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God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for Everyone

Cooper said:
We are not going to fall out over this, and it will take a long time, but one word stood out from the rest, and that was the word remnant and not nation. There is a difference, as you know, so are you saying all Jews be with Jesus in glory, or will it be the remnant?
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It will be the remnant. Not because they are Jews, but because they are human. Only a certain percentage of the population, Jews and Gentiles, will believe in Christ's sacrifice and atonement. The rest will not and will lose the opportunity for eternal life with God, Jesus, and the rest of those who believed the gospel (or believed under the Old Covenant: Abraham, Moses, Elijah, and others.
 
jaybo said:
It will be the remnant. Not because they are Jews, but because they are human. Only a certain percentage of the population, Jews and Gentiles, will believe in Christ's sacrifice and atonement. The rest will not and will lose the opportunity for eternal life with God, Jesus, and the rest of those who believed the gospel (or believed under the Old Covenant: Abraham, Moses, Elijah, and others.
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I look forward to meeting you there. :)
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Robert Pate said:
The scripture says, "We will know those whom we have known".
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Scripture says that Jesus will say to some He never knew them Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore they could not have been anyone He died for, like His Sheep Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
 
brightfame52 said:
Scripture says that Jesus will say to some He never knew them Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore they could not have been anyone He died for, like His Sheep Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
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Jesus never knew some of them because they had never called upon him to save them, Romans 10:13.

God's mark of ownership is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is only given to those that hear and believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2. Jesus will recognize those who are his by the Holy Spirit.
 
Robert Pate said:
Jesus never knew some of them because they had never called upon him to save them, Romans 10:13.

God's mark of ownership is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is only given to those that hear and believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2. Jesus will recognize those who are his by the Holy Spirit.
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He never knew them because they werent His Sheep which He died for. Jesus would never say that to people He Loved and died for Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
 
brightfame52 said:
He never knew them because they werent His Sheep which He died for. Jesus would never say that to people He Loved and died for Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
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Why are you so obsessed with sheep??? It's really getting tiresome. There is a lot more to the Bible than Ovis aries!
 
brightfame52 said:
He never knew them because they werent His Sheep which He died for. Jesus would never say that to people He Loved and died for Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
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To say that Jesus didn't die for the sins of the whole world, is to say that Jesus is a failure. Worse yet, to say that Jesus died for some but not all is worse. Because then it makes Jesus divisive and unjust. Worse yet, to boast that you were chosen to be saved and others were not is the sign of an arrogant Pharisee.
 
Robert Pate said:
To say that Jesus didn't die for the sins of the whole world, is to say that Jesus is a failure. Worse yet, to say that Jesus died for some but not all is worse. Because then it makes Jesus divisive and unjust. Worse yet, to boast that you were chosen to be saved and others were not is the sign of an arrogant Pharisee.
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Jesus Christ didnt die for the whole world of men, yet He died for His Sheep, whom He knew and Loved, but to them He said He never knew, they were never objects of His Love and He didnt die for them.
 
brightfame52 said:
Jesus Christ didnt die for the whole world of men, yet He died for His Sheep, whom He knew and Loved, but to them He said He never knew, they were never objects of His Love and He didnt die for them.
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The Bible does not say he died for those whom he knew. You are adding to God's word.

What it does say is, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might to saved" John 3:17.

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Your Calvinist God will not let you believe that.
 
Robert Pate said:
The Bible does not say he died for those whom he knew. You are adding to God's word.

What it does say is, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might to saved" John 3:17.

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Your Calvinist God will not let you believe that.
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He died for His Sheep, which He knew. Jn 10:14, 15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
 
brightfame52 said:
He died for His Sheep, which He knew. Jn 10:14, 15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
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The sheep are those that heard the Gospel and believed the Gospel and were born again by the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23.

All that try to get into the sheep fold some other way are thieves and robbers, John 10:8.
 
Robert Pate said:
The sheep are those that heard the Gospel and believed the Gospel and were born again by the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23.

All that try to get into the sheep fold some other way are thieves and robbers, John 10:8.
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1 Peter says nothing about sheep! 1 Peter 1:22-23, "Since you have purified your souls in obedience to the truth for a sincere love of the brothers and sisters, fervently love one another from the heart, for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God."

Do sheep have souls? Do sheep understand truth? Do sheep love their brothers and sisters? Do sheep fervently love one another from the heart?

Obviously you have never been around sheep!
 
Robert Pate said:
The sheep are those that heard the Gospel and believed the Gospel and were born again by the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23.

All that try to get into the sheep fold some other way are thieves and robbers, John 10:8.
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So if Christ stated He knew and knows His Sheep which He Loved and died for Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Now if He tells people I never knew you Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Then they could not have been of His Sheep He knew and died for, lest Christ told a lie. How could Christ say of people He Loved and died for, I never knew you ?
 
brightfame52 said:
So if Christ stated He knew and knows His Sheep which He Loved and died for Jn 10:14-15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Now if He tells people I never knew you Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Then they could not have been of His Sheep He knew and died for, lest Christ told a lie. How could Christ say of people He Loved and died for, I never knew you ?
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There is only one way to be saved and it is not by being predestinated. If predestination was the way to salvation the Bible would be full of it. There is nothing. There are no examples in the Bible of anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell. The word "predestination" only appears in the Bible four times. Words like "Faith" and "Believe" appear hundreds of times. Paul wrote, "For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith (not predestination) and not that of yourselves: it is the gift of God". Ephesians 2:8.
 
Robert Pate said:
There is only one way to be saved and it is not by being predestinated. If predestination was the way to salvation the Bible would be full of it. There is nothing. There are no examples in the Bible of anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell. The word "predestination" only appears in the Bible four times. Words like "Faith" and "Believe" appear hundreds of times. Paul wrote, "For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith (not predestination) and not that of yourselves: it is the gift of God". Ephesians 2:8.
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Christ didnt die for individuals He says to them, I never knew you ! Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They were never the Lords, because the Lord knows them that are His 2 Tim 2:19

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

See He came to save His People He knew Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
 
brightfame52 said:
Christ didnt die for individuals He says to them, I never knew you ! Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They were never the Lords, because the Lord knows them that are His 2 Tim 2:19

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

See He came to save His People He knew Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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The Lords people are all that have heard and believe his Gospel, Ephesians 1:13.

Faith in Christ and his Gospel are the only way into eternal life. There is no other way.
 
brightfame52 said:
He died for His Sheep, which He knew. Jn 10:14, 15

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
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READ YOUR BIBLE! You might start with this verse: "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that EVERYONE who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

Jesus died for EVERYONE!

And again, why or you so fixated on SHEEP? Over and over and over and over and over and over...and over. It gets tiresome!
 
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