creation of the world wasn't enough for you.
My experience is not like yours. God did show he is real to me,but I didn't demand he do it.
I have had experiences that I am sure alot of people wish they had in order to know if God is real or not,but it is better to believe without seeing. Faith is a great thing to God.
I am in no way better than those who have not seen,and yet they believe.They are better than me according to the bible and I believe it.
God doesn't have to prove himself. Those that do see eveidence of God beyond what we already have,such as creation is all it's glory,There must be a great reason for it. Paul also had a special revelation,but it doesn't mean everyone will,does it?
God sent his only begotten son,and the son sent us the holy Ghost.
I am sorry you cannot see the reality of God in your life,but you say you are happy being an atheist. I do not hate you or dislike you, I don't approve of the lifestyle that you have chosen for yourself because I know it will hurt you,and possibly those who really do love you.
But you do not have to worry about my opinion,I cannot tell you what you must believe. I hate to see you end up miserable,because I know from the bible that this world is going exactly as the bible said it would.
The one world religiou system won't allow atheists,can't you see that yet?
What do you think inter-faithism is all about today? What does it mean in the world now by a hate crime?
Why do they want to make laws againts people who don't accept the religious views of others? Notice,it's religious views!!!
many false religions are now being called true religions,and they have so many out there,it could be hard to tell who the true church really is,but thats where prayer and faith also come in.
If you are truly seeking God,you will find him.
Thats what happened to me.
I got to the point that I really wanted to know God,I was being convicted of all my wrong doing,and I knew I couldn't live the way I was living anymore,I needed help. God sent someone to talk to me,and I haven't looked back.
It's more than the church you are in or the people you are around,it's a one on one relationship with God that you need.
Man can help you,but it's God who can light the way for you as he did for me. God is calling all his children right now more and more,and things are starting to happen. Not everyone will hear the call of God,but if your heart has any tenderness in it at all,you will hear God calling you,this is for real,not a joke,though we live in a world of babel,or confusion right now.
You said that nature is neither good or bad. The Bible tells us the rain falls on the good and the bad,so go figure,huh?

 

[ThinkerMan]

It feels good being an atheist. Not just because I can sin and not worry. (I worry about harming people instead of following rules.) But I no longer had to wonder why God watched as a little 8 year old girl was gang raped and got aids from it and He did nothing. I no longer had to wonder why God watch children die in a tornado and didn't help or stop it. After all, God was very active in the OT, why did He not care anymore.

But being an atheist, I understand why all this happens now. I understand that nature is neither good nor bad. I did lose in the hope that some invisible being would save me if things got bad. However, I replaced praying with actually doing something.

Quath....great post. That mirrors most the feelings I have (and have had).

Many people can't handle the idea that things happen simply because they happen. If one is able to understand that and still live life without the promise of reward at some point in the afterlife, it can be a good life indeed.

 

[Soma-Sight]

blue,

Dont let fear be the deciding factor in your faith.

Being afraid of anything outside of your prescibed paradigm will lead to no new growth as well as simply going through life being brainwashed by whoever looks the best at the pulpit.

Your moral choices are fine! Not believing in sex with many partners, immorality, killing, rape, etc are all great for an ethical standard.

But just remember that the whole science of Biology rests on the premise of evolution.

There really is no way to debate the "wrongs" of microevolution. The evidence for it and speciation, adaptation, etc are present EVERYWHERE. Macroevolution is another matter.

Learn more about the theory before you bash anothers belief system and threathen them with pitchforks in the colon.

 

[Guest]

blue,

Dont let fear be the deciding factor in your faith.

Being afraid of anything outside of your prescibed paradigm will lead to no new growth as well as simply going through life being brainwashed by whoever looks the best at the pulpit.

Your moral choices are fine! Not believing in sex with many partners, immorality, killing, rape, etc are all great for an ethical standard.

But just remember that the whole science of Biology rests on the premise of evolution.

