God in my flesh

[Ed the Ned]

But have fun with all your other interpretations, people. The bottom line is, you may choose to believe Jesus is not God incarnate in the flesh, but to do so may put you in grave danger by denying the very Divine nature of Jesus. I choose to believe, by my understanding of scripture as a whole, the He is God incarnate. What are the consequences if I'm wrong? Better yet, what are the consequences if you are wrong?

Thank you Vic
I cannot see how the trinity is leading towards a new age doctrine Joechrist, the emphasis of the new age docrine is that we are all God. If as you claim we are God your doctrine is new age.

 

[bodhitharta]

Nice, you are close. Neither John 10 nor Psalm 82 are about us being gods or little gods, or whatever interpretation is popular these days. Yes, John 10 is in reference to Psalm 82 and it's all about corrupt judges and their real lack of knowledge of the Law. The 'gods" are God's representatives but are being rebuked for their judgments against Jesus. He is reminding them of past judgments against them by using Psalm 82 as a strong example.

In Psalm 82:8, I believe there is a similitude attached to the Hebrew word, elohim, making it mean, "like gods". That is the point being made; by passing such an unfair judgment against the Son of God, they make themselves out to be "like god".

What are the consequences if I'm wrong? Better yet, what are the consequences if you are wrong?

God Said "I said Ye are gods" so it was not rhetorical and the consequences of you believing that Jesus is God are this:


Matthew 7:20-22 (King James Version)

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven

In other words Jesus will reject you for calling him God even if you prophesy in his name and heal the sick in his name

 

[westtexas]

Does that scare you What did Jesus say ?

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),
Joh 10:36 say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Is it YOU that the scripture speaks about , or the One who lives IN you?

New Age does this little dance about "we are God" , but Christians say: No more I that live, but Christ that liveth IN ME Almost sounds the same, but huge difference. In one, the "I" becomes God and in the other the "I" dies and God gets to live in and through them.

Well said. Also one cannot possibly call himself god unless he has the same exact glory of god. We were made in the image of god, not in his glory. Creation only reflects part of his glory, and in that its also only a reflection not the actual glory. So even though man is created in the image of god he is not created with the same glory of god. And so, no, humans will never be god.

Heneni

But Jesus was Human and you call him God

Scripture calls him God. John 1:1--In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14--And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (KJV)
The Word was God and the Word was made flesh and his name was Jesus!!

Westtexas

 

[Free]

So you just wrote a long explanation to reaffirm my statement, that the trinity idea was formed by the council. I don't know anyone who says that the IDEA OF THE DEITY OF JESUS was formed at the council of Nicea.

You stated: "You all need to study what it is that Jesus taught about himself and God, and not characteristics of him that were voted on by men 100's of years later."

Perhaps you can explain to what you were referring then.


A challenge for joechrist and bodhitharta: look up every instance in the gospels where either Jesus or someone else refers to Him as the Son of God. What do you notice?

 

[Sparkey]

Re: Jesus is the Omega, not us.

Are you still arguing about this?

 

[bodhitharta]

But Jesus was Human and you call him God

Scripture calls him God. John 1:1--In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14--And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (KJV)
The Word was God and the Word was made flesh and his name was Jesus!!

Westtexas[/quote]

Jesus says that to all whom the word of God came were called Gods and they had names to such as Elijah, Abraham, Moses (whom God himself called "God" twice in the bible)

You don't understand the scriptures.

 

[bodhitharta]

Re: Jesus is the Omega, not us.

Fallacy of the antecedent - unto whom? Unto he whom God hath sent, that is, unto Jesus. The Bible does not declare that anybody who reads the bible is automatically filled without measure. Your interpretation is absurd; you may not insist that "he who speaks the words" is God. That's wrong.

Now stop the attempted sophistry.

God sent Moses and he called Moses "God" so was/is Moses God?


Exodus 7
1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Exodus 4:16 (New King James Version)
16 So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God.

Can I insist it now, since scripture backs up what I am saying?

No. You may not. God did not equate Moshe to Himself. Do you know what the words Shema Yisrael mean? Anybody can twist the Word of Truth but that does not mean that God has lied or even misrepresented the truth.

~SparrowHawke

Any who wish to appear as an "Angel of Light" can speak the words. That does not make him holy. Period.

Where did God equate Himself to Jesus? You are misinformed

 

[Sparkey]

Jesus is the Omega, not us.

