God in my flesh

[bodhitharta]

[qoute]Hi bodhitharta are you still Muslim, you were at Daily Crosses... :yes

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They wanted to say that I was a Muslim because "By definition" a Muslim is one who submits to God as Christ does. I have said I was a Christian Muslim before but the fact is I am non-denominational and I accept the Children of Abraham whether they be Jews, Christians Or Muslims.

You cannot really be a Christian unless you understand Judaism and if you understand Judaism you wil accept Islam but if people remain ignorant they will remain subject to "mysterious" thinking.

 

[westtexas]

Bodhitharta, I don't to want to de-rail this thread. I've got a question for you over in Christianity and other religions if you would take the time to answer it. Thanks

Westtexas

 

[Free]

You looked but it appears your theology is making you change what is there. The whole point of the exercise is to show that the phrase "Son of God" when used of Jesus, has a whole other meaning than when it is used of men.

Matt 4 - twice Satan uses the phrase "if you are the Son of God" while tempting Jesus.

Matt 8:28-29, "28 And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way. 29 And behold, they cried out, What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time? "-

Matt 14:32-33, "32 And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. 33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God."

Matt 16:15-16, "15 He said to them, But who do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter replied, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Matt 26:63-64, "63 But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God. 64 Jesus said to him, You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matt 27:38-43, "38 Then two robbers were crucified with him, one on the right and one on the left. 39 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads 40 and saying, You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross. 41 So also the chief priests, with the scribes and elders, mocked him, saying, 42 He saved others; he cannot save himself. He is the King of Israel; let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God; let God deliver him now, if he desires him. For he said, I am the Son of God."

Matt 27:50-54, "50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. 51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, Truly this was the Son of God!"

John 1:34-36, " 34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God. 35 The next day again John was standing with two of his disciples, 36 and he looked at Jesus as he walked by and said, Behold, the Lamb of God!"

John 3:16-18, "16 For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Etc.

It is perfectly clear that the phrase "Son of God" meant something else entirely when it was used of Jesus--he was the Son of God, even the only Son of God, by his own admission; never a Son of God, never.

Hebrews 1:4-6 (King James Version)

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?


Hebrews 5:7-9 (King James Version)

7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;



Acts 5 (King James Version)

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:22-24 (King James Version)

22And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:


There you have it :amen Never say Never

Also God calls Israel His firstborn

Do you actually think you have refuted anything I said? You have completely failed to address my challenge to you. I'll give you Hebrews 5:8 but not Heb 1:4-6. In the gospels Jesus is referred to as the Son of God and each time there is great significance attached to the use of that phrase.

Clearly, my point has been proven: the phrase "Son of God" refers to something much greater and different when it is used of Jesus than when it is used of man.

Why am I not surprised that you only quoted Heb 1:4-6 and stopped short of including verse 8?

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Everything in context.

I have said I was a Christian Muslim before but the fact is I am non-denominational and I accept the Children of Abraham whether they be Jews, Christians Or Muslims.

You cannot really be a Christian unless you understand Judaism and if you understand Judaism you wil accept Islam but if people remain ignorant they will remain subject to "mysterious" thinking.

You cannot be a Christian Muslim, that is a complete contradiction. They are irreconcilably different in their theology. If you think you can be both, then you understand neither Christianity nor Islam.

 

[westtexas]

Have you actually read the entire bible like I have for the last 30 years?

Free, somehow in the last 30 years bodhitharta has figured out how to entertwine Christianity and Islam. :toofunny

Westtexas

 

[bodhitharta]

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom

You find this verse amazing but it has been said before

First of All Jesus sits on the throne of David (a man)

Now pay attention to this:


Psalm 45
1My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

2Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.

3Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.

4And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.

5Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.

6Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

7Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Now this was not pertaining to Jesus in this psalms unless you accept this part:


Psalm 45
9Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.

10Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house;

11So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.

12And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift; even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour.

13The king's daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold.

14She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee.

Is this really about Jesus? I think not.

 

[Free]

Is this really about Jesus? I think not.

I'll repeat:

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

The writer of Hebrews sure thinks it's about Jesus. I'll keep copying and pasting as long as it is necessary.

 

[bodhitharta]

Is this really about Jesus? I think not.

I'll repeat:

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

The writer of Hebrews sure thinks it's about Jesus. I'll keep copying and pasting as long as it is necessary.

It doesn't matter if it can be applied to Jesus the point is it was already applied to someone else, so it is not unique.

 

[stranger]

bodhitharta wrote:

But Jesus was Human and you call him God

This is exactly what the Jews objected to when they were about to stone Jesus.

John 10:
33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and
because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

The Jews understood the claim and believed it to be impossible. The Spirit of antiChrist denies the claim that Jesus came in the flesh - so threatening is this truth about the incarnation.

blessings

 

[bodhitharta]

bodhitharta wrote:

But Jesus was Human and you call him God

This is exactly what the Jews objected to when they were about to stone Jesus.

John 10:
33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and
because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

The Jews understood the claim and believed it to be impossible. The Spirit of antiChrist denies the claim that Jesus came in the flesh - so threatening is this truth about the incarnation.

blessings

Jesus corrected them:


36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 

[Free]

bodhitharta wrote:

But Jesus was Human and you call him God

This is exactly what the Jews objected to when they were about to stone Jesus.

John 10:
33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and
because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

The Jews understood the claim and believed it to be impossible. The Spirit of antiChrist denies the claim that Jesus came in the flesh - so threatening is this truth about the incarnation.

blessings

Jesus corrected them:


36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

You failed to understand his point:

Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one."
Joh 10:31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.

The very reason the Jews said he was making himself out to be God is precisely because he called God his Father, in a very personal sense--one in essence and nature.

 

[bodhitharta]

Free,

May God bless you, I am aware of your great love and devotion of God so I must tell you the truth.

Do you remember when Jesus said this?

Matthew 25: (King James Version)

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Matthew 24:35-37 (King James Version)

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:31-33 (King James Version)

32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Jesus does not know when he will return and after admitting that he predicted when it would be and it did not happen and I believe God allowed him to do that for moments like this to prove this truth I am telling you now.

Luke 21:31-33 (New King James Version)
31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Matthew 16:27-28 (King James Version)

27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Of course it did not happen and the reason is because he was a man and did not know as Jesus had already said and yes it was the generation of that time the same one in which he said:

Mark 8:11-13 (King James Version)

11And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him.

12And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.