How is a biblical conflict solved?

[Hopeful]

But then you're beginning to question Jesus' divinity....

How so?
God was Jesus' Father, so how much more divine can He get?

 

[Hopeful]

I agree but we will not discuss OSAS.

SALVATION – delivered from sin, promise of our welfare brought about by faith in Christ Jesus.

Salvation means to be whole mind, body and soul as we surrender our will to God and allow his will to work in our lives by applying Gods word to every aspect of our lives. This allows us to know the mind of Christ and all the promises of God for our own well being so we can face anything that tries to come against us while here on this earth so we can triumph and be victorious through the grace and mercy of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. Grace pardons us and mercy loves us unconditionally.

If we are walking in faith being obedient to God's commands then we should never have to question our faith and holding on to it till the end where we will be saved from the lake of fire. As long by faith we endure all the trials and tribulations that come against us and trust God in all things then this completes our salvation when Christ returns for now we are working out our salvation by remaining in God's will and not our own, Colossians 3:1-4.

It's no longer I that lives, but Christ who lives in me, Galatians 2:20​

Still going to deny we can live without sinning?

 

[Mungo]

Not two persons. Two forms of the same person. The form he had before being sent to earth, and the form he had in the earth as a servant—Philippians 2:6-8.

What do you mean by a different form?

 

[Mungo]

That is a meaningless phrase.
It's a play on words to defend a godless agenda of Mary worship.

What do you mean by worship?

 

[Mungo]

Where does it say it isn't fact?
As Jesus didn't exist until 2000 some years ago, how could He be the eternal God?

So you do not believe that Jesus was God.
If Jesus was not God then how could his death atone for the sins of the whole world?
If Jesus was just a sinful man then he could not even atone for his own sins.

It was the Word that took flesh, not God.

You contradict scripture.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

 

[WIP]

Where does it say it isn't fact?
As Jesus didn't exist until 2000 some years ago, how could He be the eternal God?
It was the Word that took flesh, not God.

Now you've got me confused.

22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying:
23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Matthew 1:22-23 NKJV

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-2, 14 NKJV

 

[GodsGrace]

So you do not believe that Jesus was God.
If Jesus was not God then how could his death atone for the sins of the whole world?
If Jesus was just a sinful man then he could not even atone for his own sins.



You contradict scripture.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

And herein lies the problem:
Because Protestants are so weary of the mother of Jesus, who is God, we are wont to give her that title.

And that leads right into debating the nature of Jesus.

I've stated why I dislike the title mother of God, but guess what, there's no way around it. Or we begin to question the very divinity of Jesus.

 

[GodsGrace]

Where does it say it isn't fact?
As Jesus didn't exist until 2000 some years ago, how could He be the eternal God?
It was the Word that took flesh, not God.

Was the Word God or not?

 

[GodsGrace]

Because Mary has nothing to do with the divinity of Jesus. He was that before, during, and after the time he inhabited the physical body he was birthed in through Mary.

'Mother of God' is an innacurate and meaningless, misguided, inflammatory phrase that Catholics use to distort and exaggerate Mary's role in the life of Jesus and the gospel. Frankly, I never knew how off the rails Catholicism was until I read Catholics defense of their religion in on line forums. I guess it is this ignorance of the real beliefs of Catholicism that we Protestants have so foolishy accepted them as just another strain of Christianity. It has almost nothing to do with real Christianity and I make no apology in saying it is a religion that appeals to unbelievers devoid of the Spirit.

Sorry, but not sorry. Those are my honest feelings about Catholicism. Knowing what I know now we should denounce and distance ourselves from it completely.

I think I just saw this.
I'm wondering what you watch about Catholicism. I was not feeling well around Christmas time and watched A LOT of YouTube.
Some videos would pop up when it figured out that I liked theology. (It's rather scary).

I plan on posting some. Hope you watch them.

 

[GodsGrace]

How so?
God was Jesus' Father, so how much more divine can He get?

You made a comment yourself.
Jethro Bodine said Jesus was in two forms.
This is a heresy known as Nostroeticm (?)
On phone, can't look it up.

