Infant Immersion

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jerry63935 said:
not doug.. personally i see it referring to the washing and regeneration of the word Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, the word is spiritual sharper than a two edged sword .

i dont ask any one to jump on my bandwagon in agreement .
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I know that some believe this...personally I don't understand it.
I always believed it meant natural child birth because Nicodemus asks Jesus how
it could be possible for someone to go back into the mother's womb.

Some believe it means baptism.
I'm not sure what the washing of the word means.
 
wondering said:
I always believed it meant natural child birth because Nicodemus asks Jesus how
it could be possible for someone to go back into the mother's womb.
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i have heard it taught that way and it could very well be that way. so i will add it as option 2 .if you ever read matthew henry commentary he gives about 3 or 4 paragraphs of comments on a verse
 
jerry63935 said:
i have heard it taught that way and it could very well be that way. so i will add it as option 2 .if you ever read matthew henry commentary he gives about 3 or 4 paragraphs of comments on a verse
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I'll read through it.
As to the washing of the word...I'm not familiar with the concept so I really have no comment.
Maybe you could start a thread on it?
 
Ernest T. Bass said:
In the context, Christ's disciples were arguing over which one would be the greatest in the kingdom. An argument due to arrogance and pride. Jesus brings a child before them and tells them "except ye turn" ...meaning they would have to repent of this attitude to have a place in the kingdom. Then Jesus explains that they would have to take on certain traits that children have to enter the kingdom. Those disciples would have to become "like" children.
These disciples would have to repent/change of their wrong in their arguing and become "like" children in humility. Therefore when Jesus speaks of "these little that believe in Me" He is not referring to children age wise but refers to those disciples that have a child like faith, those that have humility in their heart. Those with humility will repent.

Even John Gill says of Mt 18:6"
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones,.... Not in age, but are little and mean in their own eyes, and contemptible in the esteem of the world; though otherwise men of great grace, gifts, and usefulness; who may be said to be offended, when they are not received; their persons despised, their ministry rejected, and they reproached and persecuted; and everything done to them to discourage, and cause them to stumble and fall, to drop their profession of Christ, to quit his service, and desert his cause: and that such persons are designed, appears by the following descriptive character of them,

which believe in me; which cannot be said of infants, or little ones in age, and who also are not capable of offence; but must be understood of adult persons, of such who by faith look unto, lay hold on, and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, as their Saviour and Redeemer, and who make a profession of their faith in him; and chiefly of such who preach the doctrine of faith, who having believed, therefore speak; and who are generally the butt of the contempt, reproach, and persecution of men."

Albert Barnes on Mt 18:6 "These little ones - That is, Christians manifesting the spirit of little children, 1 John 2:1, 1 John 2:12, 1 John 2:18, 1 John 2:28."

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No child that was brought to Jesus did Jesus say those children have sin and commanded those children be baptize. No examples of disciples baptizing children. Jesus simple used various traits possessed by children and said His disciples should possess those same traits.
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What was important about why I referenced Matthew 18 is that Jesus said the little children believed in Him.
 
Ernest T. Bass said:
The Bible requires one have to faith prior to being baptized. No one, infants or adults, can be scripturally water baptized while in unbelief. Infants do not have any sin nor are they capable of having faith nor does God "gift" faith to infants or anyone else in the sense one can only have faith if God gives it to him.
Such an idea makes God culpable for the faithless. Romans 10:17 faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. Faith is something one develops "in the heart"(Romans 10:9).

I did not see anything in the link that Biblically proves infants should be baptized.
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Nor have I ever found any Scripture that specifically proves one must be an adult before being baptized. This debate has been going on since the reformation however, infant baptism was adopted long before.
 
WIP said:
Nor have I ever found any Scripture that specifically proves one must be an adult before being baptized.
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i baptized a 7 year old that fully understood or least should i say seems to me to understand everything i explained . imo a child will accept salvation quicker than a adult. adults has to analyze every thing. a child will take it at face value
 
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jerry63935 said:
i baptized a 7 year old that fully understood or least should i say seems to me to understand everything i explained . imo a child will accept salvation quicker than a adult. adults has to analyze every thing. a child will take it at face value
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This is what I believe Jesus was speaking of in Matthew 18. Faith like that of a little child. We don't need to understand our faith to have faith. Our children have faith in us and trust us for everything and I believe we should have that same kind of faith with God.
 
WIP said:
This is what I believe Jesus was speaking of in Matthew 18. Faith like that of a little child. We don't need to understand our faith to have faith. Our children have faith in us and trust us for everything and I believe we should have that same kind of faith with God.
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i agree all the way with you.
 
When did Constantine get Baptized?

The answer astounded me. As did the reasoning.

At one point people fasted and prayed for 3 days before they could be baptized.

Who asks who in scripture? I don't see Peter, Paul, or Phillip demanding Baptism from anyone. I do see strongly suggested by Peter of those who seen the miracle at the Temple on Pentacost.
I see Cornelius' whole house getting Baptized because the Jews couldn't keep it from them.

I see Paul's Baptism...who asked who? Who was greater and who was lesser? Public or private?

The Etheiopian and Phillip....who asked who? WHY?

These are the scripture references we have.
Obviously something shifted between the beliefs the Apostles had and Constantine held 200+ years later.
And their concerns were huge...
So...
Maybe the practice is still performed but really lost in function.
Just saying...
 
WIP said:
Nor have I ever found any Scripture that specifically proves one must be an adult before being baptized. This debate has been going on since the reformation however, infant baptism was adopted long before.
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--I supplied ample verses that require one must have faith before one can repent, confess or be baptized.

--it was claimed Mk 16:16a does not give order but no proof was given. Jn 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." Will it be argued one can believe what he has never heard? Rom 10:14
Matt 7:24 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:" Can one do sayings he has never heard?

--baptism is for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38) infants have no sin therefore are not candidates for baptism.
 
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