There really is no way to debate the "wrongs" of microevolution. The evidence for it and speciation, adaptation, etc are present EVERYWHERE. Macroevolution is another matter.

Learn more about the theory before you bash anothers belief system and threathen them with pitchforks in the colon.

:B-fly: Hey'lovey, I am not being fearful at all.
If you truly believe that is what science is teaching you and that this is all true,who can tell you other-wise? Have you ever listened to any christian scientists who believe in the young earth? Or are you biased to what you wish were true,and what you want to believe?
You have your mind made up,right? Bashing is a strong word. I don't think I am doing that, I am just trying to help people be cautious of the tricks,lies,and sceames of the devil. He is real,and he is a liar.

 

[Guest]

But being an atheist, I understand why all this happens now. I understand that nature is neither good nor bad. I did lose in the hope that some invisible being would save me if things got bad. However, I replaced praying with actually doing something. [/quote]

Quath....great post. That mirrors most the feelings I have (and have had).

:Fade-color Now I understand finally what you believe in.
Thinkerman,I am not a christian because I am seeking a reward.
I am a christian because I believe God is right,and because I love life,and because I want to love others. I think life has much more meaning and purpose.

 

[Guest]

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Learn more about the theory before you bash anothers belief system and threathen them with pitchforks in the colon.[/quote]

:o Pitchforks? Atheists can't be afraid of something they don't believe in can they?
I don't believe in pitchforks being connected with the devil,although why give him another idea? atheists aren't afraid of going to the lake of fire,are they? so why would anyone accuse a christian of trying to make one afraid of it,if they can't be?

 

[ThinkerMan]

But being an atheist, I understand why all this happens now. I understand that nature is neither good nor bad. I did lose in the hope that some invisible being would save me if things got bad. However, I replaced praying with actually doing something.

Quath....great post. That mirrors most the feelings I have (and have had).

:Fade-color Now I understand finally what you believe in.
Thinkerman,I am not a christian because I am seeking a reward.
I am a christian because I believe God is right,and because I love life,and because I want to love others. I think life has much more meaning and purpose.[/quote]

So if you KNEW that you were going to hell, you would still be a Christian and love God? I ask this because, I assume, you believe you are "saved" and going to heaven anyway.

 

[Guest]

But being an atheist, I understand why all this happens now. I understand that nature is neither good nor bad. I did lose in the hope that some invisible being would save me if things got bad. However, I replaced praying with actually doing something.

you were going to hell, you would still be a Christian and love God? I ask this because, I assume, you believe you are "saved" and going to heaven anyway.

:B-fly: Thinkerman,thinkerman,thinker man,you know I did not write a post that says i'm an atheist. I am not an atheist,so you may want to correct that quote you copied that someone else wrote.
:Fade-color I thought I might go to the lake of fire when I wasn't saved,but I don't think that if I thought God wasn't real that it would bother me. why be worried about the lake of fire if you don't believe there is a God to put you there? makes no sense!
I believe you would have to have some kind of faith to believe that the lake of fire is a real place before you could worry that you might go there.
My being saved had alot to do with the fact that I was on the side of right than on the side of wrong,and God believes everything I do about right and wrong only he has more right to believe it than I do,and he has the right to judge,not me.
I had to get over alot of bondages,and all sorts of issues though,and the only way I could was to humble myself. We cannot be humble if we are full of pride and self righteousness.
I believe I may go to Heaven before coming back to earth,true.
If you cannot be humble before The LORD almighty right now,or soon,you'll learn just how arrogance and puffiness will be to your demise.

 

[ThinkerMan]

Blue...I didn't quote it right, I apologize.


You ALMOST answered my question.

You stated that the reward (heaven) is not why you are a Christian. It is because you love God that you are a Christian, not the reward.

My question is hypothetical. Just like you knew you are going to heaven, if you knew you were going to hell, would you have the same feelings about God. Would you love him?

