Females As Leaders/Pastors Of Males In Evangelical Churches.

[eddif]

But, instead of Adam eating of the tree, why did he disobey God and not keep Eve from taking of it as God gave that command before He created Eve. I see it as Adam's fault, not Eve's for he never told her.

Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

If you really want an answer to your question, I think I ca supply the answer without insulting female women.
However I may bump up against some beliefs of
For_His_Glory that are slightly Different from mine.

I do not want a war started in a decidedly female discussion. This holiday season has stressed me tremendously. It has been great. I could write a book if I were worth anything.

It is up to For_His_Glory. It will not be an attack but it may seem like an attack. Sometimes we all have a personal area we are touchy about. I can handle it in another thread. If you like.


eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

If you really want an answer to your question, I think I ca supply the answer without insulting female women.
However I may bump up against some beliefs of
For_His_Glory that are slightly Different from mine.

I do not want a war started in a decidedly female discussion. This holiday season has stressed me tremendously. It has been great. I could write a book if I were worth anything.

It is up to For_His_Glory. It will not be an attack but it may seem like an attack. Sometimes we all have a personal area we are touchy about. I can handle it in another thread. If you like.


eddif

I was addressing this to Hopeful but I would like to hear your take on it as long as it's not sarcastic or rude towards women.

 

[eddif]

I was addressing this to Hopeful but I would like to hear your take on it as long as it's not sarcastic or rude towards women.

I started a thread in the lounge about why
Adam failed. I really believe that is the best way.
It may ba a little rude to Adam though.

Y’all go there and beat on me if necessary.

It was a pure accident that got me here. I would love to stay.

eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

I started a thread in the lounge about why
Adam failed. I really believe that is the best way.
It may ba a little rude to Adam though.

Y’all go there and beat on me if necessary.

It was a pure accident that got me here. I would love to stay.

eddif

Will beat you up........oops, I mean I will go read it tomorrow. Have a good night.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Thoughts?

No time for reading this thread, Jag, but as for the OP, I'm a little disgusted reading it.
Sounds like "Dr Deal Infacts" is an ignorant sexist pig with a very poor opponent to discuss this issue with; one who even makes him look intelligent by comparison, when unfortunately nothing could be farther from the truth.

If you should run into Dr. Deal Infacts, tell him he's a deluded theological fruitcake, and no intelligent person would waste very much time on him. Thank God you're not like that. But bad company corrupts good manners, so keep a safe distance from the good "Dr." He's a theological quack, and those are the real facts.

God bless!
- H

 

[Hopeful]

I consider Paul an APOSTLE - which is a couple notches up from PROPHET - but no doubt he was a PROPHET also - he wanted all the believers to covet the best gifts and wanted ALL to prophesy

who was it that said "Would that all God's people were prophets" ?

Is that a "no"?
I feel that all of his writings were prophesy; building up, comforting, warning, and edifying the readers.

 

[Hopeful]

To get technical they both sinned at the same time because they were as one and Man and Wife.

"Technical" doesn't count when one is measured against only one other.
Eve sinned first.

So she brought trouble home but it was both their problem. And Adam loved his Wife so much he actually honored her by partaking and joining her by her side and not letting her stand alone for the punishment.

Then he blamed her for the sin, as Gen 3:12 states..."And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

How could he not? She was the only girl around at the time so yeah, you bet he loved her.

He threw her under the bus.

 

[Hopeful]

But, instead of Adam eating of the tree, why did he disobey God and not keep Eve from taking of it as God gave that command before He created Eve. I see it as Adam's fault, not Eve's for he never told her.

Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Paul, the apostle, saw things in a different light than you.

 

[Hopeful]

1 Timothy 2:12 is the same as what Paul already said in the full context of 1 Corinthians 14:26-40.

No it isn't
Two entirely different matters are discussed in 1 Cor 14 and 1 Tim 2.
One, is about talking, questioning, during meetings, and the other is about leadership.

 

[Edward]

He threw her under the bus.

That doesn't change what he did and why. All that does is to prove that Adam got struck with terror of God when he heard God's voice in the Garden. He didn't know what to say to God and it was the first thing that came to his mind.

It was her Lord. While he was shaking in his boots. I wonder how eve felt to hear that?!

 

[Hopeful]

That doesn't change what he did and why. All that does is to prove that Adam got struck with terror of God when he heard God's voice in the Garden. He didn't know what to say to God and it was the first thing that came to his mind.

It was her Lord. While he was shaking in his boots. I wonder how eve felt to hear that?!

As the matter of women teachers or authorities, is rooted in what Eve did, what Adam did is sort of a point for another thread.

 

[for_his_glory]

Paul, the apostle, saw things in a different light than you.

I just put it out there and never ask anyone to agree with me, but search the scriptures for themselves. Man's traditional teachings can be deceiving at times if we do not search out the full context.

 

[for_his_glory]

No it isn't
Two entirely different matters are discussed in 1 Cor 14 and 1 Tim 2.
One, is about talking, questioning, during meetings, and the other is about leadership.

Both are speaking about orderly worship, but I can't make anyone see that.

 

[DancesWithGnostics]

No Hopeful - it was not a No

Paul is a Prophet
and more.

 

[for_his_glory]

moving this to the Theology forum

 

[Hopeful]

I just put it out there and never ask anyone to agree with me, but search the scriptures for themselves. Man's traditional teachings can be deceiving at times if we do not search out the full context.

Sometimes they are clear as day, especially when they are echoed in other admonissions, and/or root reasons are given for the writer's POV.

 

[Hopeful]

Both are speaking about orderly worship, but I can't make anyone see that.

I can agree that allowing a woman to teach or usurp authority over the men is not "orderly".

 

[for_his_glory]

I can agree that allowing a woman to teach or usurp authority over the men is not "orderly".

Not what I have been saying as God will use anyone He sees fit to teach others just as He has used me in the past to teach in the church, which by the way is the body of Christ, not a four walled building with a name on it.

 

[Hopeful]

Not what I have been saying as God will use anyone He sees fit to teach others just as He has used me in the past to teach in the church, which by the way is the body of Christ, not a four walled building with a name on it.

Personally, I could never counter scripture with my own desires.

 

[Northman]

12 has nothing to do with it. I and many people are respected by a certain community even though we do not live there so don't see your point. You seem to be saying, if I am not wrong, since the original 12 are no longer alive then there are no more apostles?

A disciple is a student who learns from a teacher. An apostle means messenger who delivers those teachings. The word apostle has two meanings as the larger meaning of a messenger and the other pointing to the 12 directly linked to Christ. You can look at it as all apostles were disciples, but disciples are not apostles as they have yet to be equipped to be sent out by God.

From the day of Pentecost up until present anyone who teaches the word of God in all truths are apostles, men and women both.

The point was crystal clear. Not sure why you are trying to place a teaching on top of something you got wrong in the first place. Apostles carry the same weight as an OT prophet, and they come with signs and wonders and have authority to write scripture. You and I, and nobody either of us know or have known is or was one.