Inherint contradictions teaching Faith Alone

[JLB]

Faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation is found in scripture. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..). Faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. You just don't understand.

Maybe if you actually posted a scripture then we could examine your scripture to see what you are referring to.

 

[mailmandan]

Maybe if you actually posted a scripture then we could examine your scripture to see what you are referring to.

I already have. You just don't understand.

 

[JLB]

You continue to misinterpret what Paul meant by "partakers" with them.

I posted the verse in Ephesians 5:6-7

How does that misrepresent?

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

Therefore do not be partakers with them.

What was Paul warning them not to be partakers of, if not the wrath of God?

 

[mailmandan]

I posted the verse in Ephesians 5:6-7

How does that misrepresent?

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

Therefore do not be partakers with them.

What was Paul warning them not to be partakers of, if not the wrath of God?

I already explained this to you multiple times.

 

[JLB]

I already explained this to you multiple times.

You explained nothing.

You simply denied what the scripture so plainly says.

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

Paul plainly and clearly did not want these Christians in Ephesus to partake of the wrath of God with them.

Just exactly what he warned the Galatians in saying they would not inherit the kingdom of God if they practiced the works of the flesh.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21

• those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul plainly says for them to walk in the Spirit so that they don’t practice the works of the flesh.

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:16-17


And the Romans

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1

Very plain and simple.

Can’t be twisted.

 

[mailmandan]

You explained nothing.

You simply denied what the scripture so plainly says.

You just don't have ears to hear.

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

Paul plainly and clearly did not want these Christians in Ephesus to partake of the wrath of God with them.

False. Paul did not want these Christians in Ephesus to associate with them, have anything to do with them, do not participate in the things these people do.

Just exactly what he warned the Galatians in saying they would not inherit the kingdom of God if they practiced the works of the flesh.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21

• those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul said those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. John said no one who is born of God practices sin.. (1 John 3:9) Which does not mean we can never sin at all. (1 John 1:8) Practicing such things is 'descriptive' of the unrighteous (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) and not the righteous. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

Paul plainly says for them to walk in the Spirit so that they don’t practice the works of the flesh.

Occasionally stumbling is one thing and practicing is another. You "added" the word practice to Galatians 5:16. I cannot find one translation that says practice. By walking in the Spirit, we will not carry out the desires of the flesh. How do you define walking in the Spirit? Sinless perfection? Or not practicing the works of the flesh even though one may occasionally stumble?

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:16-17

Yes, fulfill/gratify/carry out. Not practice. So, the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak?

And the Romans

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1

Very plain and simple.

Can’t be twisted.

How do you define walk according to the flesh? Practice sin or even if you ever sin at all? How do you define walk according to the Spirit? Sinless perfection or do not practice sin? Your doctrine is anything but plain and simple, and you have already twisted other scripture. I'm curious to see by your answers to my questions if you have done the same here.

Romans 8:5 - For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. (THAT IS AN IMPORTANT BUT) Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Praise God!

 

[JLB]

You just don't have ears to hear.

That’s a lie.

 

[mailmandan]

That’s a lie.

You explained nothing.

You simply denied what the scripture so plainly says.

This was the lie.

 

[JLB]

Paul did not want these Christians in Ephesus to associate with them, have anything to do with them, do not participate in the things these people do.

Paul absolutely didn’t want Christians to participate in the works of the flesh that the sons of disobedience were practicing because they would be partakers in the wrath of God with them.


Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

• for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.

Obviously the subject of what Paul is not wanting them to partake of is the wrath of God coming upon them.


Those who practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

Paul warns us that to avoid walking according to the flesh, we must walk in the Spirit.

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:16-17

• so that you do not do the things that you wish.

Paul teaches us we must learn to sow to the Spirit, and form godly habits Spirit led habits in our daily lives.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

If we spend our time in worldly pleasures and carnal thinking then we will reap corruption; eternal damnation

• For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,

• but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

If we invest ourselves towards the things of the Spirit, such as prayer, private devotion, reading the scriptures and meditating on the word of God, thus setting our minds on things above and things that are pure, seeking to be led by the Spirit, being filled with the Spirit, taking up our cross daily and following Jesus and the life He has called us to live, then we will reap everlasting life.

Read it again

• but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

Why do you believe God has given you a divine nature?

To live a life just like the those who don’t have one?

How does that even make sense?

Look at what Peter says -

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
2 Peter 1:5-9

• For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[JLB]

Paul said those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. John said no one who is born of God practices sin.. (1 John 3:9) Which does not mean we can never sin at all. (1 John 1:8) Practicing such things is 'descriptive' of the unrighteous (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) and not the righteous. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

Yes Paul warned us to to partake of the wrath of God along with the unrighteous.

