Bible Study Great Secrets And Revelation Of The Cross.

[for_his_glory]

There is something about this statement that just strikes me as off. I'm struggling to find the words for it. I understand your emphasis here in the cross and the death of Christ, but I would be cautious in over emphasizing the purpose his death by diminishing the rest of what He did and accomplished. If we are to know Christ, then we must seek to know all of Christ; not just his death. In all frankness, I find His teachings to be equally if not more important than the death of the cross. Jesus was the law giver. It was through the words of Christ in the sermon on the Mount that the law went forth from Zion. The call to beat you swords into plowshares and live peaceably among men. To Love your enemy. It is these thing I find to be more important. It is these things that instruct me. It is the Words of Christ that the Holy Spirit calls to remembrance. It is the spirit of those words we live by.

The scripture says that we shall be created in the image of Christ. Which image is that? The image of a man upon a Cross? The image of a man who humbled himself and became a servant to others? Or the image of a God, as a King and conqueror?

So you are crucified with Christ. What does that mean to you personally? How would you express your own crucifixion? It was said of Jesus on the cross that he took unto himself all the sins of the worlds. If you are crucified with Christ, then you too should bear the sins of others. How does the Cross and the crucifixion of Christ allow you the bear the sins and burdens of others? How do you know your own death in Christ?

I know you are addressing Chopper, but I wanted to emphasize that the teachings of Christ before the cross held very little knowledge, especially Spiritual knowledge, to those, including the disciples until Christ was taken up and the Holy Spirit sent down.

The disciples could not understand with their carnal minds what Jesus was teaching them, but they knew he was a prophet sent from God and accepted the authority and power which he taught with through miracles, signs and wonders. It would not be until the Spirit of God was taken up out of the tomb and revealed to the hearts of those who believed on him that the same Spirit would be sent back down to dwell in the hearts of those who believed.

Romans 8:6 for to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Romans 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Acts 1:1 the former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Acts 1:2 until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Acts 1:3 to whom also he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Acts 1:4 and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Acts 1:7 and he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Acts 1:8 but ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:1 and when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 and suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 and there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The disciples could not understand with their carnal minds what Jesus was teaching them, but they knew he was a prophet sent from God and accepted the authority and power which he taught with through miracles, signs and wonders. It would not be until the Spirit of God was taken up out of the tomb and revealed to the hearts of those who believed on him that the same Spirit would be sent back down to dwell in the hearts of those who believed.

Romans 8:6 for to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Romans 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Acts 1:1 the former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Acts 1:2 until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Acts 1:3 to whom also he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Acts 1:4 and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Acts 1:7 and he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Acts 1:8 but ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:1 and when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 and suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 and there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

 

[Chopper]

When Christ died on the cross-you died, all in Adam. Christ crucified the sin-nature, that's what was in the cup He drank from. Past, present, and future sin.
But He went to the root, the nature dies "in Christ," Adam, the oldman. People are still born with a sin nature, that is why they need to be in Christ. In Christ they are crucified with Him, the moment He died-you died.
The mind doesn't know it at salvation, basically goes untouched, the miracle is in spirit.
Paul is saying you need a mind to go along with the death of the oldman, and reckon the oldman dead, because he is.
We must learn Christ. We have a new nature "in Christ" now, it is a mind thing. The sin of a believer now comes from their mind, given to body which constitutes flesh.
The only separation the believer will ever have is in mind, nothing separates the believer from Christ.
The mind that needs renewed, and the reckoning is too the oldman, dead as Jesus on the cross.
We have a hard time expressing life (Christ) with a mind that is still alive to sin.
Everything the believer deals with is a mind issue.
That is where the HolySpirit is working, you're growth is a mind thing, understanding, knowledge, wisdom.
The seat of the uniqueness of our creation, is soul. Your very expression, is your soul lived through a body.
We are complete in spirit, being completed in mind, and will be completed in body.
It is imparative that we have "the revelation gospel" preached to us, Gal. 1:11-12,

"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

As well as a revelation of the Indwelling Christ, Gal. 1:15-16,
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Your post is absolutely true, my beloved Brother. This your quote....

Everything the believer deals with is a mind issue.

....This is so true! Every good deed done for the glory of God, starts in the mind. The same can be said for sin, it all starts in the mind, progresses to thoughts which energizes the flesh and brings forth sin against our holy Elohim and Jesus Christ.

Thank you Soul man for your heart/mind to see Truth, and to teach us.

 

[Soul man]

The cross has brought about the ultimate plan of God, which was; to have nature-to-nature, face-to-face, one-to-one, birthed (born again) relationship with His very own offspring,
Hebrews 1:5, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

John 3:6, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

The key word is born, which means spirit is not created but comes through a birthing.
Remember Adam was created a living soul. With this in mind, it is the intention of our Father for His children to have a mind that is compatible with their spirit-nature,
Romans 12:2, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

You were born in sin, and even after you were born-again, the soul-mind goes relatively untouched. The miracle is in spirit--at the cross.

The soul-mind had to suppress the nature to be acceptable to society. What I mean by this is; as unregenerate human being, you have had to war against your nature to be accepted in this world.
If you don't, it's what Paul calls a "reprobate" mind.
Can you see some of the impact the cross has. Believers are the only people that can be double minded, the world has no choice.
Now the believer chooses to yield to the HolySpirit to be able too understand their new Christ in you nature so they will not suppress it.
The old nature had to be controlled, or suppressed by the mind. The new nature (Christ in you nature) does not need to be controlled. The soul-mind needs to be compatible with the new nature so there can be peace and harmony, oneness.
Remember the mind does not forget (hard drive). The old nature was the deceptive one.
It told you that you were the bad guy/girl, you were worthless sinner, the ugly one doing all this stuff. It's true, you did it, but the truth of the matter, it was your nature, innate sin-nature, you have always been dependent on your nature.
Your life came from your nature, it was death-life, nonetheless it was a life.
You have never been independent, some kind of separate being, just a me-me. No such thing as a self unto self, no such thing as human nature.
Your in one or the other, first Adam, or the last Adam.

 

[Soul man]

Can you see the life, when you preach Christ you are preaching absolute life. No shadows, no dought, absolute unadulterated life that only comes by the cross.
There is no greater power than the cross, it is the power of God unto salvation.
The gospel of Christ comes from the cross, in it the mystery of life is explained.
Paul mentions something else in Romans 1:9 I don't want to fail to mention since we are talking about mind,

9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Before the cross the only way to serve God was in soul, hence the law.
The born again will find serving God in soul only, is an arduous task.
We serve God in spirit. How do we do that, get your mind renewed. Being compatible with who you are now.
Religion tells us daily there is a war going on the inside. It doesn't have to be like that, all you need is provided in Christ and Calvary's glorious cross.
You know why so many have walked away, shipwrecked, faithless, they have not understood the cross. Leaders we trust had rather preach against sin, than preach the healing power of Galgotha's hill.
Most do not understand and can't preach it, and choose a ministry over the saints of God.
It is written, no longer hidden, revealed for all to see. It is our responsibility now to look and see what God has done in His Son.

 

[Soul man]

The disciples could not understand with their carnal minds what Jesus was teaching them, but they knew he was a prophet sent from God and accepted the authority and power which he taught with through miracles, signs and wonders. It would not be until the Spirit of God was taken up out of the tomb and revealed to the hearts of those who believed on him that the same Spirit would be sent back down to dwell in the hearts of those who believed.

