In Christianity, Is anybody ever wrong?

[Cnkw3]

John didn’t write “me” so your point is not proven.

Hahahah. So the word “us” doesn’t include the writer? Hahahah. We have gone to the absurd now!

 

[Cnkw3]

I have to admit, you’re the first person I’ve ever met who followed a procedure and then declared themselves saved. That is new.

You haven’t read the NT or the OT for that matter. If the priest in the OT didn’t follow there duties to the letter; was God Pleased? Ask Nadab and Abihu.
Did Naaman in 1 Kgs 5 have to follow Gods instructions precisely in order to have his leprosy removed? Could he have gone to another river he liked better? Could he have sprinkled 5 times? Could he have immersed only 6 times? You obviously haven’t read the Bible if you don’t think details matter to God.
Why was God mad that Moses struck the rock? Because that isn’t what God told him to do. I could keep going on and on.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hahahah. So the word “us” doesn’t include the writer? Hahahah. We have gone to the absurd now!

No I’m not. Like I wrote, believers can, of course, pick out the verses they like and insert their name at will. It doesn’t obligate God to then apply those words to them. Or maybe when they stand before Him, He will insert their name into the verses they didn’t particularly like. Depends upon “the deeds done in the body.”

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You haven’t read the NT or the OT for that matter. If the priest in the OT didn’t follow there duties to the letter; was God Pleased? Ask Nadab and Abihu.
Did Naaman in 1 Kgs 5 have to follow Gods instructions precisely in order to have his leprosy removed? Could he have gone to another river he liked better? Could he have sprinkled 5 times? Could he have immersed only 6 times? You obviously haven’t read the Bible if you don’t think details matter to God.
Why was God mad that Moses struck the rock? Because that isn’t what God told him to do. I could keep going on and on.

For anyone else following, God requires us to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with Him. Micah 6:8. No where are we given procedures to follow to be assured of a desired result sans walking with Him.

 

[Edward]

John didn’t write “me” so your point is not proven.

He didn't have to and that's scriptural.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.../(NKJV)

That means everybody, right? Do we agree here?

Ok, now flip over to...say the 23rd Psalm...

1 The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not [a]want.
2 He makes me to lie down in [b]green pastures;
He leads me beside the [c]still waters.../(NKJV)

So if "whosoever" of one of the "world" is who God wants to save and to give a lot of promises to...then how can it be wrong for me to insert my name and say,

The Lord is Edward's Shepherd. Edward shall not want. He makes Edward to lie down in green pastures (looking forward to this!) He leads Edward beside the still waters.../ (NKJV Personalized)

Anyplace the Bible says "me" or "I" it is appropriate to be able to insert ones name right into the scripture, and this is not adding to it or taking away from it because it is all about "relationship", And I *think* that proves my point.

And you can't be goofy about it and say, you can't insert your name where it says, shall be tossed into the fire...and that's right! But look for the "I's", look for the "me's" because as with anything on earth, it must be taken with tempering of sense.

Psalm 91 is just chock full of "I's" and "Me's"!!!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

He didn't have to and that's scriptural.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.../(NKJV)

That means everybody, right? Do we agree here?

Ok, now flip over to...say the 23rd Psalm...

1 The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not [a]want.
2 He makes me to lie down in [b]green pastures;
He leads me beside the [c]still waters.../(NKJV)

So if "whosoever" of one of the "world" is who God wants to save and to give a lot of promises to...then how can it be wrong for me to insert my name and say,

The Lord is Edward's Shepherd. Edward shall not want. He makes Edward to lie down in green pastures (looking forward to this!) He leads Edward beside the still waters.../ (NKJV Personalized)

Anyplace the Bible says "me" or "I" it is appropriate to be able to insert ones name right into the scripture, and this is not adding to it or taking away from it because it is all about "relationship", And I *think* that proves my point.

