Inherint contradictions teaching Faith Alone

[Randy]

No sir. You are still on your PET idea of sinlessness of the believer.

Romans 3:23 puts an end to that idea where God said...."ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Then just to make it clear for those who want to argue God said in 1 John 1:8........
"“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”

Now, with all due respect to you, and in Christian love, I refuse to discuss this topic with you.

I will not waste my time talking about something that is so clear that any child would comprehend it.

May the Lord bless you Randy.......see ya.

Yes, all have sinned and need to come to Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. But there should be a change shown for those born of God as JOHN wrote. Those that continue to sin after coming to the knowledge of the truth should expect judgement not salvation. Those who claim to know Him/Christ but live in darkness are liars.

All who sin are slaves to sin UNLESS the Son sets them free. No slave has a permanent place in a family.

Your sins are not covered in Christ they are removed. In Him is NO sin.

And we are sanctified by our faith in Christ.

Bye.

 

[Free]

Yes, all have sinned and need to come to Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. But there should be a change shown for those born of God as JOHN wrote. Those that continue to sin after coming to the knowledge of the truth should expect judgement not salvation. Those who claim to know Him/Christ but live in darkness are liars.

All who sin are slaves to sin UNLESS the Son sets them free. No slave has a permanent place in a family.

Your sins are not covered in Christ they are removed. In Him is NO sin.

Bye.

Believers still struggle with sin and need to continually confess their sins to God for his forgiveness. But, this conversation is for another thread, of which there are several.

 

[JLB]

I am not sure, but I do not think that I have come across anyone who goes out of his way to twist and manipulate Scriptures to make them fit his agenda as you do.

Could you be more specific?

Could you show me in my post where specifically I twisted and manipulated the scripture?

Who is your lord before you are saved, and in the kingdom of Satan?

Satan or Jesus?

 

[JLB]

And, as I have stated several times myself in the more recent pages, the OP set up a straw man definition of faith alone

Could you post what you mean from the OP and explain to us why you believe it’s a “strawman”?

 

[Free]

Could you post what you mean from the OP and explain to us why you believe it’s a “strawman”?

I have done so numerous times, in various ways. This is the reason this thread is needlessly 72 pages long: there is either an unwillingness to actually read what those who hold to "faith alone" are posting or an unwillingness or inability to think critically about what was posted. The straw man presented in the OP has been done away with numerous times, yet it continues to be presented.

That salvation is received by faith alone and not works is central to the gospel. There are two choices--we receive salvation by faith alone, or we need to do works to merit salvation. Every Christian who does not believe that salvation is received by faith alone can only believe in salvation by works, which, as Paul says, means they are to be considered accursed (Gal. 1:6-10).

 

[JLB]

Every Christian who does not believe that salvation is received by faith alone can only believe in salvation by works, which, as Paul says, means they are to be considered accursed (Gal. 1:6-10).

No one is saved by good works.
No one is saved by the works of the law.
No one is saved by work that earns salvation.

At the same time no one is saved by disobedience.

Only those who obey the gospel are saved.

This is called the obedience of faith.

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26

For you to keep misrepresenting me by saying I’m teaching a salvation of works is nothing but trolling.

 

[Free]

No one is saved by good works.
No one is saved by the works of the law.
No one is saved by work that earns salvation.

So, if salvation isn't earned by works, then it's almost like a person could say that we receive salvation by faith alone, correct?

At the same time no one is saved by disobedience.

Only those who obey the gospel are saved.

This is called the obedience of faith.

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26

For you to keep misrepresenting me by saying I’m teaching a salvation of works is nothing but trolling.

"Obedience of faith" means obedience that characterizes and comes from faith. Faith comes first, then obedience.

 

[Rodger]

Could you be more specific?

Could you show me in my post where specifically I twisted and manipulated the scripture?

Who is your lord before you are saved, and in the kingdom of Satan?

Satan or Jesus?

Nope!

My time is more important to me than recalling what you have posted. If you want to know, "You" go back and read your posts.

As I said.....I am done!

 

[Rodger]

Yes, all have sinned and need to come to Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. But there should be a change shown for those born of God as JOHN wrote. Those that continue to sin after coming to the knowledge of the truth should expect judgement not salvation. Those who claim to know Him/Christ but live in darkness are liars.

All who sin are slaves to sin UNLESS the Son sets them free. No slave has a permanent place in a family.

Your sins are not covered in Christ they are removed. In Him is NO sin.

And we are sanctified by our faith in Christ.

Bye.

You are trying to hi-jack another thread for your personal PET theology which is not Biblical.

Start another thread for your misunderstood thinking.

