Have Tongues Ceased?

[Tulipbee]

The gift of tongues was given to spread the gospel.

Journeyman, let us continue our discussion within the framework of Calvinism, as guided by John Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" and supported by biblical principles.

1. Gift of Tongues and the Spread of the Gospel:While you rightly point out that the gift of tongues was given to spread the gospel, it's crucial to understand Calvin's perspective on spiritual gifts. Calvin acknowledges the legitimate purpose of spiritual gifts, including tongues, in edifying the church. However, his emphasis on the sufficiency of Scripture leads him to approach these gifts with discernment. In 1 Corinthians 14:33, Paul underscores the need for order in the use of spiritual gifts: "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace."
2. Arminian Errors:Calvinism counters Arminianism by affirming the doctrines of unconditional election and irresistible grace. Romans 9:15 reinforces this perspective, stating, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." Calvin's emphasis on God's sovereign choice in salvation opposes the idea of human free will as the decisive factor.
3. Prevenient Grace and John Wesley:Calvin's theology challenges the concept of prevenient grace, which suggests a universal grace enabling all to respond to God. Ephesians 1:4-5 supports the Calvinist understanding of God's elective grace: "In love, he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will."
4. Oneness, Word of Faith Errors:Calvinism critiques certain aspects of Oneness theology and the Word of Faith movement, particularly in their understanding of the Trinity and the prosperity gospel. Calvin, in the Institutes, upholds the orthodox Trinitarian view, emphasizing the biblical foundation for correct theological formulations.
5. Cessationism:Regarding cessationism, Calvin's position is nuanced. While he acknowledges the presence of spiritual gifts in the early church, he also emphasizes the need for their proper use. Calvin's focus on the authority of Scripture suggests that any continuation of miraculous gifts should align with biblical principles. 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 underscores this idea: "As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away."

Let us continue our exploration of these theological nuances, grounded in the rich tradition of Calvinism and informed by the wisdom of the Scriptures.

 

[Tulipbee]

Which "book" are you talking about ?

Speaking in tongues is a supernatural event powered by the Holy Spirit .

You ain't just a woofing there !

Hawkman,

Calvinism is a theological system that emphasizes the sovereignty of God in salvation. It is based on the teachings of John Calvin, a French Reformer who lived in the 16th century. Calvinism has had a significant impact on the development of Protestantism, and it continues to be a major force in many Christian churches today.

Calvinism and Cessationism

One of the distinctive features of Calvinism is its view of cessationism. Cessationism is the belief that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and prophecy, ceased after the death of the apostles. Calvinists believe that these gifts were only intended for the early church, and that they are no longer necessary today.

Calvin's Institutes of Religion

Calvin's views on cessationism are set forth in his Institutes of Religion, a systematic theology that he published in 1536. In the Institutes, Calvin argues that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit were given to the apostles and other early Christians in order to confirm the truth of the gospel. However, he says, these gifts are no longer necessary because the gospel has now been fully established.

Biblical Support for Cessationism

Calvin's view of cessationism is supported by several passages of Scripture. For example, in 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, Paul says that "tongues will cease, prophecies will fail, and knowledge will vanish away." He also says that "when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away." (1 Corinthians 13:10)

Defense of Calvinism

Calvinism has been criticized by some for its emphasis on the sovereignty of God. Some people argue that Calvinism makes God seem arbitrary and capricious. However, Calvinists believe that God's sovereignty is not a denial of human freedom. Rather, they believe that God's sovereignty is the foundation of human freedom.

Conclusion

Calvinism is a complex and nuanced theological system. Its view of cessationism is just one of many distinctive features. Calvinism has been a major force in the development of Protestantism, and it continues to be a major force in many Christian churches today.

 

[Tulipbee]

The gift of languages was for verbal communication of the gospel our Lord preached. Nothing to do with dance.

**Calvinism's View on Cessationism:**

Cessationism is the belief that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing, ceased after the apostolic age. Calvinists typically hold to a cessationist view, arguing that these gifts were given to the early church for a specific purpose, namely, to confirm the apostles' message and to establish the church. Once the church was firmly established, these gifts were no longer necessary.

**Biblical Support for Calvin's Cessationist View:**

* **1 Corinthians 13:8-10:** "Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away."

* **Ephesians 4:11-13:** "And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ."

