Soul man
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Thank you my friend, as always your words and knowledge of scripture are greatly appreciated.
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Bible Study Great Secrets And Revelation Of The Cross.
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Thank you my friend, as always your words and knowledge of scripture are greatly appreciated.
ezrider
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Soul man, Chopper. How do you reckon yourself to be dead to sin? What does that mean to you? In the scriptures it is written that we are crucified with Christ. How would you express your crucifixion with Christ as it pertains to the knowledge of your death?
If someone by the knowledge of the law continues to bring their sins before the cross, have they truly reckoned themselves dead to sin?
Soul man
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I'll have to respond tomorrow, thanks.
Chopper
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Hi Forum folks. Well it's time for the old man to post a few thoughts on the death projection of the cross of Christ Jesus. I just love working with my Master Theologian Soul man. He has found a warm and tender place in my heart, by the Holy Spirit, that I've never had before. I've always been a "Lone Wolf", not any more. I fully expect God to work miracles thru the two of us as we discover new undiscovered Truths in the Word of God, and great faith & power as we two agree in prayer for the hurting.
Here's my first Truth that I see that the cross of Jesus projects....The Lord Jesus Christ came to die—not to live, not to teach, not to work miracles—he came to die. It was the purpose of His birth and the purpose of His life to die, because He came to deal with sin." Along the way, Jesus did live 331/2 years, and He taught, and worked miracles. But the main purpose of His incarnation was to die so we could live.
O my dear friends. Just study and meditate on the following, and it'll change your life as it's changed mine and Soul man's....Christ’s cross is my cross. Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
There's a story about an evangelist named Soul man. He was preaching to a crowd of people gathered at a big park. He had prepared a live size cardboard likeness of the Jewish Jesus, not a California Beach Dude. He was hidden behind the cardboard likeness, telling the crowd all about Jesus life, death and resurrection. The forgiveness of sins was his main topic. Remember now, Soul man is behind the likeness Jesus.
That's the way it is today. "I am crucified with Christ" In other words, the Evangelist Soul man was behind Jesus when He died on the cross. you couldn't see Soul man, all we can see is Jesus. Soul man and me were crucified with Jesus along with you folk who are reading this.
I agree to share death with Christ through the cross to everything which is opposed to the Father’s will, that everything of the Father’s purpose may be accomplished in us. When we take up that attitude I find the real old us has died with Jesus and He living in us.
Because we have been crucified with Christ, we are dead to everything of the world and alive only to God. The Truth? We are the living dead. The next time that lustful flesh wants you to do something that God is against, remember to say NO, I'm dead to that desire of the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. It does work!!
Here's my first Truth that I see that the cross of Jesus projects....The Lord Jesus Christ came to die—not to live, not to teach, not to work miracles—he came to die. It was the purpose of His birth and the purpose of His life to die, because He came to deal with sin." Along the way, Jesus did live 331/2 years, and He taught, and worked miracles. But the main purpose of His incarnation was to die so we could live.
O my dear friends. Just study and meditate on the following, and it'll change your life as it's changed mine and Soul man's....Christ’s cross is my cross. Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
There's a story about an evangelist named Soul man. He was preaching to a crowd of people gathered at a big park. He had prepared a live size cardboard likeness of the Jewish Jesus, not a California Beach Dude. He was hidden behind the cardboard likeness, telling the crowd all about Jesus life, death and resurrection. The forgiveness of sins was his main topic. Remember now, Soul man is behind the likeness Jesus.
That's the way it is today. "I am crucified with Christ" In other words, the Evangelist Soul man was behind Jesus when He died on the cross. you couldn't see Soul man, all we can see is Jesus. Soul man and me were crucified with Jesus along with you folk who are reading this.
I agree to share death with Christ through the cross to everything which is opposed to the Father’s will, that everything of the Father’s purpose may be accomplished in us. When we take up that attitude I find the real old us has died with Jesus and He living in us.