We start rationalizing the nature of Jesus.
As if He wasn't really God.

See my post 267 also.

 

[GodsGrace]

Does it need to show His divinity?
God was His Father, so how much more divine does He need to be?
I thank God for giving us the same nature as Jesus since our rebirths from Gods seed.

Yes. I think it needs to be stated that Jesus is God. That's what christianity is.
And Mary is the mother on question.
So how do we address her?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What do you mean by a different form?

The nature of his existence before he came from heaven was the nature, or form of God, equal to God. Then he emptied himself of that equality and took on the nature, or form of a servant as a man in a human body (vs.7-8 below):

Philippians 2:6-8 BSB
6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,a

7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.


He had to change his form in order to come to the earth and become a faithful and merciful High Priest acquainted with the sorrows, the temptations, and weaknesses of man, and, thus, able to help him in those times of distress. (Hebrews 2:17-18).

 

[Jethro Bodine]

@Jethro Bodine said Jesus was in two forms.
This is a heresy known as Nostroeticm (?)

No, it's not heresy. It's right out of the Bible:

Philippians 2:6-8 BSB
6...existing in the form of God...

7...taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.


Two different forms. One form representing his authority and equality with God while in heaven. Another form representing his lowliness and equality with humans while on earth.

 

[WIP]

The nature of his existence before he came from heaven was the nature, or form of God, equal to God. Then he emptied himself of that equality and took on the nature, or form of a servant as a man in a human body (vs.7-8 below):

Philippians 2:6-8 BSB
6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,a

7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.


He had to change his form in order to come to the earth and become a faithful and merciful High Priest acquainted with the sorrows, the temptations, and weaknesses of man, and, thus, able to help him in those times of distress. (Hebrews 2:17-18).

In this way He became the Lamb of God for that perfect sacrifice of redemption. It took a blood sacrifice of a perfectly righteous human without sin, something that we have proven over and over and over that we are incapable of fulfilling. But He could and did.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

We start rationalizing the nature of Jesus.
As if He wasn't really God.

He surrendered his authority as God. And instead became a servant in human form.

Paul tells us to have this same mind. That of a lowly servant.

Philippians 2:5-7
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:

6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,a

7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I plan on posting some. Hope you watch them.

I will for as long as I can stand them, lol.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I've stated why I dislike the title mother of God, but guess what, there's no way around it. Or we begin to question the very divinity of Jesus.

'Mother of Jesus'.
I think Hopeful pointed out this proper understanding.
She is mother of his human form, not mother of his divine form that exists from eternity past.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What do you mean by worship?

To bow down to or honor someone (or something),usually ritualistically, and submit to them in obedience because of some kind of perceived supernatural power, authority, or deification.

 

[Mungo]

The nature of his existence before he came from heaven was the nature, or form of God, equal to God. Then he emptied himself of that equality and took on the nature, or form of a servant as a man in a human body (vs.7-8 below):

Philippians 2:6-8 BSB
6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,a

7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.


He had to change his form in order to come to the earth and become a faithful and merciful High Priest acquainted with the sorrows, the temptations, and weaknesses of man, and, thus, able to help him in those times of distress. (Hebrews 2:17-18).

God cannot stop being God.
When the second person of the Trinity took on human nature he did not stop being divine.
The fourth ecumenical council, at Chalcedon in 451, confessed:
Following the holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, composed of rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity and consubstantial with us as to his humanity; "like us in all things but sin". He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity and in these last days, for us and for our salvation, was born as to his humanity of the virgin Mary, the Mother of God.
(Quoted from the Catechism of The Catholic Church para 467).

When the second person of the Trinity became flesh (Jn 1:14) the Trinity did not become a 'Duality'.

 

[Mungo]

To bow down to or honor someone (or something),usually ritualistically, and submit to them in obedience because of some kind of perceived supernatural power, authority, or deification.

So when you worship Jesus it is only because of some "kind of perceived supernatural power, authority, or deification".
Jesus does not have actual supernatural power or authority or deity?