**Implications of Calvin's Cessationist View:**

Calvin's cessationist view has several implications for the church today. First, it means that we should not expect to see the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit operating in the church in the same way that they did in the apostolic age. Second, it means that we should focus on the ordinary means of grace, such as preaching, teaching, and prayer, for the growth and edification of the church. Third, it means that we should be wary of claims that certain individuals have miraculous gifts, as these claims are often false or misleading.

You're speaking in Kundalini tone which they speak exactly how you speak.

 

[hawkman]

"Why not experience a blissful and incomprehensible state of boundless joy? What harm can come from activating the Kundalini, the divine energy within us?"

So , what does Calvinism say about activating the Kundalini ?

Tulipbee , which one are you a practitioner of , Calvinism of Kundalini , or both ?

 

[journeyman]

1. In 1 Corinthians 14:33, Paul underscores the need for order in the use of spiritual gifts: "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace."

His point is that people are edified when they understand language. People who have this gift know what they're saying,

1Co 14:4 - He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;.....But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church and let him speak to himself and to God. 1Cor.14:4,28 KJV

1. Arminian Errors:Calvinism counters Arminianism by affirming the doctrines of unconditional election and irresistible grace. Romans 9:15 reinforces this perspective, stating, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." Calvin's emphasis on God's sovereign choice in salvation opposes the idea of human free will as the decisive factor.

God simply meant He has mercy on those who humble themselves.

to him that is poor and of a contrites pirit and trembleth at my word. Isa.66:2 KJV

Many resist Gods' grace,

ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Act.7:51 KJV

 

[Tulipbee]

So , what does Calvinism say about activating the Kundalini ?

Tulipbee , which one are you a practitioner of , Calvinism of Kundalini , or both ?

So , what does Calvinism say about activating the Kundalini ?

Tulipbee , which one are you a practitioner of , Calvinism of Kundalini , or both ?

Kundalini force is a physical vibration, similar to sound or light. Spiritual things, however, are spaceless and timeless, and do not have vibrations. Electrical activity in the brain can cause vocal movements, but this is not the same as the tongues spoken by the apostles.

 

[Tulipbee]

His point is that people are edified when they understand language. People who have this gift know what they're saying,

1Co 14:4 - He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;.....But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church and let him speak to himself and to God. 1Cor.14:4,28 KJV

God simply meant He has mercy on those who humble themselves.

to him that is poor and of a contrites pirit and trembleth at my word. Isa.66:2 KJV

Many resist Gods' grace,

ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Act.7:51 KJV

In Calvinism, the concept of journeyman is not explicitly discussed. However, Calvin's Institutes of Religion provides insights into the broader themes of salvation, grace, and the role of the Holy Spirit, which can be applied to understand the journeyman's perspective.

1. **Total Depravity:** According to Calvin, humans are born in a state of total depravity, meaning they are completely unable to choose good or resist evil on their own. This implies that individuals cannot initiate tongues in their own salvation or contribute to their spiritual growth.

2. **Unconditional Election:** Calvinism teaches that God, in His sovereignty, chooses certain individuals for salvation before the foundation of the world. This election is not based on any foreseen merit, self induced epileptic vocal seizure or works of the individual but solely on God's gracious decision.

3. **Irresistible Grace:** Once God elects an individual, He applies irresistible grace to draw them to Himself. This grace is not merely a gentle persuasion but an irresistible power that overcomes the individual's natural resistance to God.

4. **Perseverance of the Saints:** Calvinism affirms that those whom God has elected and called to salvation will persevere in faith and ultimately be glorified. This perseverance is not dependent on the individual's efforts but is sustained by God's grace.

Regarding cessationalism, Calvinism generally holds that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing, were temporary and ceased after the apostolic age. This view is based on the belief that these gifts were given to authenticate the apostles' ministry and to establish the early church. Once the church was firmly established, the need for these extraordinary gifts diminished and not the same as your self induced epileptic vocal seizures via vibrations sometime called Kundalini force.

However, it's important to note that Calvinism does not explicitly address the issue of epilepsy and its relation to speaking vocally. The Bible does not provide specific guidance on this matter, and different Christian traditions may have varying interpretations.

Some individuals with epilepsy may experience vocalizations or glossolalia during seizures. These vocalizations are typically involuntary and not under the individual's control. In such cases, it is essential to seek medical attention to rule out any underlying neurological conditions.

It's crucial to approach individuals with epilepsy with compassion and understanding, recognizing that their experiences may be complex and unique. The church should provide support and care for those affected by epilepsy, regardless of their theological beliefs or interpretations.

