Edward
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Females As Leaders/Pastors Of Males In Evangelical Churches.
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Edward
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There's no Facepalm Smiley. That would've been better Lol.
When I came back I supported women. I still support women in the ministry. I named the good women in the Bible. I will however quote scripture. I am not going to yea but like some. If you will read the previous post there is enough there to get started on the futl view.
Calm down, I am not anti female in ministry. If ya’ll will tell me when to speak, I will discuss the issue long term.
Got to love the challenge.
eddif
It is Paul's explanation of his POV that makes me agree.
The woman came after the man, and she sinned first.
You are adding your own interpretation to scripture.
I cannot agree with you against what is written clearly in 1 Tim 2:12.
1 out of 4 isn't a good average.
Nowhere in scripture will you find Phoebe, Junia, or Priscilla in your appointments.
Women can prophesy without leading men.
They cannot exercise authority over men, as it is written..."Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (1 Tim 2:12-14)
We have Paul's command, and we have his reason for making it.
So, please ask yourself, was Paul "of God"?
Did he have the Spirit of God?
Were his words Spiritually provoked/caused?
As Paul wrote to the Corinthians, I will repeat to you..."If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." (1 Cor 14:37)
Though they were cited as prophetesses, it isn't written that they prophesied while Paul stayed at Philip's home. (Acts 21:8-9)
Do you consider Paul a prophet?
(I do)
I consider Paul an APOSTLE - which is a couple notches up from PROPHET - but no doubt he was a PROPHET also - he wanted all the believers to covet the best gifts and wanted ALL to prophesy
who was it that said "Would that all God's people were prophets" ?
who was it that said "Would that all God's people were prophets" ?
(It was Moses)
Edward
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To get technical they both sinned at the same time because they were as one and Man and Wife. So she brought trouble home but it was both their problem. And Adam loved his Wife so much he actually honored her by partaking and joining her by her side and not letting her stand alone for the punishment.
How could he not? She was the only girl around at the time so yeah, you bet he loved her.
How often do we try to justify or negate our offenses using the "He did it first" argument. It doesn't matter who did it first. If one sins, he/she is guilty just the same.
Northman
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Romans 16:7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me. (ESV)
Romans 16:7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews, who were in prison with me. They are highly respected among the apostles and became followers of Christ before I did. (NLT)
Reading comprehension issue. I'm highly respected amongst a certain community in my area, even though I don't belong to it.
12 gates, 12 apostles, 12 names on them.
Some names can be used the same for males.
Do you think women would share the same prison cell with the men?
Does noting them who are of note among the apostles mean they are apostles too or that those two were noted by the apostles as heard about and known among them?
Romans 16:7 KJV
Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Not sure why he would address them as kinsmen in plural if one of them was actually a woman.
For some reason, I doubt Junia was a woman even though I am sure that name has been used for a woman too.
Northman
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Not really sure what this is about. I feel like this statement just doesn't get the pulse of the place. What it is ALL about is command/being boss/authority. Jesus clearly states the order of things and it doesn't matter if we live in a country that has sinfully allowed women to have collective say over their husbands(voting). It's still wrong and in an open state of disobedience.
While I would say ANYONE reaching for authority over others is suspect, girls are under a curse, Genesis 3:16, and it's ok to not obey them and understand why they vehemently seek power. Anyone married for any length of time understands this curse.
Again, this is NOT about simply sharing the gospel. Anyone can and should do that.
12 has nothing to do with it. I and many people are respected by a certain community even though we do not live there so don't see your point. You seem to be saying, if I am not wrong, since the original 12 are no longer alive then there are no more apostles?
A disciple is a student who learns from a teacher. An apostle means messenger who delivers those teachings. The word apostle has two meanings as the larger meaning of a messenger and the other pointing to the 12 directly linked to Christ. You can look at it as all apostles were disciples, but disciples are not apostles as they have yet to be equipped to be sent out by God.
From the day of Pentecost up until present anyone who teaches the word of God in all truths are apostles, men and women both.
The whole debate is over what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:34. As you can read in that verse Paul never said that women could not preach, but brings them in proper order of worship as in not disturbing the service by asking questions, but to wait until the service was over.
Like I said from vs. 26-40 is all about Paul teaching orderly worship as in let all things be done decently and in order. These women were getting out of order with their endless questions.
But, instead of Adam eating of the tree, why did he disobey God and not keep Eve from taking of it as God gave that command before He created Eve. I see it as Adam's fault, not Eve's for he never told her.
Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
1 Timothy 2:12 is the same as what Paul already said in the full context of 1 Corinthians 14:26-40. Do a search on the unruly women in the Corinthian church in Paul's day as this shows why Paul said what he did.
For you and all that thinks Junia was a male it is explained here in full who this person was.
cbeinternational. org Junia, a female Apostle.