 

[Rodger]

And, as I have stated several times myself in the more recent pages, the OP set up a straw man definition of faith alone, but that is the definition you are also using. Having explained it numerous times in this thread, including just above when you asked for another explanation, why is it that you keep bringing up the straw man?

The central issue is this: our works do not save us. Period. That is what "faith alone" is referring to. Not a single proponent of faith alone in this thread actually believes that Christians never need to do works.


I was clearly referencing your posting of the definition of faith in response to my definition of repent. I asked what your post had to do with mine. Following the conversation isn't that difficult--just click the username in the quote and go back until you see where I asked the question.

Amen!

 

[tdidymas]

Sir,
Let me assure you that I mean what I say and say what I mean.
If you don't agree, that's fine with me.
You are most definitly entitled to your opinion.
Be it right or be it wrong.

And I don't CLAIM to know what Jesus taught.
We can know what Jesus taught by reading the words He stated in the NT.

If you feel you cannot understand them,,,I'm sorry for you.


Actually,,,,as I've stated I DO mean what I say.
YES sir...
The NT teaches that salvation is offered to every person that has ever lived and they can
either choose to accept God or to reject Him.


As with all Calvinists, you do not have a proper understanding of what SOVEREIGNTY means.
Some theological study would do you good....
Stop with systematic theology,,,
read the bible,,,,
and match everything you read in the bible so that there are no contradictions...
which Calvinism does create, BTW.

You're amusing T.

No rebuttal T.
I don't have the time.
Sorry.

Keep on worrying about Judas....
this will surely help in your salvation.

All you're doing is arguing, so I'm done here.

 

[tdidymas]

So do you believe if a Christian, a follower of Christ is faithful to follow Jesus Christ for three years, then is promoted to an apostle in which that person preaches the Gospel to the lost, heals the sick, cleanses the lepers, raises the dead, and commits one sin, that person is now a bad tree bringing forth bad fruit?

Judas just like Peter who denied Jesus Christ three times, ran and hid and abandoned Jesus Christ, both sinned in what they did.

Peter returned and was restored.

Judas did not return and therefore was not restored.

That’s the point.

The only sin that won’t be forgiven is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Calling the Holy Spirit a demon.

“Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— because they said, “He has an unclean spirit. Mark 3:28-30


Did Judas call the Holy Spirit a demon?

Straw man. No, you're wrong about Judas being saved. In fact, there are many in the pulpits who claim to be Christian and call Jesus "Lord" that will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. But in fact, it is clear that Judas was not saved by the fact that he pilfered from the treasury, showing he continued in sin, of which 1 John clearly says whoever continues in sin is of the devil.

Your opinion just doesn't cut the mustard for Biblical truth, so I think I'm done here.

 

[JLB]

So, if salvation isn't earned by works, then it's almost like a person could say that we receive salvation by faith alone, correct?

No sir.

1. Grace through faith.
2. Faith by itself is dead.

When we hear the gospel we now have faith.

When we obey the gospel we are saved.

When we hear the gospel and do not obey it, the faith that we received when we heard it remains dormant, dead, inactive, because it’s incomplete.


Just as a body without a spirit is dead, so faith without the “work” of obedience is dead.

Obeying the gospel means confessing Jesus as LORD.

Does confessing Jesus as LORD seem like good works, or the works of the law, or work that earns salvation?

Confessing Jesus as LORD is how we obey the gospel.

Confessing Jesus as LORD is how we operate in the principle of the obedience of faith.

 

[JLB]

Straw man. No, you're wrong about Judas being saved. In fact, there are many in the pulpits who claim to be Christian and call Jesus "Lord" that will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. But in fact, it is clear that Judas was not saved by the fact that he pilfered from the treasury, showing he continued in sin, of which 1 John clearly says whoever continues in sin is of the devil.

Your opinion just doesn't cut the mustard for Biblical truth, so I think I'm done here.

Ok. By by now.

 

[JLB]

Nope!

My time is more important to me than recalling what you have posted. If you want to know, "You" go back and read your posts.

As I said.....I am done!

Please. Could this please be the last time you are done?

 

[Free]

No sir.

1. Grace through faith.
2. Faith by itself is dead.

When we hear the gospel we now have faith.

When we obey the gospel we are saved.

When we hear the gospel and do not obey it, the faith that we received when we heard it remains dormant, dead, inactive, because it’s incomplete.


Just as a body without a spirit is dead, so faith without the “work” of obedience is dead.

Obeying the gospel means confessing Jesus as LORD.

Does confessing Jesus as LORD seem like good works, or the works of the law, or work that earns salvation?

Confessing Jesus as LORD is how we obey the gospel.

Confessing Jesus as LORD is how we operate in the principle of the obedience of faith.

It’s certainly clear that you’re intent on trotting out the straw man and have no intent on learning.

With that, this thread is done.