Fallacy of the antecedent - unto whom? Unto he whom God hath sent, that is, unto Jesus. The Bible does not declare that anybody who reads the bible is automatically filled without measure. Your interpretation is absurd; you may not insist that "he who speaks the words" is God. That's wrong.

Now stop the attempted sophistry.

God sent Moses and he called Moses "God" so was/is Moses God?


Exodus 7
1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Exodus 4:16 (New King James Version)
16 So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God.

Can I insist it now, since scripture backs up what I am saying?

No. You may not. God did not equate Moshe to Himself. Do you know what the words Shema Yisrael mean? Anybody can twist the Word of Truth but that does not mean that God has lied or even misrepresented the truth.

~SparrowHawke

Any who wish to appear as an "Angel of Light" can speak the words. That does not make him holy. Period.

 

[bodhitharta]

So you just wrote a long explanation to reaffirm my statement, that the trinity idea was formed by the council. I don't know anyone who says that the IDEA OF THE DEITY OF JESUS was formed at the council of Nicea.

You stated: "You all need to study what it is that Jesus taught about himself and God, and not characteristics of him that were voted on by men 100's of years later."

Perhaps you can explain to what you were referring then.


A challenge for joechrist and bodhitharta: look up every instance in the gospels where either Jesus or someone else refers to Him as the Son of God. What do you notice?

That Jesus is the Son of God

 

[westtexas]

Jesus says that to all whom the word of God came were called Gods and they had names to such as Elijah, Abraham, Moses (whom God himself called "God" twice in the bible)

You don't understand the scriptures.

Are you going to give some scripture references?
Westtexas

 

[Sparkey]

Re: Jesus is the Omega, not us.

Where did God equate Himself to Jesus? You are misinformed

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I said that you may not declare that Moshe is equivalent to Yahweh. I asked if you knew what a very specific term meant: Shema Yisrael (no fair doing a Google search).

I've stated that "saying the words" does not mean necessarily that the speaker agrees with them and that all who wish to appear as "angels of Light" will do such.

~Sparrowhawke

 

[Free]

So you just wrote a long explanation to reaffirm my statement, that the trinity idea was formed by the council. I don't know anyone who says that the IDEA OF THE DEITY OF JESUS was formed at the council of Nicea.

You stated: "You all need to study what it is that Jesus taught about himself and God, and not characteristics of him that were voted on by men 100's of years later."

Perhaps you can explain to what you were referring then.


A challenge for joechrist and bodhitharta: look up every instance in the gospels where either Jesus or someone else refers to Him as the Son of God. What do you notice?

That Jesus is the Son of God

Fail. lol What do you notice?

 

[westtexas]

You don't understand the scriptures.

There is nothing to misunderstand. THE WORD WAS GOD--THE WORD BECAME FLESH------straight out of scripture.

Westtexas

 

[bodhitharta]

Fail. lol What do you notice?

Jesus doesn't deny being the Son of God

 

[Free]

Jesus doesn't deny being the Son of God

That's a start. What do you notice about the situations--the environment and peoples' reactions?

 

[bodhitharta]

Jesus doesn't deny being the Son of God

That's a start. What do you notice about the situations--the environment and peoples' reactions?

Jesus does miracles and people are amazed saying surely God is with him. Jesus gives all glory to his/our Father.

 

[Free]

You looked but it appears your theology is making you change what is there. The whole point of the exercise is to show that the phrase "Son of God" when used of Jesus, has a whole other meaning than when it is used of men.

Matt 4 - twice Satan uses the phrase "if you are the Son of God" while tempting Jesus.

Matt 8:28-29, "28 And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way. 29 And behold, they cried out, What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time? "-

Matt 14:32-33, "32 And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. 33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God."

Matt 16:15-16, "15 He said to them, But who do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter replied, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Matt 26:63-64, "63 But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God. 64 Jesus said to him, You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matt 27:38-43, "38 Then two robbers were crucified with him, one on the right and one on the left. 39 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads 40 and saying, You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross. 41 So also the chief priests, with the scribes and elders, mocked him, saying, 42 He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God; let God deliver him now, if he desires him. For he said, I am the Son of God."

Matt 27:50-54, "50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. 51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, Truly this was the Son of God!"

John 1:34-36, " 34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God. 35 The next day again John was standing with two of his disciples, 36 and he looked at Jesus as he walked by and said, Behold, the Lamb of God!"