I'm just suprised that the promise of eternal bliss has nothing to do with the fact that you are Christian.

 

[Quath]

Quath,I don't have to prove God to you or anyone.
I believe him,thats my life and my choice,and I have made it.

In general, I don't care what people believe as long as it is not doing them too much harm. I only worry that people that believe in an invisible being are voting for things that affect me. Imagine if you were Christian in a pagan world. How would you feel about people that believe that Diana, Zeus, Thor, etc were real? Not only that, they voted according to how these gods wanted them to vote.

Logic is good as long as you are aware that God exists,if not,you can make sense out of anything

You are acting like logic is different by who uses it. If an atheist quotes part of the Bible and points out a problem, how is that different from a Christian doing the exact same thing?

God,you took the word of God to mean something totally different than what I and most christians believe it to mean.

I don't know why you think that. I believed in God and thought He was real. I prayed and wanted to be good for Him. I loved the idea that He was up there looking after me. However, I also loved the idea of Santa Claus. Eventually, I realized that Santa was not real. By the same process, I realized God was not either.

satan causes signs and wonders and visions.

I have not seen any proof of Satan either. In fact, proof of Satan would help out with the proof of God.

When you have a society that doesn't want God in the schools or in their families,you have to ask why God didn't help them?
God in all his wisdom knows the heart of every person,and what you believe will determine what happens to you after this life.

So in the case where the little girl is being gang raped and later gets AIDS. (Real story. I think she was 8.). Why did God not intervene? She had not worshiped Him enough or in the right way? Did He have any compassion towards this little girl to help her out? How can God be called a father, when He would not do something basic like help His children?

Now compare this to the OT where God sends 2 bears to kill 42 children because they called some guy bald. Why is God so active to slaughter children in the OT but completely ignores hurting or helping them today?

You wanted God to prove himself to you,even though you did not humble yourself to him. You wanted proof,as if the creation of the world wasn't enough for you.

Oh. I was quote humble in asking for a sign. I didn't want anything big... just proof. After all, God proved Himself to the priests of Bhaal. Jesus proved himself to Doubting Thomas. I was actually asking for just a less than these people received.

The one world religiou system won't allow atheists,can't you see that yet?
What do you think inter-faithism is all about today? What does it mean in the world now by a hate crime?
Why do they want to make laws againts people who don't accept the religious views of others? Notice,it's religious views!!!

The world is becoming more secular. That is not religious. It just means that one religion or belief system should not influence government.

Quath

 

[Guest]

Blue...I didn't quote it right, I apologize.


You ALMOST answered my question.

You stated that the reward (heaven) is not why you are a Christian. It is because you love God that you are a Christian, not the reward.

My question is hypothetical. Just like you knew you are going to heaven, if you knew you were going to hell, would you have the same feelings about God. Would you love him?

I'm just suprised that the promise of eternal bliss has nothing to do with the fact that you are Christian.

:B-fly: Thinkerman,of course having a happy life forever sweetens the pot,but it's not all there is to it. It's most important to try to see things from God's point of view and love him for who he is and what he stands for. If I thought I was going to the lake of fire and I didn't want to go there,I'd hope I'd want to get right with God!
If I didn't love him,I would need to try to love him.
You don't just love God over night in most cases,it's like any relationship,it takes time. You learn to love God,and you love him more as you learn,grow and begin to understand.
You learn how to forgive by asking God to help you do it,you cannot do it alone or in your own strength!!!
When you have made the choice to choose to love God,that doesn't mean you feel the love right away,it is a choice that you will choose to love him. It grows over time. God is good,and he loves us,and when you get over yourself and realize that you are not it!!! and that God has every right to be who he is,you may begin to learn and grow.
We have to get past ourselves!

 

[Barbarian]

I believe the bible is telling us about a young earth,I do not believe man's interpretation.

Yes, that is what you believe. You have taken a man's interpretation of Genesis, and substituted it for God's word. No matter how much you want it to be, it is what it is.

