How I can live without sin.

[JLB]

If we are in the light, it must be that we have no sin.

That is your presumption and is shown to be incorrect by verse 7.


But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7


But if we walk in the light as He is in the light,... the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.


Why does the scripture say that those who walk in the light, are cleansed of all sin by the blood of Jesus, if they have no sin?


The next verse really makes this point clear.


If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8



On the other hand, this is certainly not talking about living in sin as a sinner. If you are practicing sin, then you are certainly walking in darkness.


We can sin and not be aware, as well as not doing good when we know to do it.


Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. James 4:17






JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

For me...It started with the desire to live in complete obedience to God, but not knowing how.
God brought me into contact with a church where they didn't commit sin, and they showed me all I needed to know to follow suit.
Repentance from sin can and should be permanent.
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, at the same time accomplishing my immersion into Christ and into his death, burial, and resurrection. My "being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life" provided my rebirth.
My water baptism into Christ's sufferings allowed my contact with His sanctifying blood.
Reception of the gift of the Holy Ghost, (accompanied by a sound from heaven and a vision).
The gift of tongues.
Growth in grace and knowledge followed, but daily prayer time set aside for Him helped foster good habits. Like avoiding the places that served only my now dead "flesh".
And carrying my bible nearly everywhere, especially when I went to fast food places for breakfast, lunch, or supper.
Avoiding the people who only wished my failure.
Distancing myself from the things that would have resulted in my eventual destruction, like cigarettes, pot, cocaine, acid, peyote, mescaline, booze, porn, dirty movies and books, etc.
I learned that the things of the flesh cannot reside by those that walk in the Spirit.
And reading!
Oh how I love the scriptures!
I make time to read at least three times a day nearly every day.
It has all resulted in almost thirteen years without sin, to the glory of God.

I am sure I have omitted some things from my "how to" list, so I will be happy to answer any questions my post may generate.

PROVERBS 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [them] shall have mercy."

1 John 3:8-18 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Love, Walter

 

[Truthfrees]

PROVERBS 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [them] shall have mercy."

1 John 3:8-18 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Love, Walter

amen - 2 separate issues - those who cover their sins vs those who forsake sin

forsaking sin works well - and is a work of God in our lives

thank God He provides a way for us to forsake sin/not commit sin

imo this is what Hopeful is trying to help people see

but it appears some people think everyone who says they walk away from / without sin by walking in the Spirit are covering their sin

too bad people are missing the powerful message being shared here

 

[Blade]

Hi Hopeful.. great post thank you for sharing. You know the last post here seems we still are not sure what Hopeful is saying after 8 pages. I am not sure

There are those that believe the "doctrine of sin" and others call that a false doctrine praise God. I do wonder if maybe this is being understood is "never sinning" vs not sinning for what many years praise God. We all work out our own salvation. I believe I do not have to always sin. For me who does it point to? I as the lord said though a known preacher "I know its hard for you to go from the natural to the supernatural". I see only me..yet when I read His word I now read flesh and spirit. That spirit was made new and it can not sin. That new spirit was born of God and does not sin. This flesh does.

When wanting to walk away because my heart condemned me 24/7 of sin. Do you know what He told me or asked me? He asked "what is righteousness?" I said "ok ok its right standing with God" He then asked "How do you get righteousness?" I said "by believing in Jesus".. wow something happened cried and cried. Like being blind and then you can see. What I said to Him is what I heard.. I then went to the word to make sure that is whats written.

So for me WHO does it point to? From this I see my Father sees me as a finished work. I AM holy and righteous not because of what I do or don't do but because of what Christ has already done. He is faithful to what Christ has done. I want to give HIM all the glory and praise. If I only tell the truth.. Its not because of me but Him in me. And my flesh is not in Him ...its my new man.

So I agree we do not have to always sin. Before He died.. "go and sin no more". So it can be done but I choose to make sure He not me ever.. just Him gets the glory.

 

[JLB]

Whether we disagree or not, I admire anyone who is motivated to walk with God and be blameless.

I believe this should be our goal.