See page 185 at https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/It...dulum - On the Mechanics of Consciousness.PDF more a broader explanation. This will help you see wolves in sheep's clothing gaslighting you for greed

 

[Tulipbee]

Individuals with epilepsy may experience vocalizations or glossolalia during seizures.

• Vocalizations: These can include incoherent sounds, words, or phrases that are not part of the individual's normal speech.
• Glossolalia: This refers to speaking in an unknown or unintelligible language.

These vocalizations are typically involuntary and not under the individual's control. They are a symptom of the seizure activity in the brain.

Possible causes of vocalizations and glossolalia during epileptic seizures:

• Activation of language centers in the brain: Seizures can cause abnormal electrical activity in the brain, which may involve the language centers. This can lead to the production of speech-like sounds or words.
• Release of inhibitory mechanisms: Seizures can also disrupt the brain's inhibitory mechanisms, which normally prevent the production of inappropriate speech. This can result in the release of vocalizations or glossolalia.
• Altered states of consciousness: Seizures can cause altered states of consciousness, such as trance-like states or fugue states. During these states, individuals may experience changes in their speech patterns, including vocalizations or glossolalia.

It's important to note that not all individuals with epilepsy experience vocalizations or glossolalia during seizures. The frequency and severity of these symptoms can vary widely from person to person.

If you witness someone experiencing vocalizations or glossolalia during a seizure, it's important to remain calm and provide assistance as needed:

• Stay with the person until the seizure ends.
• Protect the person from injury by moving them away from any hazards.
• Do not restrain the person or try to stop the seizure.
• Once the seizure ends, help the person to a safe and comfortable position.
• If the person is unresponsive or has difficulty breathing, call for emergency medical assistance.

Individuals with epilepsy who experience vocalizations or glossolalia during seizures should work with their doctor to manage their condition and reduce the frequency and severity of seizures.

 

[journeyman]

In Calvinism, the concept of journeyman is not explicitly discussed.

And it appears you have no desire to discuss it because I just showed you how Gods' grace is resisted and you simply ignored it,

ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Act.7:51 KJV

 

[Tulipbee]

And it appears you have no desire to discuss it because I just showed you how Gods' grace is resisted and you simply ignored it,

ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Act.7:51 KJV

Carlos Sotelo,

Calvin's Institutes of Religion provide a comprehensive overview of his theological beliefs, including his views on election, predestination, and the role of grace in salvation. According to Calvin, God is sovereign over all things, and He has chosen from eternity those whom He will save. This election is not based on any merit or foreseen faith in the individual, but solely on God's grace.

The Bible supports Calvin's view of election in passages such as Ephesians 1:4-5, which states, "In love, he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves."

Arminianism, on the other hand, teaches that God's election is based on His foreknowledge of who will believe in Christ. This view allows for the possibility of human free will in the process of salvation. However, Calvin argues that this view undermines the sovereignty of God and makes salvation dependent on human merit.

The Bible refutes the Arminian view of election in passages such as Romans 9:11-13, which states, "Before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, 'The older will serve the younger.'"

Regarding the concept of tongues, Calvin believed that the gift of tongues was a temporary sign given to the early church to confirm the apostles' message. He did not believe that tongues were meant to be a regular or ongoing practice in the church.

The Bible supports Calvin's view of tongues in passages such as 1 Corinthians 14:22, which states, "Tongues are a sign to unbelievers, not to believers; while prophecy is for believers, not for unbelievers."

In conclusion, Calvin's view of election, predestination, and the role of grace in salvation is rooted in the Bible and provides a solid foundation for understanding these complex theological concepts. Arminianism, on the other hand, introduces human free will into the equation, which undermines the sovereignty of God and makes salvation dependent on human merit. The Bible also supports Calvin's view of tongues as a temporary sign given to the early church, rather than an ongoing practice in the church.

 

[journeyman]

Carlos Sotelo,

Calvin's Institutes of Religion provide a comprehensive overview of his theological beliefs, including his views on election, predestination, and the role of grace in salvation. According to Calvin, God is sovereign over all things, and He has chosen from eternity those whom He will save. This election is not based on any merit or foreseen faith in the individual, but solely on God's grace.

The Bible supports Calvin's view of election in passages such as Ephesians 1:4-5, which states, "In love, he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves."

Arminianism, on the other hand, teaches that God's election is based on His foreknowledge of who will believe in Christ. This view allows for the possibility of human free will in the process of salvation. However, Calvin argues that this view undermines the sovereignty of God and makes salvation dependent on human merit.

