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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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: LOL!
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SputnikBoy
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Relic said:
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Windozer
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bibleberean said:
Hmmmm???? Just how would you get them to come near your church?
Perhaps saying come here you lust filled animal, I have got something to tell you might work.
Tell me how many people (gays) do you think that come by this forum and read what you have posted here would have anything to do with you or your church.
Tell me Robert why did this "Good" stuff have to be dug out of you? Why did you not attempt to let the homosexuals know that you and your church would be delighted to accept them once they no longer needed to see it as not being a sin?
Why did you not try and help them see this? I would have helped you.
As for your reference to me wanting to correct anyone. Don't you dare change anything until you find a reason to do it for yourself.
Don't you dare even think about changing unless you can see that it might benefit you.
But don't blame me for wanting to poke some holes in your smoke screen.
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Windozer
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Relic said:
Huh??? another subject....not quite.... Sounds very biblical to me.
But I see there are those here who interpret that scripture differently... Alas ...their lose.
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Windozer
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Dave... said:
Being as I am not a homosexual I have no particular interest in needing to use grace as an excuse for that kind of thing.
However grace is not something that can be used to excuse anything. I guess I see it this way: Grace is from God. If God gives you grace to deal with something in your life. Who am I to say it is not so.
The homosexuals are not attempting to use grace. They do not want it. they are insisting that it is not a sin. They share the same problem as many Christians. they both have the same need to not be seen as sinning. Grace is for those who do not have that need. Grace is for those who have a need to be right with God.
Grace is for any thorn in the flesh that is a messenger from Satan that God chooses not to remove as was the situation with the apostle Paul.
If that happens to be homosexuality in a certain individual that is none of my business, as long as the person has done what he can to allow Jesus to remove it. And all the apostle Paul did was to ask him (three times) to remove his thorn in the flesh.
And we all know what Gods answer was.
I suspect we all have a thorn in the flesh.
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bibleberean
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The "thorn in the flesh" Paul is talking about was a physical infirmity not sin he could not stop doing.
Read 2 Corinthians chapter 12 all the way through.
In the very last verse look at what Paul says.
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
Saying that it is impossible for fornicators to repent and give up their vile sex practices is unbiblical.
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Clever arguments to jusify sin either in oneself or others is not love.
It is a grave injustice.
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Windozer
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Robert said:
Ya right Robert!!!! That is why it was a messenger from Satin.... Right???? Any messenger from Satin is a sin Robert... Hey Robert I've got a real big bridge for sale.
No where in scripture can you find adequate support for your words above they are your words.
Show in scripture where it says that it was a physical infirmity?
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bibleberean
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Remember Job suffering in the flesh? That was from Satan.
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
Job 2:4 And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Job 2:7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
It is obvious by reading 1 Corinthians 10:13 that it was not sin that God refused to take away but a physical infirmity that Paul was suffering through.
Many Scholars believe it may have been Paul's poor eye sight that he was praying about.
Galatians 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Galatians 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
If Paul had a sin he could not repent of he was being a hypocrite by writing this to the Corinthians in the same chapter.
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
I rest my case...
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bibleberean
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It didn't have to be dug out of me. I have been saying that all along.
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Windozer
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Hey Robert,
After giving this some more thought lets pretend that you are right? If it was a physical infirmity as you claim... It was big enough (in the life of Paul) that it was a messenger from Satin. It was big enough that it interfered with his relationship with God. It was a big enough issue that God chose to do something about it.
All sin works that way. It interferes with one's relationship with God, and if one does not accept some grace for the sin that remains in your life you are lost...Alienated from God.
Sin (evil behavior) makes us enemies (in our minds) and alienates from God.
I really don't know it can said any plainer than that?
After giving this some more thought lets pretend that you are right? If it was a physical infirmity as you claim... It was big enough (in the life of Paul) that it was a messenger from Satin. It was big enough that it interfered with his relationship with God. It was a big enough issue that God chose to do something about it.
All sin works that way. It interferes with one's relationship with God, and if one does not accept some grace for the sin that remains in your life you are lost...Alienated from God.
Sin (evil behavior) makes us enemies (in our minds) and alienates from God.
I really don't know it can said any plainer than that?
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Windozer
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bibleberean said:
It didn't have to be dug out of me. I have been saying that all along.