JLB

 

[daninthelionsden]

Amen to that.
If you can do good, do it.
By doing good, you also remain far from evil, so it is a double-barrel way to stay in the light.
So why is that impossible?

There must be dozens even hundreds of instances where I/you/we could say/think/pray/meditate, read, hear the Word/help others that go undone. There is not enough time in the day. People are selfish. The sin of omission is everywhere. Do you pray every time you hear a siren? Somebody is in great need of prayer at that time. Do you visit every hospital room? Every prisoner? Every orphan? Feed every homeless? And that's just the "small stuff". What about all the pedophiles in Hollywood? The Boy Scouts? The Episcopal Church? They are spiritually murdering children. The abortion clinics? You like me and every other person at some point is going to say to yourself. NOPE. NOT MY PROBLEM. And saying "Oh well I just don't feel led to do that is a cop out". We are selfish beings. Unless we are constantly doing ALL we can at every possible opportunity, then we are in sin.

 

[daninthelionsden]

PROVERBS 28:13 "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [them] shall have mercy."

1 John 3:8-18 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Love, Walter

Save Christ, I have never met a sinless person in my 60+ years.

 

[Hopeful]

Apart from failing to recognise that Paul's use of words was the present tense.
You also fail to understand 1john1:10
Those who ever they are who say they have no sin do not have the truth in them...
Basically not a Christian.

Thanks for your opinion, but it would mean all Christians walk in darkness.
That isn't so.
Christians walk in the light, and have had all their past sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
They remain in the light, wherein is no sin.

 

[Hopeful]

I believe the Scriptures. I don't believe what you are doing with the Scriptures.

Do you need an Advocate?
Quantrill

I do have an Advocate, but thanks for asking.
He led me to the truth that can free us from committing sin. (John 8:32-34)

I see you are familiar with 1 John 2:1..."My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
Are you also familiar with 1 John 2:3-4?..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

The "any man" from verse 1 are the unsaved, who haven't yet besought the help of the Advocate.
They don't keep the commandments.
The truth isn't in them.

 

[PaulChristensen]

How about Jesus Christ?
That is one.

We know Him!!! I'm talking about someone who wasn't born of a virgin.

 

[Hopeful]

The way we are forgiven of our sins is by repenting, which is obeying the Gospel.

I guess that depends on both your definition of "repent" and "gospel".

Repent means turn to God in submission to Him as Lord.

Is that not the same as repenting of sin, ie "turning from" sin?
Which means no more sin!

I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:17-20

Perfectly stated by Paul, to the glory of God.

We are cleansed, sanctified by faith in Christ; the obedience of faith.
You can get dunked in water all you want, by without the heart attitude of repentance inspired by the Spirit of faith, turning to God by turning away from Satan, in which we confess Jesus as Lord, water baptism is nothing.

Where else but at our crucifixion with Christ will His sanctifying, atoning blood be applied to our bodies?
That crucifixion happens at our water baptism, per Rom 8:3-7.

Without faith water baptism is nothing more than getting wet.

You are correct there.

 

[Hopeful]

There must be dozens even hundreds of instances where I/you/we could say/think/pray/meditate, read, hear the Word/help others that go undone. There is not enough time in the day. People are selfish. The sin of omission is everywhere. Do you pray every time you hear a siren? Somebody is in great need of prayer at that time. Do you visit every hospital room? Every prisoner? Every orphan? Feed every homeless? And that's just the "small stuff". What about all the pedophiles in Hollywood? The Boy Scouts? The Episcopal Church? They are spiritually murdering children. The abortion clinics? You like me and every other person at some point is going to say to yourself. NOPE. NOT MY PROBLEM. And saying "Oh well I just don't feel led to do that is a cop out". We are selfish beings. Unless we are constantly doing ALL we can at every possible opportunity, then we are in sin.

I pray that you will someday get over your "Christians must out-do Superman" ethic.
I do what I can, when I can, to the glory of God.
And I do pray for those who run with sirens, every time I hear one.

 

[Hopeful]

Save Christ, I have never met a sinless person in my 60+ years.

If Jesus could do it, why can't we?