And you can't be goofy about it and say, you can't insert your name where it says, shall be tossed into the fire...and that's right! But look for the "I's", look for the "me's" because as with anything on earth, it must be taken with tempering of sense.

Psalm 91 is just chock full of "I's" and "Me's"!!!

If that works for you and all scriptures become reality without fulfilling any conditions mentioned then great. For those who insert their name and claim the subsequent promises that do not seem to materialize as needed, there are real answers.

 

[Edward]

I have to admit, you’re the first person I’ve ever met who followed a procedure and then declared themselves saved. That is new.

Some of that did make me hesitate too. Not because I think He is wrong, but because I do not "know" that he is wrong for I can not see into his heart and know how God sees his heart? So, I'll leave that one alone, lol.

Think about early earth, post tower of Babel. Men spread to the ends of the earth. Centuries later, Jesus shows up and brings a gospel message to all the world, here Boys, go spread this info to all of the world! And we know from scripture that after the gospel has been preached to the entire world, Jesus will return.

So during all those centuries between Babel and Christ, the people did not have the gospel message and it started to spread from Israel from a minority group. Many peoples around the world have never heard the gospel message. Indian Tribes here in the US, African Jungle Tribes, Eskimos, lots of isolated people. (For centuries!) They born lived died having never heard the gospel message, no chance to...
Wil a merciful God not allow provision for these people? What if they were of a good heart because they were taught well by their elders. The Lord looks at the heart of men first, and to the doctrine second.

So how could you know? You can't for sure.

 

[Edward]

If that works for you and all scriptures become reality without fulfilling any conditions mentioned then great. For those who insert their name and claim the subsequent promises that do not seem to materialize as needed, there are real answers.

You would ask me what is the mind of God?! His thoughts are above my thoughts and His ways above my ways. You're being stubborn, lol. It goes for you too, nd him and everyone.

I don't have all answers, I'm just scartching the surface of having the mind of Christ! But I know this much, God will not kill the people with a good heart and bad doctrine/no doctrine. Do you think God would kill of an entire tribe of Africans (or whoever) because they dies without ever hearing the gospel?

doctrine says yes, Kill them! But after all the fun and games, God is a good God and a merciful God. And He tells you that He looks at the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Some of that did make me hesitate too. Not because I think He is wrong, but because I do not "know" that he is wrong for I can not see into his heart and know how God sees his heart? So, I'll leave that one alone, lol.

One can follow a procedure with no heart commitment at all. The Bible talks about this. Israel did this from time to time.

He also discredited receiving assurance of forgiveness by your sensing it. He preferred rules. Discernment is often discredited by people who have little. But I asked questions before taking on discerning his thinking.

Think about early earth, post tower of Babel. Men spread to the ends of the earth. Centuries later, Jesus shows up and brings a gospel message to all the world, here Boys, go spread this info to all of the world! And we know from scripture that after the gospel has been preached to the entire world, Jesus will return.

That’s actually not what the scripture says. It says the gospel will be preached to all people groups AS A TESTIMONY and then “the end will come.” Doesn’t say “and then Jesus will come.”’

So during all those centuries between Babel and Christ, the people did not have the gospel message and it started to spread from Israel from a minority group. Many peoples around the world have never heard the gospel message. Indian Tribes here in the US, African Jungle Tribes, Eskimos, lots of isolated people. (For centuries!) They born lived died having never heard the gospel message, no chance to...
Wil a merciful God not allow provision for these people? What if they were of a good heart because they were taught well by their elders. The Lord looks at the heart of men first, and to the doctrine second.

You would be surprised and delighted to hear of his witness left in countless remote groups of people. There are tribes who knew of the coming of One who would lead them back to the One true God. It’s astounding!!

So how could you know? You can't for sure.

You would be surprised at what we can know.

 

[Edward]

The doctrine was made for man. Not man for the doctrine. Man for God. ;)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You would ask me what is the mind of God?! His thoughts are above my thoughts and His ways above my ways. You're being stubborn, lol. It goes for you too, nd him and everyone.