I do not care what religions you defend at all.

It's called "Christianity."

I believe what the 7th day adventists say about the pagan days.

You also believe what they say about creation, in spite of what God tells you in Genesis.

If you truly believe that the Roman catholic church is right about history,ect.... then you have not done your home work!

I've spent a lot of years studying it. What does the Church say about history today that is wrong?

I believe God,Jesus Christ,and The Holy Spirit,

That's what Christians believe. The other stuff about "ex nihilo" creation of life is just man's invention.

and the way I read the bible suggests a young earth to me,amen.

It's not going to send you to hell. But it will make it harder for you to get close to God.

 

[Guest]

I only worry that people that believe in an invisible being are voting for things that affect me. Imagine if you were Christian in a pagan world. How would you feel about people that believe that Diana, Zeus, Thor, etc were real? Not only that, they voted according to how these gods wanted them to vote.

:angel: Quath',HELLO'............
I am a christian living in a pagan world,and the pagans do vote for people I cannot tolerate in leadership positions!!!
what do you think I am talking about?
What do you think the Clinton nightmare for 8 long years was about?
It is a pagan world,not just pagans in America,they are everywhere globally,and they do worship these false gods/goddesses right now,in todays time. They are here,and they are growing in number I have heard.
what do you think we all endured when Clinton abused the white house and babies were aborted and their body parts were being sold to the highest bidder? :o
look on the internet. You can find all the pagans advertising their views!

 

[Guest]

:o Quath,you have a whole arsenol of problems. One of which you think we should all think like you do so you can score some brownie points with your fellow atheists. You may even belong to the American atheists club?
Also,I did not use God in any sentence that looks like I am using this name in vain,so it would be nice for you to correct that when you quote me!!!
It is clear that you enjoy trying to twist God's holy word to fit your agenda,but some of us have read the bible more than once,so why don't you stop telling lies about God and his word?

Get real,how can an atheist be able to understand scriptures from the bible,when the bible tells us that those who do not love the truth will not understand it?
Did Thomas demand God to show him a sign?
You are not going to lower God down to your level no matter what you try to do. It isn't going to happen,amen.
So now it's God's fault when people rape the innocent?
Oh',I get it,you blame it on God because you don't think those who abused that little girl should be pumished for this crime,right?
You should know that Bush was in favor of the death penalty,so should these heathens who molested this little girl be killed or not?
Does God say that the innocent should be raped? Those you call innocent were not innocent by any means,yet you called them innocent!!!
Now you tell a very sad story about a little girl who was gang raped and caught AID's,and you try to blame it on God!!! The nerve! How dare you say this about God!
My brother Lloyd died of AID's! I am so happy he turned to God and got saved,and lived three more years instead of the 6 months or less that the Doctors said he had!
During those three years,my brother got back his eyesight,he could walk again,he got his memory back,and when he did die,he still had his mind and his memory,he learned more about the bible,and he learned scriptures,and he was a saved man,amen. All this happened after he expressed faith in God and baptism,and he wanted to be baptised. After that,miracles happened in his life. He was also still able to write letters until the very end. He loved to write.
How dare any one blame God for the wickedness in this world!
My Brother died of AID's in 8/2/1999.
He did not blame God for it!
He was an atheist who was saved,and I am so happy that we had three more years with him. Lloyd didn't get very sick again until he died.

 

[Guest]

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Notice,it's religious views!!![/quote]
The world is becoming more secular. Quath[/quote]
:Fade-color The world Q',is not more secular as it once was,though the evil of the secular is increasing through pagan false religion and false religious views and they are growing like wild fire.
I didn't say the world was becoming more religious in a good way,but it claims all religious views now,and it's going to get worse.
The Apostasy sure does appear to be here now,and with all these false religions taking over,where will the atheists fit in?
It will be a hate crime if you tell people they are wrong for believing in a god!