Really??? By calling them such things as slime balls and lust filled animals... Huh?
Show me where you have attempted to reach out to any of them here?
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bibleberean
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I agree with you... :D
That is why Paul tells people to repent.
I can't make it any plainer than that... :smt102
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Windozer
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Calling people such things as slime balls and lust filled animals...is slander. Robert that is bad fruit.
That scripture includes you Robert. Your words have condemned you.
That scripture includes you Robert. Your words have condemned you.
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bibleberean
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2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Was Peter bearing bad fruit?
2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Strong words and name calling too! Has Peter condemned himself?
...2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Calling these sinners "dogs that eat their own vomit" and "pigs wallowing in the mire!"
I said that people who try to seduce God's children and promote and welcome sin into the church are "slimeballs".
I stand by that... 8-)
Was Peter bearing bad fruit?
2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Strong words and name calling too! Has Peter condemned himself?
...2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Calling these sinners "dogs that eat their own vomit" and "pigs wallowing in the mire!"
I said that people who try to seduce God's children and promote and welcome sin into the church are "slimeballs".
I stand by that... 8-)
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Windozer
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Roibert said:
If he was it would not be the first time Peter was found bearing bad fruit.
Just who is it you are comparing yourself with?
Just who is it you are following any way? Is it Peter? Or is it Jesus?
In Peters situation I was not there. In this situation I was and it is slander.
You have been talking about things that you know not a whole lot about. These sinners that you are talking about won't even come near you and your church. They don't want our Gods Grace. You have not researched this topic enough to make educated comments about it. They are not pounding down your door trying to get in.
You appear to have built this great big crises in your mind, and then you are fighting it. I hope you are having fun? It is Satins way of rendering you ineffective.
It has nothing to do at all with attempting to find the lost sheep. You would rather give the lost sheep the boot.
Oh Well....Sigh.
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bibleberean
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That is a lie... I would rather see lost sheep repent.
Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
I believe that... :angel:
I am not to concerned about what you think of me... I am a very happy and content person...
Peter was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus agrees with every word Peter wrote in his epistle.
When Peter was wrong the bible records that he was wrong.
It isn't me who doesn't know what he is talking about. ;-)
Was Paul bearing bad fruit too?
Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
"Liars, evil beasts"
Paul wasn't very politically correct either.
What about Jesus?
Matthew 23:33 " Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"
How's that for PC?
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Lyric's Dad
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Not very pc at all and I am sure the audience He directed it at, the self righteous pharisees did not think too kindly on it. I wonder what the modern day pharisees would think when they realize that Jesus was more about attacking their stance then that of the person who did not think they were high and mighty.bibleberean said:
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bibleberean
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Lyric's Dad said:
I couldn't agree with you more... :D
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bibleberean
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Mark 7:25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
Mark 7:26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
Mark 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Mark 7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
Mark 7:29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
Jesus called this woman a "dog" and she handled it very well.
Luke 3:7-10 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
These people came to be baptized by John and he called them "vipers". And the people handled it well.
Today people don't want to be called "drunkards" if they like to drink to excess or "fornicators" if they are engaged in illicit sex.
They have a "problem" or a "disease" and of course it's not their fault. "Everybody is a sinner so don't tell me I'm wrong!" That is the attitude today.
Jesus and John the baptist called sinners to repentance and that is what we should do.
That is what my bible says anyway.
If our sin is the perversion of illicit sex such as homosexual behaviour or drunkeness then we need to repent of these perversions and turn to Christ.
God bless,
Robert
Mark 7:26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
Mark 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Mark 7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
Mark 7:29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
Jesus called this woman a "dog" and she handled it very well.
Luke 3:7-10 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
These people came to be baptized by John and he called them "vipers". And the people handled it well.
Today people don't want to be called "drunkards" if they like to drink to excess or "fornicators" if they are engaged in illicit sex.
They have a "problem" or a "disease" and of course it's not their fault. "Everybody is a sinner so don't tell me I'm wrong!" That is the attitude today.
Jesus and John the baptist called sinners to repentance and that is what we should do.
That is what my bible says anyway.
If our sin is the perversion of illicit sex such as homosexual behaviour or drunkeness then we need to repent of these perversions and turn to Christ.
God bless,
Robert