Because we have been crucified with Christ, we are dead to everything of the world and alive only to God. The Truth? We are the living dead. The next time that lustful flesh wants you to do something that God is against, remember to say NO, I'm dead to that desire of the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. It does work!!
ezra
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1 Corinthians 2:9
9 But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” proverbs 29:18 where there is no vision (divine revaluation} the people perish .this post is full of strong meat ...the finished works of the cross for Christ sake is finished ..but the finished works of the cross for us is never ending . i have read several great thoughts spirit inspired . i preached a message last sunday morning on being between two opinions . i am not a writer my hat is off to those of you who have the gift to write... i have to preach it to bring it out... everything i have read is Bible and all the post are complementing each other......i like to see that in a forum .it shows Christ prayer for the Church to be one in him being fulfilled
Galatians 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. ..great post
9 But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” proverbs 29:18 where there is no vision (divine revaluation} the people perish .this post is full of strong meat ...the finished works of the cross for Christ sake is finished ..but the finished works of the cross for us is never ending . i have read several great thoughts spirit inspired . i preached a message last sunday morning on being between two opinions . i am not a writer my hat is off to those of you who have the gift to write... i have to preach it to bring it out... everything i have read is Bible and all the post are complementing each other......i like to see that in a forum .it shows Christ prayer for the Church to be one in him being fulfilled
Galatians 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. ..great post
ezrider
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There is something about this statement that just strikes me as off. I'm struggling to find the words for it. I understand your emphasis here in the cross and the death of Christ, but I would be cautious in over emphasizing the purpose his death by diminishing the rest of what He did and accomplished. If we are to know Christ, then we must seek to know all of Christ; not just his death. In all frankness, I find His teachings to be equally if not more important than the death of the cross. Jesus was the law giver. It was through the words of Christ in the sermon on the Mount that the law went forth from Zion. The call to beat you swords into plowshares and live peaceably among men. To Love your enemy. It is these thing I find to be more important. It is these things that instruct me. It is the Words of Christ that the Holy Spirit calls to remembrance. It is the spirit of those words we live by.
The scripture says that we shall be created in the image of Christ. Which image is that? The image of a man upon a Cross? The image of a man who humbled himself and became a servant to others? Or the image of a God, as a King and conqueror?
So you are crucified with Christ. What does that mean to you personally? How would you express your own crucifixion? It was said of Jesus on the cross that he took unto himself all the sins of the worlds. If you are crucified with Christ, then you too should bear the sins of others. How does the Cross and the crucifixion of Christ allow you the bear the sins and burdens of others? How do you know your own death in Christ?
ezra
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i have to crucify my spiritual flesh Romans 12:1 taking care of us is a full time job. the cross symbolizes the payment for our sins --forgiven the resurrection gives us the power to live the life. no i am not chopper . what does it mean to you to take up your cross deny your self and follow HIM .i have a know so salvation
billybalke
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- I have a slight issue with your 2nd paragraph. I of course agree with the"main purpose" of Jesus' coming, "to die", but to die the other elements you mentioned had to occur. (1) He had to live for we are saved by His life, Rom.5:10. (2) By his teaching,Heb.1:1,2; Jn.12:48. (3) By His miracles, Jn.20:30,31. I do not mean to diminish your point but to strengthen it. God bless
Chopper
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Thank you for your reply Billy. I honor your advanced age and you're concern for Truth. The following is what you've questioned...."Here's my first Truth that I see that the cross of Jesus projects....The Lord Jesus Christ came to die—not to live, not to teach, not to work miracles—he came to die. It was the purpose of His birth and the purpose of His life to die, because He came to deal with sin." Along the way, Jesus did live 331/2 years, and He taught, and worked miracles. But the main purpose of His incarnation was to die so we could live."
I hope you caught the words I've put in red. This thread is all about this....
Luke 9:23 "And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it." to take up Jesus' cross is to die!
Billy, my main purpose was to bring out and and spot light death to self as Jesus demonstrated. He did live, teach, and did miracles. That was not His main objective, although his life to demonstrate the Glory of His Father thru His teachings and miracles is very important, as I think is what you were concerned with.
To die for Chopper, Soul man, and Billybalke, was why the Godhead agreed to send Jesus to the earth to liberate mankind from their sins....John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Thank you my 86 year old Brother and friend. Wow, 86!!!! I hope I can live that long to continue to teach Truth from God's Word. I will continue to look for your posts to help Soul man and me to emphasize that every Christian must die to self, and live to please Jesus and His Father.