 

[mailmandan]

Yes Paul warned us to to partake of the wrath of God along with the unrighteous.

That's your eisegesis.

 

[JLB]

How do you define walk according to the flesh?

Led by the desires of the flesh rather than being led by the Spirit.

Here is what the flesh desires -

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[JLB]

That's your eisegesis.

That is actually what the scripture plainly says.

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Ephesians 5:6-7 NKJV

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Ephesians 5:6-7 KJV


Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them; Ephesians 5:6-7 NASB


What is it that Paul is warning these Christians not to be partakers of, along with the sons of disobedience?

The wrath of God.

God does not want us to be partakers, participators, or partners in the wrath of God, with the sons of disobedience.

 

[mailmandan]

Paul absolutely didn’t want Christians to participate in the works of the flesh that the sons of disobedience were practicing because they would be partakers in the wrath of God with them.


Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

• for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.

Obviously the subject of what Paul is not wanting them to partake of is the wrath of God coming upon them.


Those who practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

Paul warns us that to avoid walking according to the flesh, we must walk in the Spirit.

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:16-17

• so that you do not do the things that you wish.

Paul teaches us we must learn to sow to the Spirit, and form godly habits Spirit led habits in our daily lives.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

If we spend our time in worldly pleasures and carnal thinking then we will reap corruption; eternal damnation

• For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,
• but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

If we invest ourselves towards the things of the Spirit, such as prayer, private devotion, reading the scriptures and meditating on the word of God, thus setting our minds on things above and things that are pure, seeking to be led by the Spirit, being filled with the Spirit, taking up our cross daily and following Jesus and the life He has called us to live, then we will reap everlasting life.

Read it again

• but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

Why do you believe God has given you a divine nature?

To live a life just like the those who don’t have one?

How does that even make sense?

Look at what Peter says -

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
2 Peter 1:5-9

• For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

You did not answer my questions and you remain obsessed with maintaining salvation by works and loss of salvation. Again, how do you define walking in the flesh and walking in the Spirit?

In regard to Galatians 6:7-8, the one who is continuously (Greek present tense) sowing to his own corrupt flesh, which is opposed to God and unrenewed by the Holy Spirit shall of the flesh reap corruption. Our life here is sowing of one kind or another. But he who sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap everlasting life. See the contrast?

Be sure to go back and read Romans 8:5-11.

 

[JLB]

You did not answer my questions and you remain obsessed with maintaining salvation by works and loss of salvation.

Salvation is for those who obey, not those who disobey.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9


The Spirit leads us and empowers us in the way of righteousness.

 

[JLB]

Again, how do you define walking in the flesh and walking in the Spirit?

I answered this.

 

[mailmandan]

Salvation is for those who obey, not those who disobey.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9

The Spirit leads us and empowers us in the way of righteousness.

None of us have flawlessly obeyed Him 100% of the time, so sinless perfection is out. (1 John 1:8-10) Yet, only believers have obeyed Him unto salvation (Romans 10:16; 1:16) and obey Him after salvation from a regenerate heart. (1 Peter 1:23; 1 John 2:3-4; 3:7-10) In either sense ONLY believers obey Him. Without faith, it's impossible to please God, so unbelievers/nominal Christians do not obey Him in either sense.

 

[JLB]

In regard to Galatians 6:7-8, the one who is continuously (Greek present tense) sowing to his own corrupt flesh, which is opposed to God and unrenewed by the Holy Spirit shall of the flesh reap corruption. Our life here is sowing of one kind or another. But he who sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap everlasting life. See the contrast?

For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
Galatians 6:8

• he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption
• he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:5


It’s only in deliberately doing the things, the daily habits, the Spirit desires for us to do, that we will crucify the deeds of the flesh.


Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:12-14

Here are the two different lifestyle’s that born again Christians must choose to walk in -

• For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

We as Christians must choose to disconnect from the world, and the things of the world, and thereby choose to live our lives according to what the Spirit of God within us desires for us to live.

To invest (sow) our time and our lives toward the things of the Spirit.

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. Romans 6:12-13

• do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin,
• but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Do not allow your eyes to look at things that are unrighteous;
the things of this world and culture.

Do not allow your ears to listen to the things of this world.


Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

• Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Christians can actually MAKE THEMSELVES an enemy of God.


Did you know that?

 

[mailmandan]

I answered this.


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You did not answer my questions directly and this above is 'descriptive' of the unrighteous/children of the devil. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 1 John 3:7-10)

 

[JLB]

None of us have flawlessly obeyed Him 100% of the time

Amen.


The question is…

If you should sin, do you confess your sins so that you will be forgiven?

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9