 

[Hopeful]

We know Him!!! I'm talking about someone who wasn't born of a virgin.

We can be reborn of God's seed, without the need for a virgin.

 

[Hopeful]

That is your presumption and is shown to be incorrect by verse 7
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light,... the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Why does the scripture say that those who walk in the light, are cleansed of all sin by the blood of Jesus, if they have no sin?

Because their sins have been cleansed.
Before they are allowed into the light, which is God.
As verse 5 said, there is no darkness (sin) in God.

The next verse really makes this point clear.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

Nope, it presents the other half of those whom John addresses.
He is writing about two very different kinds of men with two very different kinds of walk.
Some of the verses apply to those walking in the light (God), while others apply to those who walk in darkness (sin).

On the other hand, this is certainly not talking about living in sin as a sinner. If you are practicing sin, then you are certainly walking in darkness.

One sin a year is "practicing sin".

We can sin and not be aware, as well as not doing good when we know to do it.

We are aware of all sin as all sins have an enticement, temptation, lust, and conception. (James 1:14-15)

Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. James 4:17

Do good when you can.
All we have to share is given to us from God, and can be easily replaced by God.

 

[Hopeful]

Whether we disagree or not, I admire anyone who is motivated to walk with God and be blameless.

I believe this should be our goal.
JLB

You should also believe it is an achievable goal.
With God on our side, who can stop us?

 

[Hopeful]

Hi Hopeful.. great post thank you for sharing. You know the last post here seems we still are not sure what Hopeful is saying after 8 pages. I am not sure

There are those that believe the "doctrine of sin" and others call that a false doctrine praise God. I do wonder if maybe this is being understood is "never sinning" vs not sinning for what many years praise God. We all work out our own salvation. I believe I do not have to always sin. For me who does it point to? I as the lord said though a known preacher "I know its hard for you to go from the natural to the supernatural". I see only me..yet when I read His word I now read flesh and spirit. That spirit was made new and it can not sin. That new spirit was born of God and does not sin. This flesh does.

Question...Who controls you?
Your skin and bones, or your mind?
Your "flesh" cannot do anything your mind doesn't want to happen.
Paul touches on this with the last verse of Rom 7..."I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."
But he has already shown us how to kill the "flesh" and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in Rom 6:4-6... "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
Walk in the Spirit, and you won't fulfill the lusts of the "flesh". (Rom 8:1, Gal 5:16)

When wanting to walk away because my heart condemned me 24/7 of sin. Do you know what He told me or asked me? He asked "what is righteousness?" I said "ok ok its right standing with God" He then asked "How do you get righteousness?" I said "by believing in Jesus".. wow something happened cried and cried. Like being blind and then you can see. What I said to Him is what I heard.. I then went to the word to make sure that is whats written.

So for me WHO does it point to? From this I see my Father sees me as a finished work. I AM holy and righteous not because of what I do or don't do but because of what Christ has already done. He is faithful to what Christ has done. I want to give HIM all the glory and praise. If I only tell the truth.. Its not because of me but Him in me. And my flesh is not in Him ...its my new man.

So I agree we do not have to always sin. Before He died.. "go and sin no more". So it can be done but I choose to make sure He not me ever.. just Him gets the glory.

 

[Quantrill]

I do have an Advocate, but thanks for asking.
He led me to the truth that can free us from committing sin. (John 8:32-34)

I see you are familiar with 1 John 2:1..."My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
Are you also familiar with 1 John 2:3-4?..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

The "any man" from verse 1 are the unsaved, who haven't yet besought the help of the Advocate.
They don't keep the commandments.
The truth isn't in them.

You didn't answer my question. Do you need an Advocate?

Quantrill

 

[daninthelionsden]

I pray that you will someday get over your "Christians must out-do Superman" ethic.
I do what I can, when I can, to the glory of God.
And I do pray for those who run with sirens, every time I hear one.

Are you telling me you have no hobbies? Watch no secular movies? Listen to no secular radio? Read no secular books?

 

[daninthelionsden]

If Jesus could do it, why can't we?

Jesus said He had no place to rest. You do?