The Bible refutes the Arminian view of election in passages such as Romans 9:11-13, which states, "Before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, 'The older will serve the younger.'"

Regarding the concept of tongues, Calvin believed that the gift of tongues was a temporary sign given to the early church to confirm the apostles' message. He did not believe that tongues were meant to be a regular or ongoing practice in the church.

The Bible supports Calvin's view of tongues in passages such as 1 Corinthians 14:22, which states, "Tongues are a sign to unbelievers, not to believers; while prophecy is for believers, not for unbelievers."

In conclusion, Calvin's view of election, predestination, and the role of grace in salvation is rooted in the Bible and provides a solid foundation for understanding these complex theological concepts. Arminianism, on the other hand, introduces human free will into the equation, which undermines the sovereignty of God and makes salvation dependent on human merit. The Bible also supports Calvin's view of tongues as a temporary sign given to the early church, rather than an ongoing practice in the church.

Any passage you cite should agree with what I cited, but it doesn't the way you interpret it. There is no pride in recognizing we're sinners in need of Gods' grace.
Here it is again,

Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off. Psa.138:6

 

[hawkman]

Kundalini force is a physical vibration, similar to sound or light. Spiritual things, however, are spaceless and timeless, and do not have vibrations. Electrical activity in the brain can cause vocal movements, but this is not the same as the tongues spoken by the apostles.

Tulipbee , what does Calvinism say about activating the Kundalini ?

 

[Tulipbee]

Tulipbee , what does Calvinism say about activating the Kundalini ?

nothing

 

[hawkman]

"Why not experience a blissful and incomprehensible state of boundless joy? What harm can come from activating the Kundalini, the divine energy within us?"

@Tulipbee , what does Calvinism say about activating the Kundalini ?

nothing

What does Tulipbee as a Christian say about activating the Kundalini ? You recommended it to journeyman .

 

[tdidymas]

I WANT TO BELIEVE

I went to several Pentecostal and Charismatic churches for the first 25 years of my Christian walk (and 15 years prior), including: UPC, Independent Pentecostal, Apostolic Faith, Assemblies of God, Independent Charismatic, and Vineyard Movement. I spoke in tongues as it is taught by all those denominations. But after 45 years of studying the Bible, growing spiritually, and experiencing God, I found that I was deceived, and that what I was practicing was not of divine origin.

That knowledge did not come suddenly. But looking back on that experience, not once did I hear an authentic Biblical tongues in which a real and intelligible message was conveyed. Every time I heard tongues and interpretation, they did not have a semblance of comparison. I listened to this video:

which sounds like a language with a translation. Can someone with linguistic knowledge prove to me that it is? Otherwise, I have to assume that it's a Big Fish Story.

I also listened to this video:

It is unconvincing. The point of it is that the speech center of the man's brain was inactive while he was speaking in tongues. DUH!! It means he wasn't speaking anything that had meaning. One could say he was just moving his mouth and making noise, so of course the speech center of his brain was inactive. So it doesn't prove anything at all.

The problem with "sounding like..." doesn't make it true or authentic. In order for me (and millions of other Christians like me) to know that modern tongues is authentic and of God is to show its miraculous nature. Just claiming it is miraculous doesn't make it so. Neither does debating scripture and opinions cut the mustard, as has been proven by many posts in several forums.

What needs to happen is for someone with authentic Biblical tongues to make a video of them speaking in tongues, and let it be examined by linguists who have the ability to decode the message. Like the video above, tongues and interpretation would really be great, in which a linguist can figure out the message in tongues and verify that the interpretation is correct.

What I would like is for people to stop being lazy about this issue. If people started recording their tongues and transliterating what they said, and presented it to linguists for translation, think about how the churches could be edified. Pentecostals and Charismatics (P/Cs) everywhere would be greatly encouraged that this activity is proven miraculous. There would be no more excuses for cessationists to reject it, so it would bring unity to Christians everywhere. False tongues would be exposed and that would shut the mouths of pretenders and those deceived.

But according to this book: https://www.amazon.com/Tongues-men-angels-religious-
Pentecostalism/dp/B0006C0R5U/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=samarin&qid=1561690737&s=books&sr=1-1
modern tongues is a pseudo-language. It sounds like a language, but lacks structure and vocabulary to convey any meaning. It also states that non-Christians can do it, and in fact, anyone can do it, if they try hard enough. I have done it myself (it was sincere), since at the time I was Pentecostal and firmly believed in it. That anyone can do it has been verified, since non-Christians have done it.

