Does that researcher live without sin ?
If he does, his point may be worthy of meditation.
If he does not, his POV is worthless.
Just more divisiveness of the devil.
How to walk by the spirit.
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If he does, his point may be worthy of meditation.
If he does not, his POV is worthless.
Just more divisiveness of the devil.
2 Cor 5:17 is self explanatory...
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:..."
The man baptized into Christ, is the new creature.
I think the NIV handles this verse well...
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!
The words “HOLY SPIRIT” in the Bible are primarily used in two very different ways: One way is to refer to God Himself and the other is referring to God’s nature that He gives to people. God is holy and is spirit and therefore “the Holy Spirit” with a capital “H” and a capital “S” is one of the many “names” or designations for God. God gives His holy spirit nature to people as a gift and when HOLY SPIRIT is used that way it should be translated as the “holy spirit” with a lowercase “h” and a lowercase “s.” The Bible says there is one God, and one Lord, who is the man Jesus Christ; and one gift of the holy spirit. Most Christians are aware that the original manuscripts of the Bible were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. However, it's not well known that Hebrew and Aramaic do not have uppercase and lowercase letters, but rather they just have one form for their letters.
Greek does have upper and lowercase letters, but the early Greek manuscripts were all written with only uppercase letters. Therefore, the early manuscripts had no such thing as the “Holy Spirit” or the “holy spirit” because what was always written was the "HOLY SPIRIT." The capital or lowercase letters are always a translator’s interpretation whenever we read “Holy Spirit” or “holy spirit” or “Spirit” or“spirit” in the English Bible. The difference is usually due to the theology of the translator. The bottom line is we cannot know from the Hebrew or Greek texts whether the Author meant the “Holy Spirit” or the “holy spirit”because we must decide based on the context and scope of Scripture whether the reference being made is to God or God’s gift.
There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.” But God is also referred to as Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai, the Ancient of Days, the Holy One of Israel, Father, Shield, and by many more designations. Furthermore, God is holy (Leviticus 11:44), which is why He was called “the Holy One” (the Hebrew text uses the singular adjective “holy” to designate “the Holy One." He is also spirit (John 4:24). It makes perfect sense since God is holy and God is spirit that “Holy”and “Spirit” are sometimes combined and used as one of the many designations for God. Thus, the Hebrew or Greek words for the "HOLY SPIRIT" should be brought into English as the "Holy Spirit” when the subject of a verse is God.
None of the dozens of descriptions, titles, or names of God are believed to be a separate, co-equal “Person” in a triune God except for the “HOLY SPIRIT” and there is no solid biblical reason to make the "Holy Spirit” into a separate “Person.” In other contexts the “HOLY SPIRIT” refers to the gift of God’s nature that He placed on people and the new birth to the Christian, and in those contexts it should be translated as the “holy spirit." God placed a form of His nature which is “holy spirit” upon people when He wanted to spiritually empower them because our natural fleshly human bodies do not have spirit power of their own. This holy spirit nature of God was a gift from God to humankind and we see this in the case of Acts 2:38 when the spirit is specifically called a "gift" when given to the Christian.
God put the holy spirit upon Jesus immediately after he was baptized by John the Baptist because Jesus himself needed God’s gift of the holy spirit to have supernatural power just as the leaders and prophets of the Old Testament did. This fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies that God would put the holy spirit upon the Messiah enabling him in his ministry. The gift of the holy spirit was born “in” believers (John 14:17) after the Day of Pentecost rather than resting “upon” them and this is one reason why Christians are said to be “born again” of God’s spirit (1Peter 1:3, 23). Christians have spiritual power when they receive the gift of the holy spirit (Acts 1:8) because the holy spirit is born in them and becomes part of their very nature, and this is why Christians are called God’s “holy ones” which is usually translated as “saints” in the New Testament.
God put His gift of the “holy spirit” or the “spirit” on as many people as He deemed necessary in the Old Testament, and we see this when we look at how God took the spirit that was upon Moses and put it upon the 70 elders of Israel. However, today everyone who makes Jesus Christ their Lord receives the indwelling gift of the holy spirit and that's why Peter on the Day of Pentecost quoted the prophecy in Joel that said God would “pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh." Many scholars admit the concept of the Trinity that also includes reference to the "Holy Spirit” as an independent “Person” cannot be found in the Old Testament. The Jews to whom the Old Testament was given did not recognize any such being. It's a well-known historical fact that “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone,” was the cry of Israel. No verse or context openly states or even directly infers that there is a separate “Person” called “the Holy Spirit."
Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him”because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and “S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lowercase such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
One of the ways we know that “pneuma hagion” often refers to the gift of God’s nature is that it “belongs” to God, who calls it “my” spirit. The spirit is called “God’s” spirit in many verses and King David understood the holy spirit belonged to God because he wrote “…do not take your holy spirit from me.” The Bible shows us that “the holy spirit” is under God’s authority and direction, which makes sense when we understand it's the gift of His nature that He gives to believers. The words “Messiah” in Hebrew (mashiyach מָשִׁיחַ) and “Christ” in Greek (christosΧριστός) both mean “anointed one.” Thus, the early Christians would have known him as “Jesus the anointed one.” God “anointed” Jesus Christ with the holy spirit and that's why Jesus was said to have been “anointed” even though people knew he had never been formally anointed with oil (Acts 4:27;10:38).
We have no evidence in the Bible that “the Holy Spirit” was ever used as a name because no one ever used it in a direct address. Many people spoke or prayed directly to God, starting out by saying “O Yahweh” (translated as “O LORD” in almost all English versions). Furthermore, the name “Jesus” is a Greek form of the name“Joshua” (in fact, the King James Version confuses “Joshua” and “Jesus” in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8) and many people spoke “to Jesus” in the Bible. But no one in the Bible ever used “the Holy Spirit” in a direct address because there's simply no actual name for any “Person” known as “the Holy Spirit” anywhere in the Bible.
The “holy spirit” God gave in the Old Testament was God’s nature, but after the Day of Pentecost He gave His nature in a new and fuller way than He had ever given it before and this is what was foretold in the Old Testament (Ezekiel 11:19;36:26). It was because this new spirit was promised in the Old Testament that the New Testament calls it “the promised holy spirit” Ephesians 1:13; Acts 2:33; Galatians 3:14). We have the “firstfruits” of the spirit (Romans 8:23) because Christians are the first to receive this new spirit and that's why we have the guarantee that we will be in the coming Messianic Kingdom.
The gift of the holy spirit that Christians have is a gift and thus an “it.” Jesus told the apostles that the spirit would be “in” them (John14:17)—which is what happened on the Day of Pentecost when the holy spirit went from being with or “upon” people in the Old Testament and Gospels to being born “in” people on and after the Day of Pentecost. The spirit is sent by the Father (John 14:16-17) and Jesus (John 16:7). It does not speak on its own, but it speaks only what it hears (John 16:13). Thus, the gift of the holy spirit is directed by God and Jesus, which is what we would expect since it's God’s nature born in us. The gift of the holy spirit is the nature of God, and when it's born in us it becomes part of our very nature (2 Peter 1:4).
God does not change, but the gift of God’s holy spirit that believers have today is different from the spirit that God gave in the Old Testament, and so the gift of God’s spirit has changed. The simple and straightforward reading of the Scripture is that there is one God, who is sometimes referred to as “the Holy Spirit” and one Lord who is the man Jesus Christ, and one gift of the holy spirit that is the nature of God that He gives to people.
I am just a learner- explain this passage-
I will pour out/ or is it "out of" my Spirit on all flesh.
I have a inkling that Holy Ghost is correct. But this is a whirlwind of imformation to be synthesized. I'd have to talk it outloud to see if it goes >for< or >against< scriptures.
God, in my opinion has created everything through His word/ His son. And in doing so Jesus goes back to the Father is restored the Glory(whatever this looks like?)
Now if He says I will pour ( my words)> "out of my Spirit" on all flesh then it sounds to me He is then creating something new through the resurrected power of body of Christ.
The Kingdom is said to come with power- And isn't that what He says to the Disciples wait in Jerusalem until the power of the Holyghost falls on you, dont quote me, but endowed with power. So I'd say the Holyghost is the power of the resurrected body of Christ. That this is the Spirit of the son. Henceforth it is possible to me that the Holyghost is the spirit that proceeds from/through the son by the Father.
So let's see if this fits here-
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
You are not living by your own natural abilities of your own desires, but feasting on the word, obedience to God, if it is true>>>>>>>>
That the annoiting power from God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the teachings of Christ, He is none of His.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
And if the annoiting power from God be in you, your body is dead because death has been destroyed. But God is your life because Jesus (the righteousness of God)hit the mark defeating death. (Undefiled obedience to His father's will. )
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Now because your spirits are alive, and God is the God of the living and not the dead, God can reconcile your bodies as well.
