How to teach religion.

[Kidron]

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So the difference is not what we say but what God says, not what we say.

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Yes, and this is why Jesus told you that ...HE IS, "THE Truth , The LIFE and THE WAY", as that is not a religion, that is a fact that He alone , (and not a religion) is, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE, and THE WAY, to the Father...... and there is no other.
John 14:6

 

[GodsGrace]

Religion teaches all sorts of things, including being like Peter, Jesus' death and resurrection, that Jesus is the only way to God, that we can have a personal relationship with God, etc. A religion can teach all the things Christianity teaches, hence why Christianity is a religion and the only true religion.

This is interesting Free.

I taught kids in a church setting.
They were also taking a subject in school called "Religion."

I used to explain to the parents, and then also to the children, that their course in school was totally different from what they would be learning with me.

One could learn historical facts about Peter, but not what happened to him when he started sinking in Lake Gallilee; one could learn about the death and resurrection of Jesus, but not what the resurrection means to a believer; one will learn that Jesus is A WAY to God, not necessarily THE way; And a personal relationship? Forget it.

In school they learned ABOUT God.
With me they learned to KNOW God.

I see a big difference here.

Wondering

 

[JLB]

First : RELIGION is man trying to work his way to heaven by their self righteous effort of striving to get there.

Amen. Good description.

Religion, is someone trying save themselves in their self effort to reach and maintain relationship with God based on what they themselves do to attempt to achieve it.

Verse's a person who is led by the Spirit.

If the Spirit leads us to do or say something, then those who are led by the Spirit obey what they are led to say or do.

Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. John 5:18


Tell me why Jesus sentenced these servants of His to the everlasting fires of hell?

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ Matthew 25:41-43

Can you be honest and use the language from the words of Jesus here in these verses, to give an answer.



JLB

 

[Kidron]

Amen. Good description.




Tell me why Jesus sentenced these servants of His to the everlasting fires of hell?

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ Matthew 25:41-43

Can you use the language from the words of Jesus here in these verses, to give an answer.

JLB

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The reason those are cast into hell is that they are not "Sons"., which means none of them are born again.
They are called "servants", while the born again believers are called the "Sons of God", and Jesus also called those who had learned from him, "FRIENDS".
So, you are trying to misapply salvation to those who are not saved to try to falsely prove that the Blood Atonement is like soap foam and can be washed off by sin.
Cant be done. <

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[JLB]

The reason those are cast into hell is that they are not "Sons".,

Please read the words of Jesus Christ:

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; Matthew 25:41-42

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He was speaking to His servants. That's the plain context.

45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.

Jesus teaches us about a servant who was promoted to be ruler over His household.

But the ruler became unfaithful, not watching for the return of the Lord, and end up being assigned his portion with the hypocrites where their is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 24:45-51

Those servants of the Lord who are are faithful will inherit the kingdom of God.

Those servants of the Lord, who become unfaithful and live as those who are unrighteous of this world, and take advantage of others, the Lord will upon him unaware and... cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 1 Corinthians 4:1-2


9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10



JLB

 

[JLB]

Listen, no offense, but stop using commentaries, and instead go to:
Romans 3:21-28
Hebrews 8:12
Romans chapter 4

You never seen me use commentaries.

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Read this:

The two types of servants of God: Those who are faithful, and those who are not.

God will render to each one according to his deeds!

According to his deeds.

His deeds!

who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:
7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,
Romans 2:6-8


Those who do not obey: indignation and wrath,



JLB

 

[Free]

What do you want me to say?
That God started Judaism?

When I studied the Covenants I didn't learn that God started a religion.
I learned that God started a family.
An earthly family.

It started with Adam. He was married to Eve. The first couple. He was the husband and the Covenant form was marriage. The sign was the Sabbath.

Then wehave Noah. He was a father. The Covenant form was a household. The sign was a rainbow.

Abram. He was a Chieftan. God made him the head of a tribe. And a tribe. Changed his name to Abraham because he would be the father of many. The Covenant sign was circumcision.

Moses was a judge. And also a prophet. He was head of a small nation but a nation nontheless. The Covenant sign was passover.

David. A King. The beginning of the Kingdom. He at on a Throne. As does Jesus. The throne is the Covenant sign.

Jesus. Our Royal High Priest. Priest, Prophet, King. He was all. The whole world can now be a part of the Kingdom. The gentiles are grafted in. Covenant sign, the Eucharist, some will say Baptism.

I see a family here. I don't see a church.

The Jewish people, Israelites, Hebrews, began a religion. Man began the religion, not God.

