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"I Believe" Does That Mean I'm Saved?

Douglas Summers said:
Here is what I do know and stand on. "for there is no other name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved.(Acts 4:12). Jesus, before His incarnation was the God of the OT. (John 1: 1-5). Jesus was a love gift from the Father to the righteous man. Righteous does not mean Holy or perfect, but a man who looked to the promises of God, believing God, looking for His mercy from above.(Gen. 6: 5-8) (Matt. 13: 17). So when a man is saved, he is saved by God The Father through God the Son incarnate. It had to be that way. For as by one man came death unto all men, so by one man came life everlasting. For it behooved Him to become like His brethren (Heb. 2: 9-18) (Rom. 5: 12-21)
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Amen!
There are two types of believing, one with faith and the other without faith.
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How are you using the word 'faith' here? As a noun or verb?

Also, if the Bible distinguishes between the 2, what passage does so?

Thanks.
 
FreeGrace said:
Amen!


How are you using the word 'faith' here? As a noun or verb?

Also, if the Bible distinguishes between the 2, what passage does so?

Thanks.
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As a verb. (active personal trust) That trust that commits the believer utterly to God in Christ. Implying to take refuge; "to lean upon", to be, "convinced" or "persuaded".
John 12:42 Nevertheless, among the chief rulers, also many believed on Him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they be put out of the synagogue. Also (Luke 12:8-9)
 
Douglas Summers said:
As a verb. (active personal trust)
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As a verb, it means the same thing as "believe".

That trust that commits the believer utterly to God in Christ. Implying to take refuge; "to lean upon", to be, "convinced" or "persuaded".
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Which is what "believe" means.

John 12:42 Nevertheless, among the chief rulers, also many believed on Him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they be put out of the synagogue. Also (Luke 12:8-9)
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Point is, they believed in Him. There is nothing here about not receiving the gift of God.

Their trust was in Him, but they were too chicken to admit it to the Pharisees.
 
Not wanting to take this off topic but I have a question. Is there a difference between "believe in" and "believe on?"

The reason I ask is James 2:19 NKJV.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

My thought has been that Satan and his demons believe but they don't put their faith in Him.
 
WIP said:
Not wanting to take this off topic but I have a question. Is there a difference between "believe in" and "believe on?"

The reason I ask is James 2:19 NKJV.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

My thought has been that Satan and his demons believe but they don't put their faith in Him.
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It is not "believe on". People who don't know exactly who Jesus "is", will be in for a rude awakening at judgement!
 
Searching New Testament Scripture I find both versions in the NKJV and KJV, which seems to suggest they could have different meanings but I only find "believe in" in the ESV, NIV, RSV, and NASB. In the NKJV I found "believe on" in Acts, Romans, 1 Timothy, 1 Peter, and 1 John so it does not appear unique to one particular author as possibly a different slang.

Is there a difference?
 
You can't "believe on", if you don't know what you are really "believing in". I almost started a thread about the narrow path Jesus speaks of.

Jesus himself is the biggest miracle ever given to humankind. He is real and the words he spoke are not a joke. When he says love your enemies. Not a joke.
 
Maybe a new thread in the Christian Talk forum would be more appropriate.
 
FreeGrace said:
As a verb, it means the same thing as "believe".


Which is what "believe" means.


Point is, they believed in Him. There is nothing here about not receiving the gift of God.

Their trust was in Him, but they were too chicken to admit it to the Pharisees.
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WIP said:
Not wanting to take this off topic but I have a question. Is there a difference between "believe in" and "believe on?"

The reason I ask is James 2:19 NKJV.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

My thought has been that Satan and his demons believe but they don't put their faith in Him.
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Interesting thought. I hadn't thought of that. I'd say that there would be a big difference. I have applied that thinking to the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Many say "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" which happened when we believed, not what happened at Pentecost. Correct terminology is Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
 
in looking at the 'root word stuff G1519 is used for both in and on...
 
WIP said:
Not wanting to take this off topic but I have a question. Is there a difference between "believe in" and "believe on?"
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I haven't seen anything in Scripture to think there is. In fact, Scripture uses both phrases for how to be saved.

