Have Tongues Ceased?

[YeshuaGlory]

@ Elect
Not sure what you mean
Why would they try to convince you?
That tongues is soooo important, and that you really should have the experience?
I know its real, but i would never try to convince anyone.
What the bible teaches?
Not sure what you mean.
Phh I think you are saying you understand pauls letters on the gifts dif from the pentacostals.
Even though they speak in toungues, I have no intents of fellowshipping with that group. I know them well.
and no one , every group is different.
I ;ve known 10+ groups they are all the same
Just go to YT and watch a service
, YUCKKKK
You could not pay me to attend any church.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I agree.

Many will be along to tell you that is wrong.

Paul laid it out logically. To keep order people who could speak a 2nd language were to keep silent if no one in the congregation could translate it.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

Paul laid it out logically. To keep order people who could speak a 2nd language were to keep silent if no one in the congregation could translate it.

Yes that is what paul said, But as you know since God has not given the pentacostals a goft of translating the tongue IN THE ASSEMBLY,, only if the tongue spoke for was edifying = Prophesy is a sense.. Correct
But as you know they get itchy and want to show others look I speak in toubgues, the other says gee I can too, Thats not what paul advises, But they do this speaking out any way Regardless what paul says

Now recall I mentioned above ina post.. that i **thought** the phonetics of mine and others tongues, did not **seem** like any ancient erath language that it may sound more **celestial**
well I was looking at my YT, and the offerings were about rich bread and pasttries .
I was about to leave the comp, just 1 more vid looked enticing.
Vol was off, Then I put vol on and wow, it was like **this woman's language sure sounds awefully similar to tongues**
THere God proved my ide wrong, It is earthly but ceretainly ancient. at that time Acts there must have been countless dialects. UNREAL.
No doubt this language of tongues is of ancient origin. Might be from small clan up in the mountains of asia, UNREAL how God works.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

ohh the llink

 

[YeshuaGlory]

Just relistened again., wow, phonetics very close to how my tongues sound., while others I've heard,, sound dif from my gift.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Yes that is what paul said, But as you know since God has not given the pentacostals a goft of translating the tongue IN THE ASSEMBLY,, only if the tongue spoke for was edifying = Prophesy is a sense.. Correct
But as you know they get itchy and want to show others look I speak in toubgues, the other says gee I can too, Thats not what paul advises, But they do this speaking out any way Regardless what paul says

Now recall I mentioned above ina post.. that i **thought** the phonetics of mine and others tongues, did not **seem** like any ancient erath language that it may sound more **celestial**
well I was looking at my YT, and the offerings were about rich bread and pasttries .
I was about to leave the comp, just 1 more vid looked enticing.
Vol was off, Then I put vol on and wow, it was like **this woman's language sure sounds awefully similar to tongues**
THere God proved my ide wrong, It is earthly but ceretainly ancient. at that time Acts there must have been countless dialects. UNREAL.
No doubt this language of tongues is of ancient origin. Might be from small clan up in the mountains of asia, UNREAL how God works.

You're missing Pauls' point. He's saying , "If no one can translate for the speaker....because the soeakers 1st language is different from the congregations."

Please, understand that the speaker himself understands what he's saying.

Look at the text,

tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: 1Cor.14:22

They were preaching the gospel in another language or dialect for preaching the gospel.

 

[Hopeful 2]

You're missing Pauls' point. He's saying , "If no one can translate for the speaker....because the soeakers 1st language is different from the congregations."

Please, understand that the speaker himself understands what he's saying.

Then the speaker is the interpreter.

Look at the text,
tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: 1Cor.14:22
They were preaching the gospel in another language or dialect for preaching the gospel.

Do you understand that there are two types of speaking in tongues ?
One, a language of the earth; and the other, a language of God ?
While I am praying in tongues, I am not speaking French or German.
I am speaking what Paul refers to as the tongues of angels. (1 Cor 13:1)

 

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[eddif]

Then the speaker is the interpreter.

Do you understand that there are two types of speaking in tongues ?
One, a language of the earth; and the other, a language of God ?
While I am praying in tongues, I am not speaking French or German.
I am speaking what Paul refers to as the tongues of angels. (1 Cor 13:1)

Hopeful 2 you are doing pretty good.

Tongues are directed to a specific individual or group (like parables to those who are to hear).
Others hear gibberish and think the speakers are drunk.

The Gospel slides past some as gibberish.
The language of God and the languages of men. Angels / messengers can carry a specific message for a specific receiver/receivers and not know the message meaning (tongues). A messenger who knows the message can teach/ interpret for the receiver.

I do not think I understand everything.

A speaker can speak to a persons inner thoughts and bystanders will have no idea of what just happened.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

Then the speaker is the interpreter.

Do you understand that there are two types of speaking in tongues ?
One, a language of the earth; and the other, a language of God ?
While I am praying in tongues, I am not speaking French or German.
I am speaking what Paul refers to as the tongues of angels. (1 Cor 13:1)

The prophets of the Old Testament had the message, but their minds did not understand the message they spoke. God sent them with the message in spite of their lack of understanding.