They had a reason to create this religion. I've stated the reason. To pass it down to the next generation; to keep it alive.

But look where it ended up, which I also stated. Pharisees and Sadducees.
It started out as a family, and ended up a religion.

You must know that women were treated better in the time of the exodus than at the time of Jesus.
This is the deterioration that man causes because he is sinful.

Who do you say started Judaism?

Wondering

God started Judaism, of course. That is plainly and clearly what the Bible shows. The only way around that is to deny that Judaism is a religion, but it always has been one right from the start.

 

[Free]

This is interesting Free.

I taught kids in a church setting.
They were also taking a subject in school called "Religion."

I used to explain to the parents, and then also to the children, that their course in school was totally different from what they would be learning with me.

One could learn historical facts about Peter, but not what happened to him when he started sinking in Lake Gallilee; one could learn about the death and resurrection of Jesus, but not what the resurrection means to a believer; one will learn that Jesus is A WAY to God, not necessarily THE way; And a personal relationship? Forget it.

In school they learned ABOUT God.
With me they learned to KNOW God.

I see a big difference here.

Wondering

That there is a difference is irrelevant as to whether or not Christianity is a religion.

 

[GodsGrace]

That there is a difference is irrelevant as to whether or not Christianity is a religion.

It's irrelevant?
Okay.
But what I'm saying that is irrelevant is that Christianity is a life-sytle NOT a religion.

 

[GodsGrace]

God started Judaism, of course. That is plainly and clearly what the Bible shows. The only way around that is to deny that Judaism is a religion, but it always has been one right from the start.

Of course Judaism is a religion.
I thought I made it clear in my post no. 40
Where I also explained that I didn't believe GOD created Judaism
but MAN.

And, as I've said before, look where it got the Jews...
Again: To the pharisees and the sadducees.
I won't repeat.

It's a concept. We Christians like to believe that Christianity is different somehow.
HOW is it different, if it's just another religion?

Wondering

 

[JLB]

Of course Judaism is a religion.
I thought I made it clear in my post no. 40
Where I also explained that I didn't believe GOD created Judaism
but MAN.

And, as I've said before, look where it got the Jews...
Again: To the pharisees and the sadducees.
I won't repeat.

It's a concept. We Christians like to believe that Christianity is different somehow.
HOW is it different, if it's just another religion?

Wondering

Yes Judaism, is a man made religion, made up of the traditions of men and the law of Moses.

13 For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it.14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers. Galatians 1:13-14

The Lord didn't add Judaism to the Abrahamic Covenant, but rather, He added the law of Moses... until the Seed should come.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; Galatians 3:19



JLB

 

[Free]

Of course Judaism is a religion.
I thought I made it clear in my post no. 40
Where I also explained that I didn't believe GOD created Judaism
but MAN.

And, as I've said before, look where it got the Jews...
Again: To the pharisees and the sadducees.
I won't repeat.

It's a concept. We Christians like to believe that Christianity is different somehow.
HOW is it different, if it's just another religion?

Wondering

Where did Moses get the Ten Commandments? What about the Law? Are not these the very types of things that all of you are arguing constitute a religion?

If the definition of religion is something like "a set of beliefs and practices by a group of people regarding the nature of the universe," then Christianity is a religion. Notice that it is "a set of beliefs and practices". That is where all religions differ from one another. That all other religions may teach that man has to work in order to hopefully appease God, is just a part of their belief systems. Christianity teaches that man cannot do it himself, that God has provided the way. That is just one of the beliefs of Christianity, so it certainly doesn't mean that it isn't a religion.

 

[Free]

It's irrelevant?
Okay.
But what I'm saying that is irrelevant is that Christianity is a life-sytle NOT a religion.

In what way is Christianity a "life-style" and other religions not "life-styles"? All religions are life-styles, a way of living.

 

[JLB]

Where did Moses get the Ten Commandments? What about the Law? Are not these the very types of things that all of you are arguing constitute a religion?

No. Judaism is a mixture of the law and the traditions of men, like Catholicism is a mixture of paganism and Christianity.

Judaism is what the law of Moses had degenerated into by the time Jesus came around.


JLB

 

[Mike]

I guess I just don't understand why we would be so afraid of the word "religion". I gotta be honest. It sounds like defensive fear. I agree that it has a negative connotation in the world today, and Christians are rightly always distancing themselves from other religions, but we shouldn't fear the word. As others have shown, God's Word itself calls our faith a religion.

Christianity is a religion. It's the one True religion from the Ancient of Days. Does it make the Truth any less true to call it that?