Sorry but I’m not the stubborn one. Jeremiah said “let him who boasts boast in this, that he UNDERSTANDS and KNOWS Me.” Jesus said, “ This is eternal life, that they KNOW YOU.” Knowing the mind of God is possible. The Bible says so and Moses and Abraham knew the ways (mind) of God. You can believe this and seek it or deny it and remain not understanding.

I don't have all answers, I'm just scartching the surface of having the mind of Christ! But I know this much, God will not kill the people with a good heart and bad doctrine/no doctrine. Do you think God would kill of an entire tribe of Africans (or whoever) because they dies without ever hearing the gospel?

I am not so young and have come to see that few people have good hearts. They tell themselves they do but those who suffer under their decisions see the truth more clearly.

God is just. No one condemned will be so treated unjustly. I have no fear of this.

doctrine says yes, Kill them! But after all the fun and games, God is a good God and a merciful God. And He tells you that He looks at the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7

Who says “kill them?” He sees hearts better than we do.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The doctrine was made for man. Not man for the doctrine. Man for God. ;)

Actually God prefers relationship not following procedures.

 

[Edward]

One can follow a procedure with no heart commitment at all. The Bible talks about this. Israel did this from time to time.

He also discredited receiving assurance of forgiveness by your sending it. He preferred rules. Discernment is often discredited by people who have little. But I asked questions before taking on discerning his thinking.

And one can have a good heart (accidently of course!) without procedure.

I don't agree with everything he says, he has a few things wrong. But I've heard him speak truth too. So what's that make him? Member of the club, a seeker. A believer. I can't always see my mistakes, I find out later, lol. I can see some of others mistakes, because I have been on the place on the path at somepoint. But other things, one has to wonder if it could be true and maybe that was just up around the next bend on the path for me? Cuz there is lots that none of us know! So we're all really on a level playing field. But! strive towards unity of Spirit. I like this guy. He's not a brick wall.

Boy oh boy. Why did Jesus decide to come pick out the most untrained inept army He could find?! (Us! Lol)
I know, He's making some typr of divine point but it still feels weird. Faith, Faith! Brings us back there. Again.. Faith and obedience.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

And one can have a good heart (accidently of course!) without procedure.

A good heart is actually rare, very rare. Now and again is the a few can manage.

I don't agree with everything he says, he has a few things wrong. But I've heard him speak truth too. So what's that make him? Member of the club, a seeker. A believer. I can't always see my mistakes, I find out later, lol. I can see some of others mistakes, because I have been on the place on the path at somepoint. But other things, one has to wonder if it could be true and maybe that was just up around the next bend on the path for me? Cuz there is lots that none of us know! So we're all really on a level playing field. But! strive towards unity of Spirit. I like this guy. He's not a brick wall.

I agree with acknowledging truth when spoken even if…..an acknowledged atheist says it.

Boy oh boy. Why did Jesus decide to come pick out the most untrained inept army He could find?! (Us! Lol)

Well, he calls everyone. Not every one volunteers.

I know, He's making some typr of divine point but it still feels weird. Faith, Faith! Brings us back there. Again.. Faith and obedience.

Ok but I don’t have a problem understanding why He does what He does. He’s very consistent.

 

[Edward]

Sorry but I’m not the stubborn one. Jeremiah said “let him who boasts boast in this, that he UNDERSTANDS and KNOWS Me.” Jesus said, “ This is eternal life, that they KNOW YOU.” Knowing the mind of God is possible. The Bible says so and Moses and Abraham knew the ways (mind) of God. You can believe this and seek it or deny it and remain not understanding.

I already addressed this by accident, lol. I already said Who am I? I am merely scratching the surface of knowing God. I boast not in my understanding but in my disability, lol. I am nobody. I know very little and I must decrease. He must increase.

Actually God prefers relationship not following procedures.

