[_ Old Earth _] Failure of the "evolution" religion

[Guest]

please shut up. quote]

:B-fly: I am going to ask you one more time to be more polite!
You don't tell me to shut up!
You also have no right to jump in for anyone here.
stick to your own debate for once!
Where is your evidence about Bush and the skull & bones accusations?
if you want to step in on that debate,go to the correct area for it.

 

[cubedbee]

http://www.paganspath.com

Be careful which website's you link to. This website is a pro-pagan site. They describe themselves here: http://www.paganspath.com/index2.htm

The purpose of this web site is to freely share the knowledge, wisdom and diversity of neo-Pagan concepts with individuals who are interested in spiritual living. We offer some tid-bits and ideas for "how to" improve your own knowledge and awareness, to empower yourself through your own abilities and your own spiritual growth. You will find a wide range of studies in a variety of metaphysical and magikal subjects, such as Anatomy of the Soul, Karma, Kundilini, Meditation, Psychic Development, Psychic Tools and Divination, Holistic Healing, Reiki, Witchcraft, Celtic Shamanism, Wiccan, Norse and Celtic Traditions, as well as, basic pagan principles and belief.

 

[Guest]

Blue,

There is an inherant problem with your debating tactics that I hope you can come to understand.

Your defense of most of your positions are two-fold.

1. You state unequivicly that your knowledge, and your ability to determine correct from incorrect and false from true comes solely from god, even in secular matters. TV, CNN, every piece of evidence is filtered through your "God-glasses".

This doesn't nothing to strenthen your point. If this is your "source" for your positions, then you should not be debating at all. Simply believe them and move on. They do ABSOLUTELY nothing to change the views or perspectives of others on this forum, either christians or non-christians.

:B-fly: 1.) Where is your evidence for starters that I ever claimed to have more intelligence than others? I said I am not ignorant,because you called me ignorant. Those that do the most name calling are ignorant,and you don't have to be a genius to know it!
2.) Offending others right off the bat is a very poor way to debate with people.
3.) Trying to get others involved in your arguments and/or insite others to agree with you against another person is a very cheap shot at trying to win a debate.
4.) When did I say I was out to change the views of others? I just said I hope more people will come to accept The Lord Jesus Christ,and be aware of the times we are living in today.
5.) saying that others have no right to debate simply because they do not have your debating style down pat,is very unkind and very rude. While you insult others,you ignore my questions and you rarely give any answers.
If I knew what you believed in for once,it might help the debate go smoother,but you fail to say what you views are,you just go in for a kill,and start accusing people,and call them ugly names. you use insults quite often to try and drive in a point,and your aggresive nature seems to control you instead of you controling it.
The Bible again proves itself correct. Those who truly serve the Lord have self control.

 

[Guest]

http://www.paganspath.com

Be careful which website's you link to. This website is a pro-pagan site. They describe themselves here: http://www.paganspath.com/index2.htm

:angel: Yes,I know. Now can someone tell us if this web site is correct with what it says about pagans or not?

 

[cubedbee]

It seems to be a site run by a practicing Pagan that offers advice and guidance on Paganism, so I don't have a reason to doubt that it is true. There are at least a couple people who are either witches or ex-witches on this board. If you want to discuss any of the particulars of the Pagan religion, you would probably get a response by starting a new thread in the Christianity and Other Religions section.

 

[Guest]

Otherwise, please shut up. None of the links you have so far provided address this issue.[/quote]

: stop telling me what to do and to shut up if I don't do it,when I have already told you the answer,and telling me what to do is not the work you should be trying to do for God anyway!
This was not about atheists increasing or decreasing, I said they will decrease,so read more carefully.
I don't know if we have an acurate picture at this time of how many atheists there are,but I don't believe what liberals say about it.
I don't think we have an acurate number about how many atheists are in the world,but my point was that they will be called the haters and intolerant of the religious views of others,and that there won't be many left in the furure. I believe that most of us can see this happening when the one world religion is in control.
Can you prove that this won't happen?
I believe it will happen based on the facts that religious tolerance must be observed and those who won't tolerate the religious views of others won't be tolerated anymore. It doesn't matter if it's false religion or not because false religion is in today,and true christianity is losing ground. If you are an atheist or someone who says that Jesus is the "ONLY WAY" to God,you will be considered a hater and intolerant,and even a terrorist.
All religions are trying to unite and join together now.
They just published a politically Correct Bible in England now. :Fade-color

 

[Guest]

It seems to be a site run by a practicing Pagan that offers advice and guidance on Paganism, so I don't have a reason to doubt that it is true. There are at least a couple people who are either witches or ex-witches on this board. If you want to discuss any of the particulars of the Pagan religion, you would probably get a response by starting a new thread in the Christianity and Other Religions section.