Today tongues still come to some people, and their minds are unfruitful at first. The better deal today is that we can pray to understand. All this is not on some peoples radar. We don’t let the confusion surrounding this keep us from what we are called to do. The hearers are there, or we need to go to those who want/need to hear.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[YeshuaGlory]

THe 2028 Out Pouring ((lack of a better term) you will see a few people gifted w speaking in tongues, their faces aglow w joy
Those OUTSIDE of this exp and have no belief that it is real, will shake their heads walk away,
It will happen.
THe beaming joy comes from this powerful exp.
Their minds will be cleaer than ever. Their ability to express will be hightened. when I had the 1st exp, I knew something had gappened. Then 1 yr later I had the Baptism of the spirit, I could speak so eloquently, crack the most perfect lines, It was like my mind had transformed into a New man.
I lost that anointing due to poor judgements, habits.
I am praying this OP God Grants me that same joy and mind healing.
4 yrs to wait
Dont wait for the disaster to strike, He comes as a THEIF IN THE NIGHTTTTTTTTTTT
Prep NOW, after the disaster, what good will faith prayer, belliuef do you?????
THose who are scoffers doubters NOW TODAY, and refuse to change
will pay a heavy price
For the wages of sin
Is what??
Scoffing and doubt is
SIN

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Then the speaker is the interpreter.

Provided he could speak the hearers language. The problem is he couldn't so Paul said keep silent. There is no value in speaking to someone who doesn't understand the language.

Do you understand that there are two types of speaking in tongues ?
One, a language of the earth; and the other, a language of God ?
While I am praying in tongues, I am not speaking French or German.
I am speaking what Paul refers to as the tongues of angels. (1 Cor 13:1)

The "tongues of angels" is to communicate Gods' word in any human language the hearer understands,

Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 1Cor.14:17 KJV

What the speaker understands is fruitless if the hearer can't understand what's being said (vs.14.)

 

[Hopeful 2]

Hopeful 2 you are doing pretty good.
Tongues are directed to a specific individual or group (like parables to those who are to hear).
Others hear gibberish and think the speakers are drunk.

Not all the time.
When I pray in tongues it is just between the Spirit within me and God.

The Gospel slides past some as gibberish.

The gospel is presented in easy to understand native languages.
If God grants a person the gift of tongues so they can speak somebody else's native language, (like in Acts 2), I can only hope that the speaker would know what he was saying.
In Acts 2, it seems the apostles and disciples got some feedback from the audience so they knew what was going on,

The language of God and the languages of men.

Men will understand the language of man, but an interpreter is required for the language of God.

Angels / messengers can carry a specific message for a specific receiver/receivers and not know the message meaning (tongues).

I can't imagine as angel being sent to man and not understanding what God wants him to utter.
I can, however, imagine a man speaking in tongues and not understanding what the Spirit says.
I never have known what the Spirit is saying when I speak in tongues.
It is between the Spirit and God.

A messenger who knows the message can teach/ interpret for the receiver.

Sure.

I do not think I understand everything.

Who does ?

A speaker can speak to a persons inner thoughts and bystanders will have no idea of what just happened.

Sure, it happens all the time.

 

[Hopeful 2]

The prophets of the Old Testament had the message, but their minds did not understand the message they spoke. God sent them with the message in spite of their lack of understanding.

I cannot agree.
God spoke to the OT prophets, telling them what to say.

Today tongues still come to some people, and their minds are unfruitful at first. The better deal today is that we can pray to understand. All this is not on some peoples radar. We don’t let the confusion surrounding this keep us from what we are called to do. The hearers are there, or we need to go to those who want/need to hear.

I, personally, would never speak in tongues around a crowd of unbelievers.
Those I minister to are English speakers, like me.

 

[hawkman]

I, personally, would never speak in tongues around a crowd of unbelievers.

Yeah , I think that is why what happened to me as I told in post #24 of this thread .

 

[Hopeful 2]

Provided he could speak the hearers language. The problem is he couldn't so Paul said keep silent. There is no value in speaking to someone who doesn't understand the language.

You did provide this caveat..."Please, understand that the speaker himself understands what he's saying."

The "tongues of angels" is to communicate Gods' word in any human language the hearer understands,

While I won't disagree, tongues said in private are just the Sprit talking to God.

Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 1Cor.14:17 KJV
What the speaker understands is fruitless if the hearer can't understand what's being said (vs.14.)

True.
I, personally, have never spoken in tongues to anyone.
Just in prayer to God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Yeah , I think that is why what happened to me as I told in post #24 of this thread .

That sounds more like..."For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." from Matt 10:20.
I feel that is different than speaking in tongues.

 

[electedbyHim]

Matthew 10:20 “For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

This verse has nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

 

[hawkman]

That sounds more like..."For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." from Matt 10:20.
I feel that is different than speaking in tongues.

Well , it was different . But the Holy Spirit took the utterance just the same as when I pray in tongues , I was surprised to say the least .

 

[Hopeful 2]

Well , it was different . But the Holy Spirit took the utterance just the same as when I pray in tongues , I was surprised to say the least .

I can imagine !