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Even if it seems redundant please post or re-post the scripture being discussed..
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Even if it seems redundant please post or re-post the scripture being discussed..
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I pity the person who teaches others that they can sin willfully and wantonly, even denying Christ who saved them, and they will still be saved on the Day of Wrath. The believer who takes that doctrine to heart and does just what they were taught (sins willfully, denying Christ) will be destroyed, and so will the person who taught it to them.
I wished you'd commented on the fact that Paul defined eternal life as a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and that God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29).So you believe a lying cheating person goes to heaven... in spite of The Revelation 21:8 .. Thanks that clears up a lot for me…
All because of God's grace and His gifts being irrevocable. Why does that bother some so much?In that line of thinking .. Christian Joe could be doing all the above drop dead.. defy the above scripture and be in heaven..
I do hope any conclusion will be based strictly on what Scripture says, not one's "heart" or emotions.I have gone back and forth over this topic for years and years ... I am coming to a conclusion.
My interest is only on what Scripture says about our salvation; not the opinions of others. If there a verse that convinces one about losing salvation over *habitual* lying? Not even Rev 21:8 says that.I believe that being an *habitual* liar can most definitely lose ones salvation.
I'm quite aware of those who believe that. So, what Scripture contradicts itself to support that idea? Remember, eternal life is a gift of God that is irrevocable.As you know, there are those of us that believe one can, as a lifestyle and without concern commit those sins and head straight to Hell because of it.
The key in that verse is the word "unbelieving". That's what gets one thrown into the lake of fire. Because one obtains eternal life through faith. Those who have received eternal life cannot have it revoked.I mean that's what the verse says after all, if not, what do you think it means to "have a part in the lake of fire" as mentioned in Rev 21:8 ?
I wished you'd commented on the fact that Paul defined eternal life as a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and that God's gifts are irrevocable
This forum REQUIRES one to cite Scripture when making a claim. I see no verse to support your claim.Jesus refutes your premise that all believers are saved as soon as they believe.
He never described any of that crowd as believers. In fact, that's what they never did; believe in Him for eternal life.Jesus said not all believers shall enter the kingdom, only those who do the will of the Father. Mt. 7:21
What does this mean? Of course it is a promise. And God never breaks His promise. Irrevocable means exactly that.As a promise it is irrevocable.
And through all that, eternal life is irrevocable. Period.Why do you think Paul quoted the Scripture regarding the covenant God made with Jacob and his descendants? God will take away the sins of Jacob. Ro. 11:26,27 So Paul is saying the covenant and therefore the promise of eternal life has not been revoked. So the covenant God made with Jacob/Israel still stands.
Another dogmatic statement yet without any Scripture. There are many religious people today who easily call Him Lord yet reject the idea that He gives eternal life to those who believe in Him for it.No. Non believers would never call him Lord. Only believers call him Lord.
The crowd in Matt 7:21-23.What does this mean? Who views him as Lord and not as Saviour?
All those who repent and believe the Gospel receive the gift of eternal life, and once that gift is given it is not taken back (Rom 6:23).Do you think God gives the gift of eternal life to just anyone? Or are there conditions?
Absolutely there is a condition; believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, per Acts 16:31. John 5:24, 6:40, 6:47, 11:25-27, 20:31.Do you think God gives the gift of eternal life to just anyone? Or are there conditions?
Even those that believe for a moment but then succumb to the flesh? Just asking.Absolutely there is a condition; believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, per Acts 16:31. John 5:24, 6:40, 6:47, 11:25-27, 20:31.
Everyone who believes receives the gift. John 3:15,16.
The scripture saysI wished you'd commented on the fact that Paul defined eternal life as a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and that God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29).
All because of God's grace and His gifts being irrevocable. Why does that bother some so much?
Where does the Bible say that if any of God's children "defy Scripture" and He will kill their ETERNAL life? It doesn't. Simple as that.
I do hope any conclusion will be based strictly on what Scripture says, not one's "heart" or emotions.
My interest is only on what Scripture says about our salvation; not the opinions of others.
Absolutely there is a condition; believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, per
I think my conclusion, right now, is similar to your's.The conclusion i have come too.
We are more saved than I was taught in the AoG.We are more saved then i was taught growing.
We may differ here a little. I believe that only by the Greek definition of 'willful' sin, does one give up their salvation.Sorta as in there is a difference between a slip and setting out to sin
I believe we can reject it, just as an unbeliever has rejected it. (speaking of the Gospel) Hebrews 6:4-6But we can walk away from Him... As did the Children of Israel ...
This is what I see...unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,
That's not what Scripture talks about. There must be (1) genuine repentance (turning away from sins and idols), (2) genuine believing on Christ and His finished work of redemption, and (3) genuine receiving Him as Lord and Savior. This produces the New Birth, so it is never a momentary, fleeting whim. Furthermore those who are truly saved are also commanded to be baptized as believers. That means they also "walk in newness of life" (Rom 6:4).Even those that believe for a moment but then succumb to the flesh? Just asking.
Water baptism is an outward declaration of what one professes has happened in their spirit.Furthermore those who are truly saved are also commanded to be baptized as believers. That means they also "walk in newness of life" (Rom 6:4).
Do you have a scripture about daily confession of sin?must repent and confess their sins daily
Agreed.There will be those who say "Lord, Lord" but they do not "know" Christ and He does not "know" them.
We are more saved than I was taught in the AoG.
We all succumb to the flesh in various amounts, degrees, and such. But Romans has been crystal clear: eternal life is a gift of God, and God's gifts are irrevocable.Even those that believe for a moment but then succumb to the flesh? Just asking.
Is this a suggestion that Scripture contradicts itself? I know that eternal life is a gift of God that is irrevocable, so everything else must be understood in light of what Paul so clearly communicated.The scripture says
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.