I love You,
Chopper
I hope you caught the words I've put in red. This thread is all about this....
Luke 9:23 "And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it." to take up Jesus' cross is to die!
Billy, my main purpose was to bring out and and spot light death to self as Jesus demonstrated. He did live, teach, and did miracles. That was not His main objective, although his life to demonstrate the Glory of His Father thru His teachings and miracles is very important, as I think is what you were concerned with.
To die for Chopper, Soul man, and Billybalke, was why the Godhead agreed to send Jesus to the earth to liberate mankind from their sins....John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Thank you my 86 year old Brother and friend. Wow, 86!!!! I hope I can live that long to continue to teach Truth from God's Word. I will continue to look for your posts to help Soul man and me to emphasize that every Christian must die to self, and live to please Jesus and His Father.
I love You,
Chopper
Chopper
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Thank you Preacher Ezra for those kind words of support. I honor you as a Preacher of the whole counsel of God's Word. Preach the Word my friend Ezra, live a life worthy of our Lord in front of the folk that you instruct, says the Lord. Jesus.
Soul man
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When Christ died on the cross-you died, all in Adam. Christ crucified the sin-nature, that's what was in the cup He drank from. Past, present, and future sin.
But He went to the root, the nature dies "in Christ," Adam, the oldman. People are still born with a sin nature, that is why they need to be in Christ. In Christ they are crucified with Him, the moment He died-you died.
The mind doesn't know it at salvation, basically goes untouched, the miracle is in spirit.
Paul is saying you need a mind to go along with the death of the oldman, and reckon the oldman dead, because he is.
We must learn Christ. We have a new nature "in Christ" now, it is a mind thing. The sin of a believer now comes from their mind, given to body which constitutes flesh.
The only separation the believer will ever have is in mind, nothing separates the believer from Christ.
The mind that needs renewed, and the reckoning is too the oldman, dead as Jesus on the cross.
We have a hard time expressing life (Christ) with a mind that is still alive to sin.
Everything the believer deals with is a mind issue.
That is where the HolySpirit is working, you're growth is a mind thing, understanding, knowledge, wisdom.
The seat of the uniqueness of our creation, is soul. Your very expression, is your soul lived through a body.
We are complete in spirit, being completed in mind, and will be completed in body.
It is imparative that we have "the revelation gospel" preached to us, Gal. 1:11-12,
"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
As well as a revelation of the Indwelling Christ, Gal. 1:15-16,
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
th1b.taylor
Member
And none have belittled or vilified any of Christ's teachings other than this accusation of that.
Soul man
Member
Sure I understand what you are saying, but without the death, burial, and resurrection there would be no life.
Starting a thread on life would be a good subject in our next study.
We really are preaching life when we preach the cross, John 12:24,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Paul was "determined to know nothing" but Christ crucified.
ezrider
Member
Accusations? What accusation? Which of Christ's teachings have I belittled or vilified in my comment? Are you speaking in tongues? Maybe someone can interpret for me. Otherwise what I hear from you is just babble...
You could have chosen to actually respond to one of my comments, but you didn't.
You could have chosen to actually answer one of my questions, but you did not.
Instead you chose to accuse me of something, But to the spirit of the accuser, I am dead to it.
ezrider
Member
Thank you for acknowledging your understanding of what I said. While it is important to remain cognizant that life and the real power are found in the resurrection. I acknowledge and understand your emphasis on the power of the Cross, which is Death.
Now I have asked the same questions both of yourself and Chopper. Chopper has yet to respond to any of my comments or questions, and you have not addressed them either. The two of you are presenting a teaching on the death of the cross. To be dead with Christ, crucified with him; to reckon yourself dead.
The question I asked was how do you, Soul man or Chopper, reckon yourselves to be dead? Explain to me what that means to you personally. Chopper in one of his comments said we are the living dead. So explain your own reckoning with death. I'm not asking for the words of a book, I'm asking about your faith.
Chopper said in his post that the First Truth was Jesus came to die. Not to teach, not to do miracles, but to die. Jesus said you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Explain to me how your death on the cross with Christ has set you free?
Soul man
Member
Crucified with Christ is what happens to a believing sinner.
A sinner is an unregenerate human being. A believer is a person who now has Christ in them, as their only life, Gal. 2:20.