The reason I ask is James 2:19 NKJV.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

My thought has been that Satan and his demons believe but they don't put their faith in Him.
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But what is it the demons believe? That God is One. Monotheism. What the demons believe according to James 2:19 has nothing to do with saving faith.

Now, why do demons believe that God is One? Because they experienced it before they rebelled.

However, Jesus pointed out that one can believe because of direct experience or on the basis of faith alone.

Jn 20:29 - Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Jesus used miracles to demonstrate His power as deity and to encourage the people to believe in Him as the Son of God. And those who believe are saved. But those who never saw any miracles have also believed and are saved.
 
Chopper said:
Interesting thought. I hadn't thought of that. I'd say that there would be a big difference. I have applied that thinking to the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Many say "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" which happened when we believed, not what happened at Pentecost. Correct terminology is Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
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I'm happy to have been baptized 'with' the Holy Spirit ;)
 
kiwidan said:
Lol. Context.

Is Jesus in God or God in Jesus?
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Both. Here is your Scripture.

John 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 14:10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 14:11Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
 
mutzrein said:
I'm happy to have been baptized 'with' the Holy Spirit ;)
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I'm delighted that you were saved and baptized into the family of God. Hopefully, you will come to realize that Jesus wants to work thru you to fulfill the purpose of which He has called you to serve Him. That will involve another baptism, such as happened at Pentecost. Forget about speaking in tongues. Today, there are 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit that don't involve "tongues". Any one of those would reveal that you have been baptized IN the Holy Spirit.

Many today are confused about the baptism in the Holy Spirit. At Pentecost, the 7 other gifts of the Holy Spirit were not needed because the Church of Jesus Christ had not been established thru the Apostles. Tongues was the first to be introduced as a necessary sign that this supernatural event produced necessary evidence that something completely new had entered the minds of the folk who were gathered there.

This supernatural sign of tongues pointed to the Apostles as authorized agents of Christ Jesus. Little did anyone know that this event would establish a new thing called the "Church" of Jesus Christ which, as it would be established, would need the other 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Baptism, places the Christian into the ministry of the Holy Spirit to witness with new power to the world, the Gospel that saves.
 
Chopper said:
I'm delighted that you were saved and baptized into the family of God. Hopefully, you will come to realize that Jesus wants to work thru you to fulfill the purpose of which He has called you to serve Him. That will involve another baptism, such as happened at Pentecost. Forget about speaking in tongues. Today, there are 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit that don't involve "tongues". Any one of those would reveal that you have been baptized IN the Holy Spirit.

Many today are confused about the baptism in the Holy Spirit. At Pentecost, the 7 other gifts of the Holy Spirit were not needed because the Church of Jesus Christ had not been established thru the Apostles. Tongues was the first to be introduced as a necessary sign that this supernatural event produced necessary evidence that something completely new had entered the minds of the folk who were gathered there.

This supernatural sign of tongues pointed to the Apostles as authorized agents of Christ Jesus. Little did anyone know that this event would establish a new thing called the "Church" of Jesus Christ which, as it would be established, would need the other 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Baptism, places the Christian into the ministry of the Holy Spirit to witness with new power to the world, the Gospel that saves.
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I am aware that many consider the baptism of the Holy Spirit to be a separate experience from salvation. I don't. And I don't see the gift of tongues as being the measure of this baptism.
 
Chopper said:
When I was attending Bible College, a Professor made this statement. "If anyone says that they believe in Jesus, they are saved." Later, I came across this portion of Scripture that made me question that statement. What do you think?
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Here's one to ponder; when Jesus encountered the man with the legion of demons, a demon stated, “What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?" The demon knew exactly who Jesus was. He believed.

And the Demon afflicting the man in the synagogue at Capernaum said "I know who You are—the Holy One of God!” He also believed.

And James said, "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!"

So it would seem that something more than belief is necessary. Otherwise, all those demons would have been saved.

IMHO: Faith is meaningless without faithfulness.

iakov the fool :boing
 
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