John 3:16-18, "16 For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Etc.

It is perfectly clear that the phrase "Son of God" meant something else entirely when it was used of Jesus--he was the Son of God, even the only Son of God, by his own admission; never a Son of God, never.

 

[Sparkey]

Jesus is our Omega.

This is such a strange doctrine that it's difficult for me to wrap my head around it.
May we pause as I try to comprehend what is being "taught" here?

I stated (back on page 1) that you may not correctly insist that "whoever speaks the words" of God is God. If that were true it would mean that Satan, who has quoted God, is or would be God. I don't believe that Satan is God, nor do I believe that he will become God. We (Christians) do not know what we will be but we will be like him.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Jesus said, "My sheep know my voice and will not follow another."

You [bodhitharta] may not insist that "he who speaks the words" is God

Your direct reply to the above [edited by adding color for emphasis by me]:

God sent Moses and he called Moses "God" so was/is Moses God?


Exodus 7
1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Exodus 4:16 (New King James Version)
16 So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as god.

Can I insist it now, since scripture backs up what I am saying?

Jesus is the one who God sent and Jesus not only spoke the words of God, he is the very Logos of God per the witness of the Holy Spirit given by John the Apostle and written to us in the gospels. Jesus was the only one of whom God spoke saying, "Behold my only begotten Son in whom I am well pleased."

When I state categorically, "God did not equate Moshe to Himself"
The reply, "Where did God equate Himself to Jesus? You are misinformed"

• throws me for a loop.

• Sparrowhawke declares: Moses =/= [does not equal] God.[/*:m:1sb0wk94]
• bodhitharta implies: God =/= Jesus.[/*:m:1sb0wk94]
• bodhitharta declares: Sparrowhawke is misinformed.[/*:m:1sb0wk94]

Sparrowhawke

 

[turnorburn]

So, the beauty of God has transcended my soul and The Holy Spirit of God fills my heart, He has given me the fulness of The Spirit without measure, God is in my flesh.

Am I God?

If not, why not?

Because your body can never be God. He Who indwells us is God and that part of us is God. Unless we have another gospel. You were born a "son of man" and all sons of men, have the capacity to receive the Son of God in their spirit. That part of you is not the same as your unsaved neighbor who is just still a "son of man"

Our old man (meaning: our old sinful nature) has been crucified . Its dead. Its no longer alive. Why? Because that is what the Bible say. We have been crucified with Christ and no longer live. Now its Christ that lives in the believer. That part is God.

Now which part of you will go to heaven? Christ part, or the old nature part? The dead old you? or the New Man in you?

Then why is it said that Jesus is God? Wasn't God in his flesh as He is in mine?

Hi bodhitharta are you still Muslim, you were at Daily Crosses... :yes

turnorburn

 

[bodhitharta]

You looked but it appears your theology is making you change what is there. The whole point of the exercise is to show that the phrase "Son of God" when used of Jesus, has a whole other meaning than when it is used of men.

Matt 4 - twice Satan uses the phrase "if you are the Son of God" while tempting Jesus.

Matt 8:28-29, "28 And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way. 29 And behold, they cried out, What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time? "-

Matt 14:32-33, "32 And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. 33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God."

Matt 16:15-16, "15 He said to them, But who do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter replied, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Matt 26:63-64, "63 But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God. 64 Jesus said to him, You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matt 27:38-43, "38 Then two robbers were crucified with him, one on the right and one on the left. 39 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads 40 and saying, You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross. 41 So also the chief priests, with the scribes and elders, mocked him, saying, 42 He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God; let God deliver him now, if he desires him. For he said, I am the Son of God."

Matt 27:50-54, "50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. 51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, Truly this was the Son of God!"

John 1:34-36, " 34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God. 35 The next day again John was standing with two of his disciples, 36 and he looked at Jesus as he walked by and said, Behold, the Lamb of God!"

John 3:16-18, "16 For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Etc.

It is perfectly clear that the phrase "Son of God" meant something else entirely when it was used of Jesus--he was the Son of God, even the only Son of God, by his own admission; never a Son of God, never.

Hebrews 1:4-6 (King James Version)

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?


Hebrews 5:7-9 (King James Version)

7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;



Acts 5 (King James Version)

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:22-24 (King James Version)

22And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:


There you have it :amen Never say Never

Also God calls Israel His firstborn