We have no life of our own, the only life we have is Christ.
Example; you have no work life, relationships life, husband-wife life, church life, father-mother life, life-life, self-life.
You have one life, it is the Christ-life. Out of that life comes all life, such as the example.
For instance: this type of Spirit taught knowledge (revelation) makes the difference in life. Husband-wife, unless they understand the Christ-life they will struggle as we know. Even with knowledge life challenges us daily. The challenge becomes to live what I know.
It is our Father that directs our growth, Gal. 4:1-2.
When a man knows the only life his wife has is Christ and vice versa, it makes all the difference. As we grow in understanding, it is our Fathers intention that we live a spontaneous life, Christ.
I don't work it up, I know it's there and it is my responsibility to allow Him to live through my expression. Simple huh not really, the gospel of life takes time to get fixed in a believer after they hear it.
Religion rejects this type of life because it is much easier to live your life, repent go and do that same thing again, no growth. Keeps the people coming back for more, filling alters with sinning believers.
Many do not even know if their saved, religion is the greatest evil that can be heaped upon mankind.
th1b.taylor
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If you do not die to yourself how can you live a Christ-like life? Paul teaches us that though he was crucified with the Christ and he was dead, yet he lived but not is life but the Christ that lived in him lived.
If you let the Old Man that you carry around influence your life you are dead in your sins. If you leave the Old Man lay dead and let Christ live through you, you live. Simple though tough as nnails.
What I like is that even though we know what the cross represents you Chopper and Soul man are, at least to me, bringing us back to the place of no greater love than a man lay his life down for another, John 15:12,13. I really do not think many actually reflect on what Jesus truly went through for us. It makes me cry every time as I can not even fathom such a love.
Here is something to reflect on and hopefully some deeper revelations will come out from these scriptures as to why and what Jesus went through as He was lead to the cross and nailed upon it. 2Corinthians 5:16-21
ISAIAH 50:6 I HID NOT MY FACE FROM SHAME.
JOHN 18:22 FIRST TO HIT JESUS WITH AN OPEN PALM ON HIS FACE WAS A PAGAN ARMY OFFICER.
JOHN 18:23 JESUS ASKED THE OFFICER "WHY DID YOU HIT ME"?
ISAIAH 50:6 I ALSO HID NOT MY FACE FROM SPITTING.
MARK 15:19 A REED HIT HIM ON THE HEAD.
LUKE 22:63 THEY HIT HIS BODY WITH THEIR FISTS.
ISAIAH 53:5 HE WAS BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIES.
ISAIAH 50:6 I GAVE MY CHEEKS TO THEM THAT PLUCKED OFF MY BEARD.
JOHN 19:2 A CROWN OF THORNS WAS FORCED INTO THE FLESH OF HIS HEAD
MATTHEW 27:28 STRIPPED NAKED.
ISAIAH 50:6 I GAVE MY BACK TO THE SMITERS.
PSALMS 22:17 I COUNT MY BONES: THEY LOOK AND STARE UPON ME
ISAIAH. 53:2 WHEN WE SEE HIM, THERE IS NO BEAUTY THAT WE SHOULD DESIRE HIM.
ISAIAH 52:14 MANY WERE ASTONISHED AT HIM. HIS FACE AND BODY WAS MARRED MORE THAN ANY MAN.
JOHN 19:23 SOLDIERS CRUCIFIED CHRIST JESUS.
JOHN 19:36, PSALMS 34:20, NOT A BONE OF HIS BODY COULD BE BROKEN.
JOHN 10:18 NO MAN TAKES MY LIFE FROM ME I LAY IT DOWN MYSELF.
JOHN 19:34 A SOLDIER WITH A SPEAR PIERCED HIS SIDE.
THE LAST EIGHT SAYING OF JESUS ON THE CROSS
1. LUKE 23:34 Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
2. LUKE 23:43 Today you shall be with me in paradise.
3. JOHN 19:26 Woman, behold your son.
4. JOHN 19:27 Behold your mother.
5. MATTHEW 27:46 Eli, Eli lama sabachthani? That is to say, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
6. JOHN 19:28 I thirst.
7. JOHN 19:28 It is finished.
8. LUKE 23:46 Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.