 

[Free]

I guess I just don't understand why we would be so afraid of the word "religion". I gotta be honest. It sounds like defensive fear. I agree that it has a negative connotation in the world today, and Christians are rightly always distancing themselves from other religions, but we shouldn't fear the word. As others have shown, God's Word itself calls our faith a religion.

Christianity is a religion. It's the one True religion from the Ancient of Days. Does it make the Truth any less true to call it that?

And that sums up the purpose of my posting. "Religion" has become a dirty word to many Christians when it shouldn't have.

 

[JLB]

I guess I just don't understand why we would be so afraid of the word "religion". I gotta be honest. It sounds like defensive fear. I agree that it has a negative connotation in the world today, and Christians are rightly always distancing themselves from other religions, but we shouldn't fear the word. As others have shown, God's Word itself calls our faith a religion.

Christianity is a religion. It's the one True religion from the Ancient of Days. Does it make the Truth any less true to call it that?

No fear, just exposing the religion of Judaism for what it is.

Here's a good test.

• Does the religion of Judaism teach that Jesus is the Messiah.

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

Belief in the eventual coming of the mashiach is a basic and fundamental part of traditional Judaism. It is part of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith, the minimum requirements of Jewish belief. In theShemoneh Esrei prayer, recited three times daily, we pray for all of the elements of the coming of the mashiach: ingathering of the exiles; restoration of the religious courts of justice; an end of wickedness, sin and heresy; reward to the righteous; rebuilding of Jerusalem; restoration of the line of King David; and restoration of Temple service.

Modern scholars suggest that the messianic concept was introduced later in the history of Judaism, during the age of the prophets. They note that the messianic concept is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in theTorah (the first five books of the Bible).

However, traditional Judaism maintains that the messianic idea has always been a part of Judaism. The mashiach is not mentioned explicitly in the Torah, because the Torah was written in terms that all people could understand, and the abstract concept of a distant, spiritual, future reward was beyond the comprehension of some people. However, the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (acharit ha-yamim), which is the time of the mashiach; thus, the concept of mashiach was known in the most ancient times.

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought.

• Does the religion of Judaism teach that Jesus is the Messiah.

Answer: No

Judaism is an antichrist religion, no different than Islam.

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism's_view_of_Jesus

Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of Jewish Messiah claimants who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2]



JLB

 

[Mike]

With marriage being redefined by alternative arrangements with the support of the government, do we now say a covenant between a man, a woman, and God is no longer a marriage? Are we to say what we have isn't marriage because it's so distinguishable from others? Do other unions that have bastardized the word "marriage" mean that we should start denying that what we have is marriage?

I'd say my wife and I are married, and I am of the one true religion... Christianity.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think people don't care for "religion" or being "religious" because of 21st century America's emphasis on (hyper)individualism, choosing your own path, follow your bliss, speak your own truth, blah blah blah. I think its an odd mix of postmodernism and...well, nobody likes being told what is Truth. Absolutes are out. Institutions are viewed as oppressive. A lot of it I think results from social disintegration...even marriage and family are viewed as potentially damaging to one's freedom and individuality, etc. etc. etc. Its strange...we encourage "individuality" and such, and...people are becoming remarkably similar to each other, even the "edgy" kids. Anyway...


Ramble...point is, we're now raised to follow our feelings, do what we feel is best, etc. etc. etc. There are now a number of books on the epidemic of full on narcissism in America, especially in the younger generations. Speaking as someone who had a diagnosis of full on narcissism until Jesus moved mightily in my life...society is in for even more trouble. Narcissism, being narcissistic, is anti-Christ. It runs counter to everything Jesus taught, more so than your typical un-believer. I didn't get out of narcissism until Jesus worked in my life. Now the cohort/generation just below mine (I'll soon be 32) is filled with people like who I was before, and many (most?) of them won't be set free thanks to "The Jesus Factor" (Teen Challenge-ism).

The narcissists who will be church leaders and such will work to revamp and rework Christianity to suit their needs, more so than the generations that came before. US society is already "post-Christian," so my thinking is that more and more of traditional Christian thought and practice will be replaced by various pseudo-Christian groups that "proclaim a form of godliness, but lack the power thereof."

 

[JLB]

With marriage being redefined by alternative arrangements with the support of the government, do we now say a covenant between a man, a woman, and God is no longer a marriage? Are we to say what we have isn't marriage because it's so distinguishable from others? Do other unions that have bastardized the word "marriage" mean that we should start denying that what we have is marriage?

I'd say my wife and I are married, and I am of the one true religion... Christianity.

Do you view the relationship you have with your wife as a religion?


JLB