I was denied the eucharist...and it hurt

[Jethro Bodine]

No Jesus wasn't talking metaphorically.

And it is not cannibalism. See this answer from Catholic Answers:

Is Receiving the Eucharist Cannibalism?​

It's ridiculous that to become a saved person you have to literally eat the body and blood of Christ. What you have to do to become a saved person is be forgiven. And that forgiveness is received by having faith in it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

That's not my decision. It's the decision of the Catholic Church.

What gives the Catholic church the power to deny Communion to a born again child of God????? Nothing of course. No one, and no thing has the authority to stand between a child of God and the observance of the Passover wine and bread. That privilege lies exclusively in the fact that that person belongs to Jesus Christ.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

As a non-Catholic, understanding that they have an entirely different view of Communion, I would never stand in line to try and receive it, should I ever find myself at an RC church.

I wouldn't either.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

There are some Reformed churches that won't let anyone they don't know take part in Communion, as they don't know if the person is truly a believer, and it could potentially result in a person eating and drinking judgement on themself (1 Cor 11:29).

I don't think that's the definition Paul gives for eating and drinking unworthily.

I feel it's incumbent on the person themselves as to whether or not they should take Communion. Aside from an obvious instance, I don't know where the church gets this supposed authority to administer the food and drink as they see fit. The person themselves judges whether or not they are in a condition worthy to eat and drink. But if there is some scripture that says otherwise that I haven't thought of then I'm open to correction.

 

[WIP]

But only according to the reason the Bible says not to participate. Catholic vs. non-Catholic is not a reason. If a Catholic visited my church they could most certainly take Communion.

Same here and they would be welcomed to do so although they probably wouldn't, which I think is a little foolish and petty but that's just my $.02. I can say this with confidence because I was a baptized, confirmed member of the Catholic church and at that time I would have refused to partake in a non-Catholic church.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Do you disagree with historian John Dickson? This is a quote of his from Facebook:

"It's worth remembering that our primary sources establish that Easter (Pascha), as a regular festival recalling Christ's death and resurrection, was observed as early as the mid-to-late 100s AD. Christians were already disagreeing over the precise day—whether 14 Nisan or a nearby Sunday—but they all accepted the importance of the celebration. The same evidence also indicates that the Christians of that time believed the celebration of the festival to be a tradition deriving from the apostles themselves. I suspect they were correct.

[Primary sources: Irenaeus, Melito of Sardis, Letter of Polycrates, as well as Eusebius and Socrates Scholasticus]"

I disagree that God instituted an official Easter Observance. And even if he did, he certainly would not name it after a variant of Ishtar, lol (a pagan god of fertility, if not mistaken). We do it because the Catholics codified it, even outlawing the Mosaic Passover observance.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

No it doesn't.
And yet again you make allegations with no evidence.

I don't buy it.
Catholics don't believe that non-Catholics are saved. If they did there would be no need for the Catholic church. You know it, and I know it. Catholics have been trying to put a good face on the Catholic church. It's deceitful and it has to stop.

 

[GodsGrace]

Not when those rules are wrong.

L,
If you want to work for Tesla,
And they require you to work from their offices,
You better show up at the office.
Musk makes the rules, not you.
Same for all the denominations.
Some even want you to be baptized if you want to join.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Wrong according to who?
You?

According to the Bible.
Nothing in there about not being able to take communion because of religious affiliation.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

L,
If you want to work for Tesla,
And they require you to work from their offices,
You better show up at the office.
Musk makes the rules, not you.
Same for all the denominations.
Some even want you to be baptized if you want to join.

And since the Catholic church don't play by the rule book, but their own instead, I don't go! Same for any other Protestant church.

 

[GodsGrace]

Oh, good grief. There's nothing to chew on there, lol. He was obviously talking metaphorically. Christianity is NOT a religion of cannibalism.

I'm not so sure anymore.
Jesus said the Manna did not satisfy, but who ever eats of Him will be filled. It's beginning to sound more literal the more I study it.

 

[GodsGrace]

She plainly said she was refused because she was considered non-Catholic. Which you can't deny means, to the Catholic church, unsaved.

No.
It's because she's not Catholic.
Transubstantiation....

 

[Jethro Bodine]

No.
It's because she's not Catholic.
Transubstantiation....

Where in the Bible does it say you have to believe that the wine is the literal blood of Christ and the bread is the literal body of Christ to qualify as being worthy to partake of it?

Read that passage carefully because I'm going to show you right from that passage you're wrong!

 

[Free]

I disagree that God instituted an official Easter Observance. And even if he did, he certainly would not name it after a variant of Ishtar, lol (a pagan god of fertility, if not mistaken). We do it because the Catholics codified it, even outlawing the Mosaic Passover observance.

No one said that God instituted it. You can disagree with a historian if you want to, but that is a peculiar choice.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm not so sure anymore.
Jesus said the Manna did not satisfy, but who ever eats of Him will be filled. It's beginning to sound more literal the more I study it.

All you have to do is look down in the cup and stare at the bread to see it doesn't change into anything. It remains the wine and bread it always was.

 

[GodsGrace]

Actually, I think He did.

God gave warnings of false teaching through His prophets.

And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’ ” Thus says the Lord God: “Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! O Israel, your prophets are like foxes in the deserts. You have not gone up into the gaps to build a wall for the house of Israel to stand in battle on the day of the Lord. They have envisioned futility and false divination, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord!’ But the Lord has not sent them; yet they hope that the word may be confirmed. Have you not seen a futile vision, and have you not spoken false divination? You say, ‘The Lord says,’ but I have not spoken.” Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Because you have spoken nonsense and envisioned lies, therefore I am indeed against you,” says the Lord God. “My hand will be against the prophets who envision futility and who divine lies; they shall not be in the assembly of My people, nor be written in the record of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord God.
Ezekiel 13:1-9 NKJV

And the Lord said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart. Therefore thus says the Lord concerning the prophets who prophesy in My name, whom I did not send, and who say, ‘Sword and famine shall not be in this land’—‘By sword and famine those prophets shall be consumed!"
Jeremiah 14:14-15 NKJV

Jesus warned of false teachings.

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
Matthew 7:15-20 NKJV

"There will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened. Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."
Matthew 24:21-24 NKJV

Paul too gave warnings.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 NKJV

Peter gave warnings as well.

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 3:14-18 NKJV

There were heresies in the church from the beginning.
We could thank the CC for eliminating them from the church.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

No one said that God instituted it. You can disagree with a historian if you want to, but that is a peculiar choice.

I'm not challenging the historicity of any Sunday observance. I'm challenging the authoritative institution of those observances by the Catholic church.

 

[GodsGrace]

All you have to do is look down in the cup and stare at the bread to see it doesn't change into anything. It remains the wine and bread it always was.

It's complicated.
Strange things have happened.
Watch that video I posted on the Latin Mass.
If you want to learn about CC.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not challenging the historicity of any Sunday observance. I'm challenging the authoritative institution of those observances by the Catholic church.

The churches could follow the SDAs.
I guess they don't want to.

 

[GodsGrace]

Where in the Bible does it say you have to believe that the wine is the literal blood of Christ and the bread is the literal body of Christ to qualify as being worthy to partake of it?

Read that passage carefully because I'm going to show you right from that passage you're wrong!

A little later...