I was denied the eucharist...and it hurt

[Jethro Bodine]

Another opinion without evidence or understanding.

Denying a born again member of Christ's body access to the wine and the bread under any circumstances except the one taught in scripture is like saying Cornelius could be prevented from being baptized (Acts 10:47), which Peter says he could not be.

Since you say the Catholics acknowledge there are born again children of God who are not Catholics how is it that they can deny born again people access to the body and blood of Jesus which they have already been saved by and into?

 

[Mungo]

Pasch predated the Catholic Church and is not the same as Easter:

The origin of Easter​

According to William E. Vine, “The term ‘Easter’ is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch [Passover] held by Christians in post-apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast. … From this Pasch the pagan festival of ‘Easter’ was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity” (Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1997, “Easter”).

From:

Origin of Easter

Where did Easter and its customs come from? The Bible doesn’t mention rabbits or eggs or sunrise services. So what is the origin of Easter?

lifehopeandtruth.com

Easter, like Christmas, is an invention of the Catholic Church. Both were designed with the intention of making Christianity attractive to pagans by closely linking those holidays with pagan beliefs and timetables.

Two things.
1. The usage of the word Easter (whatever it's origin) is a peculiarity of English, and therefore speaking nations.
Other languages use words based on the Jewish Pesach, "Great Day" or Great Night", Resurrection or combinations of them. For example I have a list of them and there are 38 languages based on Pesach. Here are a few- Danish, Finnish, Greek, Irish, Italian, Japanese, Latin, Polish, Russia, Turkish.
The official name for this festival in the Catholic Church (Pascha or Festa Paschalia) is based on the Hebrew for Passover.

2. According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica:
There is now widespread consensus that the word derives from the Christian designation of Easter week as in albis, a Latin phrase that was understood as the plural of alba (“dawn”) and became eostarum in Old High German, the precursor of the modern German and English term. The Latin and Greek pascha (“Passover”) provides the root for Pâcques, the French word for Easter.
Easter

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Another display of ignorance.
The Catholic Church does not teach that non-Catholics are not saved

I'm getting used to the double-speak of Catholic doctrine - saying one thing but believing another. But for argument's sake we'll go with Catholics believe that non-Catholics can be saved people, too.

 

[Mungo]

Denying a born again member of Christ's body access to the wine and the bread under any circumstances except the one taught in scripture is like saying Cornelius could be prevented from being baptized (Acts 10:47), which Peter says he could not be.

The comparison is false.

Since you say the Catholics acknowledge there are born again children of God who are not Catholics how is it that they can deny born again people access to the body and blood of Jesus into which they have already been saved by and into?

This has been explained to you several times in this thread.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Two things.
1. The usage of the word Easter (whatever it's origin) is a peculiarity of English, and therefore speaking nations.
Other languages use words based on the Jewish Pesach, "Great Day" or Great Night", Resurrection or combinations of them. For example I have a list of them and there are 38 languages based on Pesach. Here are a few- Danish, Finnish, Greek, Irish, Italian, Japanese, Latin, Polish, Russia, Turkish.
The official name for this festival in the Catholic Church (Pascha or Festa Paschalia) is based on the Hebrew for Passover.

2. According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica:
There is now widespread consensus that the word derives from the Christian designation of Easter week as in albis, a Latin phrase that was understood as the plural of alba (“dawn”) and became eostarum in Old High German, the precursor of the modern German and English term. The Latin and Greek pascha (“Passover”) provides the root for Pâcques, the French word for Easter.
Easter

Hmm...now you have to acknowledge that Communion is a Passover celebration. You denied before.

 

[Mungo]

I'm getting used to the double-speak of Catholic doctrine - saying one thing but believing another. But for argument's sake we'll go with Catholics believe that non-Catholics can be saved people, too.

There is no double speak, just your failure to understand Catholic teaching.

 

[Mungo]

Hmm...now you have to acknowledge that Communion is a Passover celebration. You denied before.

False.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The comparison is false.


This has been explained to you several times in this thread.

It's obvious, then, that Catholics deny access to Communion based on religious affiliation, not whether one is born again and acting in line with faith, or not. An entirely and very un-Biblical reason. But since Catholics don't believe in sola-scriptura and can invent their own extra-Biblical doctrines then I guess it's okay.

See, your spiritual rule is that of men, not the Spirit that moved the Apostles. And all you can do to rationalize that fact is to insist your men are also moved by the Holy Spirit. Well, you're a sitting duck for error if you submit to such a system. And it's obvious that is exactly what has happened to the Catholic church. It is rift with error by way of the teaching and interpretation of men.

 

[Mungo]

It's obvious, then, that Catholics deny access to Communion based on religious affiliation, not whether one is born again and acting in line with faith, or not.

It has been pointed out from the beginning that only Catholics may receive communion in a Catholic Church, and the reasons for that have been explained.

An entirely and very un-Biblical reason.

No it isn't. And that has been explained.

But since Catholics don't believe in sola-scriptura and can invent their own extra-Biblical doctrines then I guess it's okay.

Sola Scriptura is not biblical.

See, your spiritual rule is that of men, not the Spirit that moved the Apostles. And all you can do to rationalize that fact is to insist your men are also moved by the Holy Spirit. Well, you're a sitting duck for error if you submit to such a system. And it's obvious that is exactly what has happened to the Catholic church. It is rift with error by way of the teaching and interpretation of men.

False.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hmm...now you have to acknowledge that Communion is a Passover celebration. You denied before.

False.

Here's where you denied that Communion is Passover:

BTW if you read the OP she was not attending a Passover - that's a Jewish feast.

Yes, but Christians do not replicate the Jewish Passover.
Moreover if, as I suspect, she was attending the Good Friday service that does not have any of the elements of the Jewish Passover

This is just another example of the Catholic double-speak I was talking about. I always encounter this when talking to Catholics. You cover up what you really believe with stuff you hope makes your religion more palatable to outsiders.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It has been pointed out from the beginning that only Catholics may receive communion in a Catholic Church, and the reasons for that have been explained.

And denying the Elements to a born again person is akin to denying baptism to born again Cornelius. Catholics have no spiritual authority or right to do that. The Catholic church is free to not let someone through the doors of their church and restrict people that way. That's just a simple matter of property rights. But it has zero authority to prevent a genuine child of God from approaching God in worship who has not disqualified himself, Biblically, from approaching God in worship. That is the height of arrogance to think they can.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Sola Scriptura is not biblical.

And as I say, that makes you a sitting duck for the error of godless and Spirit-less men. And that is exactly what has happened to the Catholic church. Men rule you, not the Holy Spirit. And we can go there if you want. I know from talking to Catholics that the Catholic church does not believe that the individual parishioner has access to the discernment of the Spirit. Only the leadership of the church has that. And this supposed privilege has led to a bloated and complicated un-Biblical theology and practice far removed from the simplicity of the theology and practice of the first church. And Catholics gladly accept that because they've been told they don't have access to the truth, only the leadership of the church does, and they'll let you know what the truth is, and you just have to accept it and not test it, because you're not equipped to test it.

 

[Mungo]

Here's where you denied that Communion is Passover:

Communion is a part of a Catholic religious service. Normally that is the Mass but also includes what is known as a "service of the Word" when a priest cannot be present, and also the Good Friday service.

In those services we remember (make present) what Jesus did at the Last Supper, just as he told us to (1Cor 11:24&25). However it is not the Jewish Passover ritual.

This is just another example of the Catholic double-speak I was talking about. I always encounter this when talking to Catholics. You cover up what you really believe with stuff you hope makes your religion more palatable to outsiders.

False

 

[Mungo]

And denying the Elements to a born again person is akin to denying baptism to born again Cornelius.

A false comparison.

Catholics have no spiritual authority or right to do that. The Catholic church is free to not let someone through the doors of their church and restrict people that way. That's just a simple matter of property rights. But it has zero authority to prevent a genuine child of God from approaching God in worship who has not disqualified himself, Biblically, from approaching God in worship. That is the height of arrogance to think they can.

The Catholic Church does not "prevent a genuine child of God from approaching God in worship who has not disqualified himself, Biblically, from approaching God in worship".
That is just another of your false claims.

 

[Mungo]

And as I say, that makes you a sitting duck for the error of godless and Spirit-less men. And that is exactly what has happened to the Catholic church. Men rule you, not the Holy Spirit. And we can go there if you want. I know from talking to Catholics that the Catholic church does not believe that the individual parishioner has access to the discernment of the Spirit. Only the leadership of the church has that. And this supposed privilege has led to a bloated and complicated theology and practice that far removed from the simplicity of the theology and practice of the first church. And Catholics gladly accept that because they've been told they don't have access to the truth, only the leadership of the church does, and they'll let you know what the truth is, and you just have to accept it and not test it, because you're not equipped to test it.

Another false claim.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Communion is a part of a Catholic religious service. Normally that is the Mass but also includes what is known as a "service of the Word" when a priest cannot be present, and also the Good Friday service.

In those services we remember (make present) what Jesus did at the Last Supper, just as he told us to (1Cor 11:24&25). However it is not the Jewish Passover ritual.

Then why do you call it Easter claiming it's a linguistical variant of 'Passover'? This is just more double-speak.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The Catholic Church does not "prevent a genuine child of God from approaching God in worship who has not disqualified himself, Biblically, from approaching God in worship".
That is just another of your false claims.

Good grief, man. It happened to the OP!!!!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

A false comparison.

If a person is already born again and at one and at peace with God through Jesus Christ what right, what authority does anyone have to separate him from a celebration of the body and blood of Christ in Communion (outside of the Biblical reason, of course)? This is the very kind of interference by religious law that Paul says ended with the introduction of the New Covenant.

 

[Mungo]

Then why do you call it Easter claiming it's a linguistical variant of 'Passover'? This is just more double-speak.

No it isn't.
It is related to the Passover in that Jesus was celebrating the Passover, but it is not the Jewish Passover.
The timing is also related to the timing of the Jewish Passover.

 

[Mungo]

Good grief, man. It happened to the OP!!!!

No it didn't. She would have been very welcome to attend the religious service and worship God. It was just communion she could not share.