:bday: And my point was.........?
I know that there are others here with different views,and I give them a chance to decide if the website is true or not.
So,websites run by people of the same faith are most likely truthful then?

 

[Guest]

There are at least a couple people who are either witches or ex-witches on this board. If you want to discuss any of the particulars of the Pagan religion, you would probably get a response by starting a new thread in the Christianity and Other Religions section.[/quote]

:Fade-color P.S. you do not have to be a witch to be pagan!
many churches are pagan all the way up to their heads and yet they don't even know it yet,and some don't care,and others don't think it's wrong anymore! The world has all kinds of pagans in it.

 

[cubedbee]

blue,

I am uncertain on how you are using the word pagan. Could you please provide me one example of a church that is pagan. What particular beliefs or practices makes a church pagan?

 

[Guest]

pagans

:B-fly: I'd like to point out that many people are pagan and not aware of it. I was one of them a few years ago,and my flesh didn't want to give it up. I was raised up on these fairy tales and fables and I didn't want to let them go,even though my mind knew they were childish and didn't make sense. They even call these days Holy days or now Holidays,yet only God can make a day holy,not man.
A good man by the name of Richard Rives helped us know the truth.
http://www.toolong.com
he has an excellent book that teaches the truth in an easy to understand way. For those that want to know about Babylon and all her false teachings,this is a good place to start.
You will also learn how getting out of Babylon helps break curses in your lives and how it makes your walk with The Lord alot better,and it gives you more joy to be free of the traditions of men. You really feel free!

 

[cubedbee]

So,websites run by people of the same faith are most likely truthful then?

Yes. People are going to be honest about their own beliefs. You wouldn't make up a website that lied about your beliefs. Neither would a Muslim or a Pagan or a Hindu. If you want to know what a pagan really believes, you need to hear it from a pagan.

 

[Guest]

too long in the sun

:angel: Fellow believers in Christ Jesus,I don't know what you all think about this,but I do personally believe that God is indeed calling all of us out of Babylon. It seems stronger than ever that God is saying we all must get out of her,so we do not partake in her sins.
Why would God call us out of her if we were willingly partaking in her sins?
We are not aware of her and her teachings most of the time,especially if we were raised on them. God is calling us out of Babylon because he knows that most of us were decieved,and don't know any better.
God wants us to flee from man made traditions,and to serve him the way he really wants us to.
Because we are no longer under the law,it does not appear that we must observe an holy day,but there are those who will say that you do. Beware of the wolves in sheeps clothes out there when you find out the truth.
If possible,please get the book by Richard Rives,: Too long in The Sun.
P.S. the only draw back to Richard Rives book is that it is suggested that we observe the sabbath. From what I read in the book of Romans,I personally don't think you have too,but let this be a personal choice. Thats the only thing that I disagree with,but the rest of the book is very good.

 

[Guest]

blue,

I am uncertain on how you are using the word pagan. Could you please provide me one example of a church that is pagan. What particular beliefs or practices makes a church pagan?

:Fade-color It's any belief that came out of ancient Babylon and still being practiced today.
I believe there are so many that it would take all day to list them,but the basic ones are simple.Why not get the book or look it all up on the internet?
There are many who are not aware of these things and it does take time to understand and accept the truth when you first hear about it.
Even the Encyclopedias have them all listed,are almost all of them. But I do not wish to offend those who are still doing these things so it is best they learn about them from other sources. After all,I was saved when I was still doing them,it's just a matter of being called out of Babylon,because I believe God is calling all of his children out. On some of my posts I have listed a few of them,but I have a feeling you don't exactly have my best interest at heart by asking me such a question,given the nature of our relationship.

 

[Guest]

Yes. People are going to be honest about their own beliefs. You wouldn't make up a website that lied about your beliefs. Neither would a Muslim or a Pagan or a Hindu. If you want to know what a pagan really believes, you need to hear it from a pagan.[/quote]

:B-fly: Perhaps,but there are all kinds of pagans.
There are many kinds of christians too.
Some christians do pagan things and don't know it,and some christians are already aware of what paganism is,and is not.
The Catholic Church is full to the brim with paganism. Constantine mixed the truth with a lie,and God hates this. Man made doctrines and dogmattas. Pagan rituals,chants,ect....
That is not to say that all Catholics are aware of this.
I am also not saying that they are all bad people either.
The Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe they are pagans,yet they worship an angel. They also believe doctrines made by man.

 

[Barbarian]

[quote[Perhaps,but there are all kinds of pagans.[/quote]

We all have our idols.