Good Sermon title: When God's will is your will
The question- Do God and Jesus exercise the same power?
Jesus says all authority has been given to me in heaven and in earth
Reference: we are his workmanship created in
Correct me if ya think I go wrong here
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With sin then being an impossibility for the reborn why would Jesus instruct the reborn that we are to pray not be led into temptation, & that we be delivered from evil, and that our sin to be forgiven ?
Luke 11:2
"And he said unto them, When ye pray, say,........
.........And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil."
Luke was written before there were Christians. Jesus was teaching to Israel in the book of Luke and not Christians.
Question: How do you turn this...
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Into this...
You are not living by your own natural abilities of your own desires, but feasting on the word, obedience to God, if it is true>>>>>>>>
That the annoiting power from God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the teachings of Christ, He is none of His.
Christ did not handout written memos, He spoke this to His Apostles who earnestly wanted to know from Him what the paramount points of our prayers should be.
Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
And he said unto them,
When ye pray, say,........
.........And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil."
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What was in my mind is the transformed nature of God’s word in the beginning.
The word was made flesh..the flesh has a glorified body
So as Jesus said these words I speak are Spirit and life.
I believe Jesus teaching acted upon are spirit and life.
Which mean the words transform to spirit and the Spirit acted upon is life.
So then if the Spirit of Christ is His teachings then those teachings transform in you from Spirit to life.
I mean why were people of their father the devil? Because they heeded to His words- his spirit. His character and nature and so death came. Are we not what we speak. Out of the heart the mouth speaks.
Why did Jesus live out every word of the father?
Now could it mean, "teachings of Christ" it takes some time to see if scripture affirms it.
Reference John6:63, 1John 4
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God is the God of the living
The passage seem to start with the end result and narrow down to (how the west was won) to how the process begun.
Hi, I said I was trying it out to see if it fits...
What was in my mind is the transformed nature of God’s word in the beginning.
The word was made flesh..the flesh has a glorified body
So as Jesus said these words I speak are Spirit and life.
I believe Jesus teaching acted upon are spirit and life.
Which mean the words transform to spirit and the Spirit acted upon is life.
So then if the Spirit of Christ is His teachings then those teachings transform in you from Spirit to life.
I mean why were people of their father the devil? Because they heeded to His words- his spirit. His character and nature and so death came. Are we not what we speak. Out of the heart the mouth speaks.
Why did Jesus live out every word of the father?
Now could it mean, "teachings of Christ" it takes some time to see if scripture affirms it.
Reference John6:63, 1John 4
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God is the God of the living
The passage seem to start with the end result and narrow down to (how the west was won) to how the process begun.
Your arrogance shows no compassion for those who ask you questions that should be so easy for you to answer since you claim to be an expert. That is a sad and scary place to be high up there on your pedestal.
What part of me asking you to explain what is the law of sin and death do you not understand?
No, that is not the problem. All you needed to do since you know all scripture was to at least give me Romans 8:1-17 in order to answer my question and we could have discussed the scriptures with each other, but I see you are a one man show. I pray you will get it one day soon as there are no lone wolves in the kingdom of God.
The Disciples were well schooled and raised up on the Old Covenant .
They were not asking Jesus for a refresher course in the law and Jesus was not giving one when He instructed them and us this way in the key points our prayers should focus on.
Luk 11:1
Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
Luk 11:2
And he said unto them,
When ye pray, say,........
.........And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil."
Luke is not addressing Christians. I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).The Disciples were well schooled and raised up on the Old Covenant .
They were not asking Jesus for a refresher course in the law and Jesus was not giving one when He instructed them and us this way in the key points our prayers should focus on.
Luk 11:1
Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
Luk 11:2
And he said unto them,
When ye pray, say,........
.........And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil."
Again, no verse. But you do attack me personally.
"When the debate is lost, insults become the loser's tool." - Socrates
I need a verse do converse about the law of sin and death. Without it I'm trying to explain what you think about the law of sin and death.
What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
God's Word is no different from my word. It's a tool for communication. Words are not alive nor are they another person.
What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.Christ did not handout written memos, He spoke this to His Apostles who earnestly wanted to know from Him what the paramount points of our prayers should be.
Luk 11:1
Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
Luk 11:2
And he said unto them,
When ye pray, say,........
.........And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil."