How to walk by the spirit.

[Peterlag7]

The question I asked is specific, not vague. A vague question would be, "Where do you get your understanding of God or Christianity?" To which the answer would be either the Bible or the NT.


You are putting the cart before the horse, as none of them even mention "the Spirit of Christ." On what basis are you assuming what (or who) the Spirit of Christ is? You actually left out part of one of the only verses in the entire NT that actually mentions "the Spirit of Christ." You danced right around it. How can you even use the phrase "spirit of Christ" if you don't even know where to find it in the Bible, which could suggest you don't know that it is in the Bible?

This is very important since you made two serious claims. First you said to someone "I cannot have a conversation with you about walking in the spirit if you think the spirit of Christ is God." Then, when I asked "You don't believe the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit?," you said "I do not believe there's a trinity."

If you're going to discuss the Spirit of Christ, then you must have the biblical understanding of the Spirit of Christ. That means you need to provide verses which actually mention the Spirit of Christ. In searching, we find that there are only two places in the Bible where the Spirit of Christ is mentioned:

Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)

Paul clearly equates the Spirit of Christ with the Spirit of God, who is the Holy Spirit. Your list completely ignored the last half of Rom. 8:9--"Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him."

1Pe 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
1Pe 1:11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (ESV)

Peter is saying that the Spirit by which the OT prophets prophesied was the Spirit of Christ, yet we know it was by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit (Num. 11:29; 1 Sam. 10:10; 19:20, 23; 2 Sam. 23:2; Neh. 9:30; etc.) and also:

Mar 12:36 David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet.”’ (ESV)

Act 28:25 And disagreeing among themselves, they departed after Paul had made one statement: “The Holy Spirit was right in saying to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet: (ESV)

Heb 1:1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, (ESV)

2Pe 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. (ESV)

In both cases--Rom. 8:9 and 1 Pet. 1:11--the only two instances in the entire Bible that mention the Spirit of Christ, the context makes it clear that the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, who is also known as the Holy Spirit.

Now that we know that, we can look at your list and see that it appears that you believe the Spirit of Christ to be the Holy Spirit. The best answer for which is that God is triune.

I don't dance around questions. I answered you to the best of my ability. I do use the entire New Testament in understanding the spirit of Christ. The scope of the whole Bible. In Romans 8:4, it's suggesting we walk after or by this spirit. In Romans 8:9, it calls this spirit the spirit of Christ. In Romans 8:11, it calls this spirit the spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead and that it dwells in us. In 1 Corinthians 3:16, it calls it the spirit of God that dwells in us. In Galatians 4:6, it's called the spirit of his son. And in Galatians 5:16, it talks about walking in this spirit.

 

[hawkman]

Then I cannot answer your question which was what Scripture do I use to believe in the spirit of Christ because I use the entire New Testament. Perhaps you can ask it in a different way. Like for example what's the Bible verse that talks about the new creature. Then I can give you 2 Corinthians 5:17 and that is the spirit of Christ that is refereed to as the new creature.

Ok let us pickup with the comments below again .

You don't believe the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit?

I do not believe there's a trinity.

If you don't believe there's a Trinity what do you believe about the interaction of God the Father , The Son and The Holy Spirit ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

You did not receive God who is The Holy Spirit when you got born again. You received His gift which is holy spirit.

I disagree.
Peter called the Holy Spirit the Holy Ghost, in Acts 2:38.
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Is the Holy Ghost actually the "holy ghost" ?
John writes..."But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)
Is your "holy spirit" is the Comforter.
Luke writes..."As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them." (Acts 13:2)
Does your "holy spirit" speak to or command other men ?
John also wrote..."For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7)
Does your "holy spirit" equate to the Father and the Word ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Then I cannot answer your question which was what Scripture do I use to believe in the spirit of Christ because I use the entire New Testament. Perhaps you can ask it in a different way. Like for example what's the Bible verse that talks about the new creature. Then I can give you 2 Corinthians 5:17 and that is the spirit of Christ that is referred to as the new creature.

That isn't what 2 Cor 5:17 says..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

 

[Peterlag7]

That isn't what 2 Cor 5:17 says..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

"in Christ" is the new nature. It tells you that right in the verse. It says "in Christ" Our new nature is the spirit of Christ and the walk is in him.

 

[Peterlag7]

I disagree.
Peter called the Holy Spirit the Holy Ghost, in Acts 2:38.
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Is the Holy Ghost actually the "holy ghost" ?
John writes..."But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)
Is your "holy spirit" is the Comforter.
Luke writes..."As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them." (Acts 13:2)
Does your "holy spirit" speak to or command other men ?
John also wrote..."For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7)
Does your "holy spirit" equate to the Father and the Word ?

Paul did not call it the Holy Ghost in Acts 2:38. The KJV did. Paul called it in the Greek pneuma hagios.

 

[Free]

I don't dance around questions.

I didn't say you danced around the question, but that you danced around the clear mention of "the Spirit of Christ" in Rom. 8:9 by leaving off the last half of the verse. That was one of the two relevant verses I was looking for.

