GAP…theory…or…fact?

[jasonc]

So says the Hebrew.

I need to read up on the arguments against the gap theory but well I have this. if there was a pause in the seven day week? how can the jews celebrate shabat like they do?its all based on the creation week. their days start at sundown.

 

[gr8grace3]

It is relevant, and in many ways. Why do you accept one commentary over another? A servant is not greater than its master and in this case, the Jews understand their own language better than any Lexicon you can quote from. That being the case, if you should pause for a moment, you would certainly see the relevance.

There are many Jews who are experts in their native tongue. Learned, educated to the max and can break down their language to a tee. And still will deny that Jesus is the messiah. One of the clearest points and the main point in the OT. And they can't see it. That gives me pause.

 

[stovebolts]

There are many Jews who are experts in their native tongue. Learned, educated to the max and can break down their language to a tee. And still will deny that Jesus is the messiah. One of the clearest points and the main point in the OT. And they can't see it. That gives me pause.

And it gives me pause as well so know your in good company.

However, I don't see any controversy to whome Jesus is within the Jewish commentary I've posted. Was there anything in particular you found yourself opposed to_?

 

[Deborah13]

God told Adam to replenish the Earth and after the flood told Noah to replenish the Earth. Why would God say to replenish if there were not others before Adam just as there were others before Noah.........just saying!

Genesis 9:1
(KJV) And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
(KJV+) And GodH430 blessedH1288 (H853) NoahH5146 and his sons,H1121 and saidH559 unto them, Be fruitful,H6509 and multiply,H7235 and replenishH4390 (H853) the earth.H776
(YLT) And God blesseth Noah, and his sons, and saith to them, `Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth;
H4390
מלא מלא
mâlê' mâlâ'
maw-lay', maw-law'
A primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively): - accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) fully (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.
H853
את
'êth
ayth
Apparently contracted from H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly self (but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition, even or namely): - (As such unrepresented in English.)

There are two Hebrew words used here to convey the meaning. Putting them together we come up with something like this....
"fill the earth with self"
This is consistent with the words "after their kind"

 

[stovebolts]

I need to read up on the arguments against the gap theory but well I have this. if there was a pause in the seven day week? how can the jews celebrate shabat like they do?its all based on the creation week. their days start at sundown.

Agreed, but they won't look at that. They are too distracted finding ways around the plain meaning of scripture.

 

[Deborah13]

I believe Satan did it and it was the fall of Satan. I believe God Froze the earth to stop Satan After his fall.

This is what I don't understand.....

Even if our position is a YE and Genesis 1 is a creation account. Mankind and sin tumbled this perfect creation into chaos and God Has to restore it in the end because of the Fall of mankind.

Why is it a stretch to think that He had to restore the earth after the fall of Satan?

Well, I think it makes sense, at least to me, that Satan was in the Garden when he fell. When he deceived Eve and lied about God this was treachery and I believe that was when sin was found in him. That was when God cursed him, not before.

 

[jasonc]

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Agreed, but they won't look at that. They are too distracted finding ways around the plain meaning of scripture.

even the ramban doesn't do that nor the chassidics in some places. when they do its usually an already grey part and also an idiom. ie and eye for and eye. or prophecy. but this part of genesis is taken at face value.

 

[turnorburn]

A hen brooding over her eggs has just the right amount of warmth to incubate them but surely not to the point of melting them.. This doctrine/theory sounds more like a preconceived idea, i know about the heat thing after working in a hatchery..

tob

 

[jasonc]

A hen brooding over her eggs has just the right amount of warmth to incubate them but surely not to the point of melting them.. This doctrine/theory sounds more like a preconceived idea, i know about the heat thing after working in a hatchery..

tob

I see that clearly. adding words to the bible in that one must say well its not there nor supported is not a good idea.

 

[Deborah13]

I need to read up on the arguments against the gap theory but well I have this. if there was a pause in the seven day week? how can the jews celebrate shabat like they do?its all based on the creation week. their days start at sundown.

I don't think anyone has said there is a gap in the seven days. They believe there is a gap before the seven day verses begin. Specifically between verses 1:1 and 1:2. Or maybe 1:2 and 1:3.

 

[jasonc]

I don't think anyone has said there is a gap in the seven days. They believe there is a gap before the seven day verses begin. Specifically between verses 1:1 and 1:2.

either way. tis not there. for six days god created the heavens and the earth. also if adam was the first man, and the others whom didn't sin. why are they accursed? see where this goes?

 

[Deborah13]

either way. tis not there. for six days god created the heavens and the earth. also if adam was the first man, and the others whom didn't sin. why are they accursed? see where this goes?

Who do you mean by 'the others whom didn't sin'?
FreeGrace who started the thread, I think believes that Satan "trashed" the earth before verse 3 and God had to 'repair' it so that man could live on it.

 

[jasonc]

Who do you mean by 'the others whom didn't sin'?
FreeGrace who started the thread, I think believes that Satan "trashed" the earth before verse 3 and God had to 'repair' it so that man could live on it.

often many gap theorists think that a proto man before adam was around. ie the older fossils that are close to human are indeed sientent.

ie h.ergaster. h.erectus. h.neandenthal. all those are believed to have culture and intelligence. they are also dated prior to adam by some. over 6000 years old. cro magnon as well. one poster mentioned where did the others man come from in reference to cain getting a wife.

 

[Gregg]

The Bible never says that the earth was created to be inhabited by man.

Though I believe He did create the earth to be inhabited by man, I find it Interesting that you make that statement.

Does the Bible say that the water in Gen 1:2 was once ice? No, it does not. Thank you.



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[Deborah13]

often many gap theorists think that a proto man before adam was around. ie the older fossils that are close to human are indeed sientent.

ie h.ergaster. h.erectus. h.neandenthal. all those are believed to have culture and intelligence. they are also dated prior to adam by some. over 6000 years old. cro magnon as well. one poster mentioned where did the others man come from in reference to cain getting a wife.

OK The author of the thread doesn't believe this from what they have posted.

 

[jasonc]

OK The author of the thread doesn't believe this from what they have posted.

she is in the minority.

scholfied. why am not surprised that he believed this.

 

[Deborah13]

I've given verses from both the OT and NT that indicate otherwise. In fact, Isa 45:18 says that God did not create the earth as a waste place (NASB). And JF&B have no problem with "but the earth became a waste place", as I've shown.


The Bible never says that the earth was created to be inhabited by man.

How does an old earth threaten your doctrine?

I think it strongly implies it, we needed a place to be to become His chosen people didn't we?

Eph 1:4 according as He did choose us in him before the foundation of the world, for our being holy and unblemished before Him, in love,

 

[Deborah13]

she is in the minority.

scholfied. why am not surprised that he believed this.

And don't forget Dake, him too.

 

[jasonc]

so god, ugh that is why I don't buy that. that he uh didn't intend to create us and foreknew? oy vey

 

[jasonc]

And don't forget Dake, him too.

I have finnis dakes commentary. I seldom use that bible. I have pondered burning that, or giving it away. I have just decided to keep it. so that another one wont be tempted.