Ok. Exactly! That's what I've been saying. So it makes me wonder how many visitations from the Lord, did...the Native Americans of the USA receive? See now, the Indians didn't have a KJV Bible for a long time and didn't know what His name was. So they called Him the Great Spirit. And the Grat Spirit (Yeshua!) would have taught them to have a good heart. That's just Yeshua in "save them" mode. Teach them mode. I will never leaev you or forsake you. Those people could not be forsaken. That much, I do know about God.

And I guess my point is that I think you have told this Brother he is wrong prematurely a couple times. By speaking on things which you feel great conviction for, but can not ultimimately be able to say it was absolutely wrong because only God knows each heart. That's all.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Haha. This is a good one..
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:23
You might not add your name there but I can promise you one day….God will add peoples name there.
And who will it be….
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:22
Who will it be? All the people that ‘FELT” like they were saved. They did a bunch of stuff they thought was right but in the end their feelings will lead to damnation.
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs 14:12
What does “seemeth“ mean? It means you ”felt” like you were right. But God says….That way leads to death.
Do you still want to argue for ”feelings” and “experience” as a way to confirm salvation? Good luck with that!

I suppose the idea of discernment doesn’t occur to you. That you only recognize the letter of the rules or feelings, that’s it? You know, Jesus said that salvation had come to a man who hadn’t followed the procedure you lay out.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I already addressed this by accident, lol. I already said Who am I? I am merely scratching the surface of knowing God. I boast not in my understanding but in my disability, lol. I am nobody. I know very little and I must decrease. He must increase.

The question is if you want to stay there.

Ok. Exactly! That's what I've been saying. So it makes me wonder how many visitations from the Lord, did...the Native Americans of the USA receive?

Never. He left a testimony of himself within the culture. Visiting them is a Mormon heresy.

See now, the Indians didn't have a KJV Bible for a long time and didn't know what His name was. So they called Him the Great Spirit. And the Grat Spirit (Yeshua!) would have taught them to have a good heart. That's just Yeshua in "save them" mode. Teach them mode. I will never leaev you or forsake you. Those people could not be forsaken. That much, I do know about God.

Yes, that’s what I mean.

And I guess my point is that I think you have told this Brother he is wrong prematurely a couple times.

I didn’t say he is wrong. That is forbidden. I asked questions.

By speaking on things which you feel great conviction for, but can not ultimimately be able to say it was absolutely wrong because only God knows each heart. That's all.

That’s not the reason I challenged him. Jesus said to judge a tree by its fruit. He never said you can never know what kind a tree is. There are also good examples of the apostles doing exactly that, judging others. They were right.

 

[Edward]

Ok but I don’t have a problem understanding why He does what He does. He’s very consistent.

Yeah he's pretty stubborn just like you. Just like me.

I agree with acknowledging truth when spoken even if…..an acknowledged atheist says it.

What, this guy says he's an atheist? Did I miss that? He doesn't sound like an atheist to me. Sounds like he's trying to figure this stuff out. So he's wrong about some things, he still don't have ab bad attitude like our other resident Ahtheist which I butt heads with so regularly.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yeah he's pretty stubborn just like you. Just like me.

I’d be careful of accusing God of a moral failing.

What, this guy says he's an atheist? Did I miss that?

No, the atheist you object me acknowledging when he’s right.

He doesn't sound like an atheist to me. Sounds like he's trying to figure this stuff out. So he's wrong about some things, he still don't have ab bad attitude like our other resident Ahtheist which I butt heads with so regularly.

I don’t think he’s trying to
figure stuff out, but let’s move on.

 

[Edward]

The question is if you want to stay there.

Are you boasting now? (Lol)

You seem to have me surrounded and I know I can't win this argument discussion, so I'ma bow out before I upset you. I shore doan' wanna do that!

What an adventure your husband must of had/have (?)!!
Now of course I am just kidding and I like boy/girl jokes so am speaking ever so light hearted, ok?