Christian Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
-
Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
-
-
Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
-
-
How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
-
How will the world explain the rapture?
- Thread starter theLords
- Start date
watchman F
Member
veryone that takes part in the first resurrection reign and rule with Christ during the millennium. Those beheaded during the tribulation will take part in the first resurrection, and so will everyone else that has died in Christ.
Oats
Member
watchman F
Member
We are with Jsus when He destroys the AC. What makes you think that the AC is destroyed before the rapture?
jasoncran
Member
as a pre-tribber he is revealed soon after. if we are here when he is still alive then the a/c must be overcome.
as he is most able to kill and slay us as its clearly stated that the ac is able to overcome the saints.
theres a verse on thessalioians that says that the a/c cant be revealed till he that restrains is removed first.
jasoncran
Member
read what revalation 20:5 says.
The beast (anti-christ) and the false prophet are captured at the battle of Armageddon and cast into the eternal Lake of fire. and 1000 years later satan himself is cast into the lake of fire.
Jesus does not need to defeat the army of the beast before the rapture. He comes to earth. the saints are caught up in the air to meet Him and they come down and the army of the beast is destroyed upon their arrival.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Mike
Member
Rev 20 has been beaten down and hashed out endlessly. Pretribbers see what they see, and there's no talking them out of it. Rather than be involved in another endless thread disputing that which there will never be agreement (until Christ returns), I'll simply have my say. All the symbolism in Revelation, and this thousand year period is clung to as literal. I'll never understand the pre-tribber, and they will never understand those of us who aren't. And we're studying the same Words!
It's odd that a few threads in the last day or two are on other points but taking certain things for granted, as if the there is no discussion on the matter. A non-Christian asked about what those who aren't sheep are to do as if the Calvinist view is the only one on the table, and here it's as though pretribulation is the only choice for dinner. My plate's already full, and my cup runnith over. As this thread goes pages and pages with arguments about a thousand year rein, nothing will change and we'll still be on either side of the fence.
I guess what concerns me most is that those in the pretrib camp can be so focused on what the anti-Christ will look like, they will lose focus. Some are convinced to look for a sign on the forehead. Some are sure of a micro-chip implanted. Is there a risk of being too fixated on what the anti-Christ will look like? I for one am not looking for any one anti-Christ. Everything not of Christ is the anti-Christ. I will continue to keep my lamp burning, and focus on my walk.
freeway
Member
I'm a pre tribber, What ever it is that the "whole" world will believe it must be something that is huge.. I mean the whole world will believe the lie. the only thing I can think of is "ufo" something mysterious that cannot be explained. diseases, wars, nukes etc. All man made things can be refuted, but aliens "demons" which I believe they are, now that cannot be explained..
the Pre trib Rapture yes... If we all leave at the end of the tribulation, then "who" repopulates the world??
the Pre trib Rapture yes... If we all leave at the end of the tribulation, then "who" repopulates the world??
Do you think Christians are "He that restrains" ?
The restrainer is an agent of God, might be an angel, might be the Holy Spirit. Whoever it is, it is not Christians.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
S
Strangelove
Guest
Archangel Michael?
I'm also tired of people talking about THE antichrist. We've been over this plenty of times.
If your gonna look out for a guy then call him by his correct name. Man of Sin....Son of Perdition.
Abbreviate to SOP or MOS or whatever. Please.
I personaly have no problem with the term antichrist. The saints in the time of John where told that the antichrist was coming.
You can also call him the lawless one.
1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
You can also call him the lawless one.
1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
jasoncran
Member
he dwells within us.
if we are taken out of the way first take notice that it gets far far worse.
and mike. if you know me by know i dont look for the ac and what he is.
surely that battle over the noahides has shown you that.
I totally disagree with you. We are not what restrains.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
jasoncran
Member
ever notice that after the ascension of christ that god uses men and doesnt visit the earth till he returns.
he uses men to save,heal
and so on.
we are his temple and when we are removed the a/c christ is able to do his thing
ever wonder about the verse that says whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in the heaveans and loosed on earth is loosed in heavens?
he uses men to save,heal
and so on.
we are his temple and when we are removed the a/c christ is able to do his thing
ever wonder about the verse that says whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in the heaveans and loosed on earth is loosed in heavens?
freeway
Member
I believe the SOP or MOS is the AC and will be a mean SOB that will be reveiled PDQ
S
Strangelove
Guest
My Bible doesnt say THE antichrist.
2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that
antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;
whereby we know that it is the last time.
antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;
whereby we know that it is the last time.
The exact Greek text reads back in english as:
2:18 last // hour // it is // even // just // you heard // that // antichrist // coming // even // now // antichrist // many // developed // which // we // know // that // last // hour // it is.
And the fact that we know there are many who are around that this term applies to means that it is not the correct term for the Son of Perdition.
Antichrists are anyone that opposes Christ. There are millions in the world.
Man of Sin is a specific dude who will be revealed and we need to look out for. Of course he will be 'antichrist' but he is much more than that.
I just think it's better not to confuse the two.
Doc.
E
Elijah674
Guest
Very True, (1 John 2:18) but we can go to far the other way, as well? In 2 Thess. 2:4-12 we find one particular antichrist that had been [starting up] before AD 54 time of writing. And most are familiar with Dan. 2's Image & two legged rome. Who became both church & State. All these verses are full of Last day information!
--Elijah
Last edited by a moderator:
Drew
Member
I think that modern Christians are in error in believing in a rapture. I politely suggest that many have missed the allusions to Old Testament texts that are present in such text as that famous Thessalonians text used to support the idea of a rapture. Knowing these allusions works against the concept of a rapture.
The writers of Scripture, including Paul, knew their Old Testament. And they know a good metaphor when they see one. I believe that the "rapture" concept only arose in the last 200 years or so. And while it is widely believed in North America, I think the idea of a rapture is not so widely embraced elsewhere.
I believe the most compelling arguments lead to the conclusion that there will be no rapture.