I answered you to the best of my ability. I do use the entire New Testament in understanding the spirit of Christ. The scope of the whole Bible. In Romans 8:4, it's suggesting we walk after or by this spirit. In Romans 8:9, it calls this spirit the spirit of Christ. In Romans 8:11, it calls this spirit the spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead and that it dwells in us. In 1 Corinthians 3:16, it calls it the spirit of God that dwells in us. In Galatians 4:6, it's called the spirit of his son. And in Galatians 5:16, it talks about walking in this spirit.

Except that you completely left out the only two verses that explicitly mention "the Spirit of Christ," both of which also show that the Spirit of Christ is also the Spirit of God, who is also the Holy Spirit. You have to start with those and then move outward. If you want to talk about the Spirit of Christ, then a proper understanding of the Spirit of Christ begins with where "the Spirit of Christ" is mentioned in the Bible.

What does it suggest that the Spirit of Christ is also known as the Spirit of his Son, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit of your Father, the Spirit of God, and the Holy Spirit? Does it not suggest an intimacy between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

 

[Peterlag7]

Ok let us pickup with the comments below again .



If you don't believe there's a Trinity what do you believe about the interaction of God the Father , The Son and The Holy Spirit ?

Backing up is good because we came from different teachers and everybody is on different levels on certain subjects. I do believe the spirit of Christ is the holy spirit. I believe that 100 percent. Sometimes called the spirit of God that He sometimes refers to as the spirit of Christ.

Now the trinity is a whole different conversation. My teachers taught me the trinity is not biblical.

 

[Peterlag7]

I didn't say you danced around the question, but that you danced around the clear mention of "the Spirit of Christ" in Rom. 8:9 by leaving off the last half of the verse. That was one of the two relevant verses I was looking for.


Except that you completely left out the only two verses that explicitly mention "the Spirit of Christ," both of which also show that the Spirit of Christ is also the Spirit of God, who is also the Holy Spirit. You have to start with those and then move outward. If you want to talk about the Spirit of Christ, then a proper understanding of the Spirit of Christ begins with where "the Spirit of Christ" is mentioned in the Bible.

What does it suggest that the Spirit of Christ is also known as the Spirit of his Son, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit of your Father, the Spirit of God, and the Holy Spirit? Does it not suggest an intimacy between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

I don't see what you see concerning Romans 8:9. I agree the spirit of Christ is also called the spirit of God that He somethings calls the spirit of his son. There are many terms used for the spirit of Christ and you list them so we both know what they are. There are many names for me too. Sometimes I'm called a human or a man or flesh and bone etc. So we understand each other here. But this last statement you made about the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit is where you lost me. I believe God is Holy and Spirit.

 

[Corinth77777]

God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[Peterlag7]

God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

There are some Greek manuscripts that read, “God appeared in the flesh.” This reading of some Greek manuscripts has passed into some English versions, and the King James Version is one of them. Trinitarian scholars admit, however, that these Greek texts were altered by scribes in favor of the Trinitarian position. The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent. Below is a few Bibles other than the KJV

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh and was justified in The Spirit; He appeared to Angels and was preached among the Gentiles; He was trusted in the world and he ascended into glory.

New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.

 

[Hopeful 2]

"in Christ" is the new nature. It tells you that right in the verse. It says "in Christ" Our new nature is the spirit of Christ and the walk is in him.

The "man" is the new creature written of in 2 Cor 5:17; and has God's Spirit, or, Holy Ghost, in him.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Paul did not call it the Holy Ghost in Acts 2:38. The KJV did. Paul called it in the Greek pneuma hagios.

You are correct.
Peter did.

 

[for_his_glory]

I do not evade questions since I'm an expert on the New Testament and have no reason to fear questions. When I use the word "flesh" I'm using it like the Bible does which refers to those who are not born again or who are not walking in the spirit. See Romans 8 for the Scripture on this.

Since you are a self proclaimed expert on the NT, who apparently has to much pride in yourself, so why can you not answer my question.
I will ask again. What is the law of sin and death?

 

[Corinth77777]

You are correct.
Peter did.

I don't know if this bears anything but I did read a researcher saying that the Holyghost is actually the Spirit of the Holy. But I still am not sure. It really has to be mediatated upon.

 

[Corinth77777]

Since you are a self proclaimed expert on the NT, who apparently has to much pride in yourself, so why can you not answer my question.
I will ask again. What is the law of sin and death?

Wow!

 

[for_his_glory]

My teachers taught me the trinity is not biblical.

So, you are going to believe those in whom you sit under that are teaching you instead of studying and believing the very word of God, in which you said you are an expert, but yet can not answer our questions.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Peterlag7]

So, you are going to believe those in whom you sit under that are teaching you instead of studying and believing the very word of God, in which you said you are an expert, but yet can not answer our questions.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

I am an expert in the New Testament and so one would think I have already done my own studying and as far as not answering your question. That is only done when I don't understand what you are asking or in this case when you ask nothing.

 

[Peterlag7]

Since you are a self proclaimed expert on the NT, who apparently has to much pride in yourself, so why can you not answer my question.
I will ask again. What is the law of sin and death?

Oh I see the problem. There's no verse. I comment on Scripture. Not what's in your mind.

 

[Peterlag7]

The "man" is the new creature written of in 2 Cor 5:17; and has God's Spirit, or, Holy Ghost, in him.

Well, we disagree on this. I see the new creature as the spirit of God that destroyed the sin nature we got from Adam.