And according to P/C doctrine, every Christian could/should/may speak in tongues. The doctrinal statements go something like this: Every Christian can receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, and speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. So if we examine these statements carefully, there is a clear assumption that anyone can speak in tongues (if baptized in the Spirit). This implies that anyone can do it, in fact, it is the expectation of P/Cs that every Christian ought to have this experience.

Yet, it is clearly NOT a Biblical expectation. The apostle Paul taught that the Holy Spirit is the one who decides who gets what gift, even if he said "desire earnestly the best gifts." Desiring a gift doesn't guarantee getting it, because it is given by God, not taken by people. Yet, it remains a P/C expectation, to the extent that it is a dogma in those denominations.

I claim that modern tongues is a human ability, and is not of divine origin (nor is it demonic). Let someone prove me wrong. Post a video of yourself speaking in tongues, and also post a transliteration of what you spoke in that video, along with the interpretation. Let's get some linguistic evaluation of it, to find out if there is a real message in it, or if it's merely random syllables that convey no meaning, and if the interpretation really corresponds to the "tongues." This action could edify the churches greatly, as it could prove (or disprove) the miraculous nature of modern tongues; provided, of course, that people aren't lying about not knowing the language they are speaking.

So far the stories I have heard about missionaries hearing words in English (or other known languages) that someone spoke who didn't know the language, are unconvincing. I have memorized psalms and other scriptures in other languages I didn't know and spoke them. It is easy for a missionary to learn "praise Jesus" or other short phrases in the indigent language and repeat them while "speaking in tongues." Such anecdotes simply are not convincing.

As long as people are kept in the dark, the controversy will never be resolved. Christians will continue to be divided on the issue. Counterfeit tongues will continue to cover up any authentic gift by virtue of sheer noise. So then, why continue to keep people in the dark about it? Is it too much work? Is there a fear of exposure, that it might show that "The Emperor Has No Clothes"? Is this why P/Cs want tongues to remain in the realm of the mysterious?

I get that P/Cs have a vested interest in keeping people in the dark about it. The Bible says "he who comes to the light does so, that it might be shown that what he has done has been done through God." So, if anyone wants to show that his gift of tongues is done through God, then the way to do that is the way I suggested above. But if people don't want to do that, it begs the question 'why'. Because if modern tongues is not miraculous and not of God, then anyone who does it and claims it is a gift of the Spirit is taking the Lord's name in vain. It's just like someone claiming to be a prophet and saying "thus saith the Lord" when the Lord did not speak to them - that person takes the Lord's name
in vain (in other words, misusing God). So it is with someone who speaks random syllables with no inherent meaning, and says "it's a miraculous gift of the Spirit". Such a person is taking the name of the Lord in vain, because it is neither miraculous, nor a gift of the Spirit. Just because a person sincerely believes that what they are speaking is the authentic gift of tongues, doesn't make it so, and it doesn't get them off the hook about taking the Lord's name in vain.

Come on, people. Stop the laziness. Do the work. Prove the miraculous nature of speaking in tongues. Real healings have been documented. I don't mean Big Fish Stories. I mean pictures, Xrays, before/after comparisons, doctors examining and diagnosing, and documenting the healings. Why can't this be done with tongues? The only documented evidence I've seen is such as in the book I referenced "Tongues of Men and Angels," that shows the marked non-miraculous nature of it. Let's get busy on the other side, doing the same evaluation of the authentic gift!

Anecdotal evidence is not enough. It's not enough that people have testimonies about it. P/Cs have been historically notorious for Big Fish stories (so have groups in other denominations). Hearsay is not valid evidence. Just because you believe a story doesn't make it true. What is valid evidence in this case is videos, transliterations, translations, and linguistic evaluations. I dare say that every video posted on youtube of people speaking in tongues is not authentic Biblical tongues. Prove me wrong. Do the work.

But this I say to people who respond badly to this post (which is likely): are you afraid that your so-called "gift" will be shown to be fraudulent? Will you lazily keep on arguing theory, conjecture, and urban legend? Such debates rely on the ignorance of people and exalts opinions as if those opinions are "God's word." Only clear physical evidence can bring Christians together on the issue. I WANT to believe, and I WANT to be proven wrong. But at this point, I think modern tongues is just a Big Fish Story.

 

[electedbyhim]

I have posted this study a while back when the tongues issue came up. My personal belief is that all sign gifts have ceased.