There are many kinds of christians too.
Some christians do pagan things and don't know it,and some christians are already aware of what paganism is,and is not.

Did you know YE creationim, as it is taugh it America, is the belief invented by a Seventh-day Adventist, according to the visions of a "prophetess?" Most creationists don't.

The Catholic Church is full to the brim with paganism. Constantine mixed the truth with a lie,and God hates this. Man made doctrines and dogmattas. Pagan rituals,chants,ect....

Ah, a bigot. Is anyone surprised?

That is not to say that all Catholics are aware of this.

Catholics have a more historical view of faith than most Christians.

I am also not saying that they are all bad people, either.

We are all sinners. None of us is "good."

The Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe they are pagans,yet they worship an angel. They also believe doctrines made by man.

So do you. Your guy is George McCreedy Price. He invented YE creationim and like an antiPaul, spread it far and wide among evangelical Christians.

If you learn about the foundations of your beliefs, you would not be very pleased.

 

[Guest]

[quote[Perhaps,but there are all kinds of pagans.

:Fade-color I believe the bible is telling us about a young earth,I do not believe man's interpretation.
I do not care what religions you defend at all.
I believe what the 7th day adventists say about the pagan days.
If you truly believe that the Roman catholic church is right about history,ect.... then you have not done your home work!

:Fade-color I believe God,Jesus Christ,and The Holy Spirit,and the way I read the bible suggests a young earth to me,amen.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

It certainly seemed to suggest that the universe was geocentric in centuries past. And that it was a ethically palpable idea to conquer nonchristian african nations during the end of the 19thC.
Oh and have you ever heard of manifest destiny. One of the worst genocides in history happened on the soil of nation you live in because white settlers could morally justify themselves.

 

[Guest]

If you learn about the foundations of your beliefs, you would not be very pleased.[/quote]



:B-fly: You are so mistaken. I have learned about the foundations of my faith,and this is why I have so much confidence in it,amen.

I also know that the pagans tried to copy the christians,not the other way around,and research teaches us this. Christians were around long before the words of the holy bible were written.
The Bible stands apart and seperate from all other so called religius doctrines,ect...
There is none like the holy bible,amen.
Also,look at all the good people hundreds of years ago who gave up their lives for the gospel of Jesus Christ,Lord and Savior. Foxe's book of Martyrs is a very good book to read.

 

[Guest]

It certainly seemed to suggest that the universe was geocentric in centuries past. And that it was a ethically palpable idea to conquer nonchristian african nations during the end of the 19thC.
Oh and have you ever heard of manifest destiny. One of the worst genocides in history happened on the soil of nation you live in because white settlers could morally justify themselves.

:angel: That has no bearing on true christians or on God!!!
people may behave in evil ways at times,but that is not God's fault or the Bible's fault. The Bible tells us how a man who accidently kills another man might escape from punishment. God is good,and always full of mercy. He knows the true motives of us all.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Also,look at all the good people hundreds of years ago who gave up their lives for the gospel of Jesus Christ,Lord and Savior

Might I point out the millions who lost their lives for the same reasons.
Deus le VOLT!

That has no bearing on true christians

Yes it does. True christians are people who base their beliefs or morality on the teachings of Jeshua ben Joseph. This includes NAZIs, Crusaders, Nuns, Monks, European Nobles throughout the centuries, the aid organizations that are concentrating their efforts on helping the citizens of poor starving third world nations and the crazy idiots who go and bomb abortion clinics are all christians.

people may behave in evil ways at times,but that is not God's fault

Funny I thought one of the things you people believed in was the idea that God created everything including evil and human predisposition to be awful. You christians give God ultimate responsibility for the entire universe and everything that goes on inside it as well as the ability to change it and the complete knowledge of everything that goes on. If you know your subordinate is going to kill someone and you knew it since he was hired and he goes and does it, that does make you at least partly responsible, even moreso if you knew he was planning this when you hired him.

The Bible tells us how a man who accidently kills another man might escape from punishment.

The conquistadors didn't just accidently destroy Aztec civilization, the settlers didn't just accidently commit genocide against entire tribes of Native americans. The crusaders didn't just accidently kill 40000 people when they sacked Jerusalem.

My point here is that all these people had full justification from a religious perspective based on their interpretation of your holy book. You can't just wave your hand and say they weren't good so they couldn't have had 'true' divine right, because you say yourself that you cannot know god's true intentions, that he is mysterious.

What I conclude from this is that no rational or ethical decision or scientific conclusion ought to be justified by the bible because its interpretation is subjective and that any rational or ethical or scientific statement based solely on the bible hasn't got a logical foundation to stand on.