A powerful truth of God, there was no HolySpirit poured out on mankind, penecost had to happen.
Nicodemus is a good example, he had no idea what Jesus was talking about, it was greek, no understanding.
Jesus drops the subject never to mention it again, other than oneness.
Jesus had at least a two fold ministry, one to Israel, and one as the lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world.
Remember, divide the scripture, it takes alot of the "not knowing" out, and you can know, John 14:20,
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

The revealed Gospel is the Gospel the believer needs, Gal. 1:11-12,
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Soul man]

Your post is absolutely true, my beloved Brother. This your quote........This is so true! Every good deed done for the glory of God, starts in the mind. The same can be said for sin, it all starts in the mind, progresses to thoughts which energizes the flesh and brings forth sin against our holy Elohim and Jesus Christ.

Thank you Soul man for your heart/mind to see Truth, and to teach us.

Thanks Ol' buddy, are we having fun yet. Hope all are enjoying, chime in folks I know you have alot to say.
Let's hear your thoughts, we are a body, and the body needs every member to be whole.

 

[Soul man]

1 Corinthians 2:9
9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” proverbs 29:18 where there is no vision (divine revaluation} the people perish .this post is full of strong meat ...the finished works of the cross for Christ sake is finished ..but the finished works of the cross for us is never ending . i have read several great thoughts spirit inspired . i preached a message last sunday morning on being between two opinions . i am not a writer my hat is off to those of you who have the gift to write... i have to preach it to bring it out... everything i have read is Bible and all the post are complementing each other......i like to see that in a forum .it shows Christ prayer for the Church to be one in him being fulfilled
Galatians 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. ..great post

Your writing seems fine to me, never under estimate yourself.
Just like preaching on paper, you write it down. The scriptures you use are deep thoughts for the HolySpirit to use. The scriptures are spiritually discerned. Thanks for joining in on our conversation.

 

[for_his_glory]

I thought about what was said about Jesus only came to die for us and Jesus truly did come to die for all of us that we can have a Spiritually renewed life through Him that is of Gods righteousness and not only a life here on this earth, but life eternal with the Father.

When the Romans would crucify someone for their crimes against the government or just plain thieves they would hang them on a cross until they died and yet never were they allowed to be taken off the cross to be buried. Instead they would leave them there and let the birds and animals feed off their bodies till there was nothing left as this was a form of humiliation and torture.

Joseph of Arimathea begged Pilate to take Jesus off the cross and bury him properly, John 19:38. Pilate gave him permission as it wasn't Pilates compassion for Jesus, but that of Gods purpose in sending His only begotten son into the world that by His life, death and resurrection we can have a Spiritually renewed life through Jesus.

 

[DavidC]

I was taught that Jesus came to set up His Kingdom and as a result we are offered salvation.

It brings the attention off of us and onto Him where it should be.

No offense of course, it's just we are not the only reason because it's not about us.

 

[ezrider]

I know you are addressing Chopper, but I wanted to emphasize that the teachings of Christ before the cross held very little knowledge, especially Spiritual knowledge, to those, including the disciples until Christ was taken up and the Holy Spirit sent down.

The disciples could not understand with their carnal minds what Jesus was teaching them, but they knew he was a prophet sent from God and accepted the authority and power which he taught with through miracles, signs and wonders. It would not be until the Spirit of God was taken up out of the tomb and revealed to the hearts of those who believed on him that the same Spirit would be sent back down to dwell in the hearts of those who believed.

It is these thing I find to be more important. It is these things that instruct me. It is the Words of Christ that the Holy Spirit calls to remembrance. It is the spirit of those words we live by.

As I pointed out in my earlier comment. It is the words of Christ that the Holy Spirit calls into remembrance. So in a way, I guess you are agreeing with me.

 

[ezrider]

When Christ died on the cross-you died, all in Adam. Christ crucified the sin-nature, that's what was in the cup He drank from. Past, present, and future sin.

Great secrets and revelations of the cross: Jesus did not drink from the cup.

Jesus prayed the Father three times to let the cup pass. On the cross, Jesus said I Thirst, but he did not drink from the cup.

 

[Soul man]

Great secrets and revelations of the cross: Jesus did not drink from the cup.

Jesus prayed the Father three times to let the cup pass. On the cross, Jesus said I Thirst, but he did not drink from the cup.

The cup I'm referring too is spiritual, Matthew, 26:39,
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Mark 14:36, And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

John 18:11, Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

 

[ezrider]

The cup I'm referring too is spiritual, Matthew, 26:39,
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Mark 14:36, And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

John 18:11, Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

Well, it looks like we are referring to the same cup. Jesus did not drink from it. Can you show me a scripture that said he drank the cup? Because I can show you one that says he did not.

 

[DavidC]

Well, it looks like we are referring to the same cup. Jesus did not drink from it. Can you show me a scripture that said he drank the cup? Because I can show you one that says he did not.

Pretty sure the cup is a symbol for the work He was about to endure.
Like how we carry our crosses, it isn't literal.

 

[ezrider]

Pretty sure the cup is a symbol for the work He was about to endure.
Like how we carry our crosses, it isn't literal.

No, there was a literal cup as foretold by a prophet.

 

[DavidC]

No, there was a literal cup as foretold by a prophet.

Did you give the verse yet? Can you give it again?
Thanks.

 

[ezrider]

Chopper said he was looking for new revelations and great secrets of the cross. Can you imagine his excitement when he realizes that the Father answered the prayer of Jesus. Jesus prayed the Father three times to let the cup pass. The Father answered His prayer on the cross, and he did not have to drink the cup.

 

[ezrider]

Pretty sure the cup is a symbol for the work He was about to endure.
Like how we carry our crosses, it isn't literal.

The cup was literal. It held something symbolic.

Did you give the verse yet? Can you give it again?
Thanks.

No, I have not given a verse yet. I have not given a verse yet to either of my statements, and at this time I will not post them in this Bible study. This is not my Bible study. This study is being conducted by Soul man and Chopper. If they wish to pursue this revelation of the cross, then I would be more than happy to present the scriptures in this study.

But since you asked, I'll give you more than just a verse. The following is a link to a Spirit inspired and Spirit lead study I did some months ago, as the words "I Thirst" came to rest on my mind.

http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/i-thirst.68397/

 

[for_his_glory]

As I pointed out in my earlier comment. It is the words of Christ that the Holy Spirit calls into remembrance. So in a way, I guess you are agreeing with me.

Only the Holy Spirit can teach us the Spiritual things of God as like I said before the Holy Spirit was sent down all men had was his own carnal understanding of what Jesus was teaching them and even then they had no true understanding.

Even so today many teach with a carnal (bandwagon) mind (knowledge) and have not the Spirit of God dwelling in them. This is why it is so important to learn what spirits are teaching us as apart from the Holy Spirit man can teach us nothing.

 

[Soul man]

I was taught that Jesus came to set up His Kingdom and as a result we are offered salvation.



It brings the attention off of us and onto Him where it should be.

No offense of course, it's just we are not the only reason because it's not about us.

The kingdom for believers is within now, seeing Christ as all and in all (born again) is to focus on Him. Good thoughts, it's not all about us, nor is it all about Him.
When we talk about the cross and what God has done, it is all about Him.
Eph. chapter 1, is a good place to read about Gods will in the two becoming one.
Look at the the new creation for instance, it is the two have become one, by a birthing.
That is what the Father sees, the believers mind is still trying to figure out what God has done.
We still have a part in all this, our creation, in the image and likeness of God is how He expresses Himself.
It is Christ alive in you, you're uniqueness
coming through.
Christ does not come out of you as Jesus of Narazeth, He comes out of you as you. The only way He can come out of you is through your creation.
We are not to imitate Jesus, we are to be as He is.
What do I mean by this; from the womb you received that special touch of God.
Your personality, gifts, talents, and so on, the way you are perceived by others.
You are perfect the way God made you.
It is the nature that has distorted man, nothing wrong with their creation. Now in Christ we receive a new nature, learning about the natures is a real key to help you look at scripture.
It will begin to unlock the mind, understanding, you look at scripture from a different perspective, in Christ.