Here is the rules to speaking in tongues per 1 Corinthians 14

TONGUES HAD TO BE HUMAN LANGUAGES.

1 Corinthians 14:10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. Incomprehensible cannot be allowed.

TONGUES WERE A SIGN TO UNBELIEVING JEWS.

1 Corinthians 14:21-22 In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord. 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.


TONGUES WERE FOR PUBLIC USE AND EDIFYING THE CHURCH.

1 Corinthians 14:12 So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.

1 Corinthians 14:13 Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. interpret.

1 Corinthians 14:26 What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.


The so-called closet use of tongues has no Biblical foundation whatsoever. The private use of tongues is selfish, unwarranted, and unbiblical.


A MAXIMUM OF TWO OR THREE WERE ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN ANY MEETING

1Corinthians14:27a If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three

This means that, if a fourth person speaks in tongues in the same meeting, it is not of the Spirit of God but of another spirit.


ONE PERSON AT A TIME WAS TO SPEAK IN TONGUES

1 Corinthians14:27b and each in turn,

In turn. The Bible leaves nothing to guesswork. If two speak at the same time, at least one of them is not of God.


AN INTERPRETER HAD TO BE PRESENT.

1 Corinthians14:27c and one must interpret;

1 Corinthians 14:28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.

Not only must tongues be earthly languages, but they also must be interpreted for the benefit of all.


SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS TO BE CONTROLLED.

1 Corinthians 14:32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;

The Holy Spirit never takes anyone out of control.

ANY CONFUSION OR DISORDER IN THE ASSEMBLY WAS AN INDICATION OF SOMETHING THAT DID NOT ORIGINATE FROM GOD.

1 Corinthians 14:33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.


TONGUES WERE FOR MEN ONLY.

1 Corinthians 14:34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

The context of 1 Corinthians 14 is tongues; and, since a verse cannot be interpreted apart from its context, we come to the conclusion that the speaking in verse 34 refers to speaking in tongues. Women are not allowed to do it.


TO RECOGNIZE THESE REGULATIONS AS THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD WAS IMPERATIVE.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment.


THOUGH NOT FORBIDDING TONGUES IN THE APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY, THE PREDOMINANT COMMAND WAS “COVET TO PROPHESY”

1 Corinthians14:39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.

LET EVERYTHING BE DONE DECENTLY AND IN ORDER.

1Corinthians14:40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.

 

[hawkman]

I went to several Pentecostal and Charismatic churches for the first 25 years of my Christian walk (and 15 years prior), including: UPC, Independent Pentecostal, Apostolic Faith, Assemblies of God, Independent Charismatic, and Vineyard Movement. I spoke in tongues as it is taught by all those denominations. But after 45 years of studying the Bible, growing spiritually, and experiencing God, I found that I was deceived, and that what I was practicing was not of divine origin.

Hey brother tdidymas , good to hear from you . The part in bold , I must ask how was it they were teaching you to speak in tongues ? What was the method ?

 

[hawkman]

The life as a tongue talker:
You are at the bottom of spiritual gifts.
Very few people outside those who are tongue talkers try to understand.

The least of the Signs Gifts is what they say . But it is a Gift of the Holy Spirit .

Encouragements for moving to higher gifts are given. The Holy Spirit gives the gifts. Earthern vessels contain the gifts.

If You are not pressing forward to a higher calling most times you are going backward .
Onward Christian soldiers eddif .

 

[eddif]

The so-called closet use of tongues has no Biblical foundation whatsoever. The private use of tongues is selfish, unwarranted, and unbiblical.

First Corinthians 14:28 kjv
28. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Language begins in a child. The development of language develops over 12 plus years. A debating team may be a high order of language.


If a language disability problem exists a private tutor or special semi-private sessions may be used. This is the physical, but parallel to the spiritual.

The gift of healing takes time in the spiritual. The practice of medicine takes years and a supervised period of practice. In the Old Testament there was a school of the prophets.


This thread is sure not much of a school of the prophets. Regretfully.

Second or third or 116th best is low, but …..

Mississippi redneck
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This thread is sure not much of a school of the prophets. Regretfully.

I did remember tongues plus interpretation equals prophecy. Not quite a prophet.

I have a relative in a 168th? ranked Mechanical Engineering University. We will see how it turns out. John the Baptist attended Wilderness University.

There are many factors in dealing with spiritual gifts. They killed Old Testament Prophets.

Mississippi redneck
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