BradtheImpaler said:
A young woman having a baby is no sign at all either in context or out of context. A virgin having a baby is a sign
I was being sarcastic when I accused you of possibly not having read the passage in Isaiah that concerns us, but now I am sure you
haven't. It was not the nature of the birth of the child in chap.7 that was to be a "sign" - the sign was that a child that Ahaz would be aware of would be born and would still be a toddler (i.e. - before knowing right from wrong) by the time the kings oppressing Ahaz would be taken into captivity. IOW - God was going to do something within a short time, and this time was to be measured by the birth and infancy of a certain child. This is how "a young woman having a baby"
is a sign.
Now refute this or admit you are wrong.
I have read the entire book of Isaiah many times over. I read the bible through at least once every year and do studies on Individual books.
That is why I know you have no concept of the hidden prophecies in this book.
There is much before and after this chapter that you need to study. Man gave the chapters and just because a chapter ends does not mean that the subject or subjects are over.
The prophecy and condition and future salvation of Israel and the coming Messiah is contained in this book.
The book goes on to state...
Isaiah 9:6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
The coming Christ is the child that is the focus of these chapters.
The future fulfilment of Christ sitting on the Throne is yet to be fulfilled. There will be a world government and Christ will be it's head.
There is so much to write concerning the prophecies of Christ in this book that it would take to long to write them all.
What you don't understand is that Isaiah is recording all that will take place in Israel and the world for thousands of years to come as well as for that time period. Isaiah is going to find a child born to a non descript young woman and know who it is? A young woman? Where is she and where does it say in Isaiah that this was fulfilled?
There were millions of young woman having babies in Israel in that time period and many a young child that ate bread and honey.
The book goes on to say concerning the Messiah...
And this first verse sums it up. "Who hath believed our report".
Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isaiah 53:2
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
These are Messianic passages that are fulfilled in the future.
We have the illumination of these passages in Matthew, Luke, Mark and John.
We are not throwing out our bible because someone who hasn't studied the scriptures says we are wrong.
I did a full teaching on Isaiah for the church I pastor. I know what the book says and who it is talking about.
Psalms 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
David wrote those Messianic Psalms under the guidance of the Holy Ghost for and about Jesus.
We know what we are talking about. :D
These books will not be discarded by true Christians!
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
