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Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

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If you can't show a POV in scripture, the POV is yours alone.
I did show it but your in denial.
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” e 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
 
John 6:40

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day"

Now what it doesn't say? It doesn't say: the will of the father is that everyone who looks to the son and believes in him and is water baptized should have eternal life.

Even though we have seen the connection between accepting a teaching and water baptism...

While water baptism could be used as a place where God delivered, if people had faith in God.
God could use any act of faith to save.

The woman believed if she could just touch the Hem of His garment. Was the power in the garment?

Walk around the wall of Jerricho...

Look on the serpant

It's faith that makes people whole

Sense the kingdom is not eating or drinking but righteousness, peace and Joy in the Holyghost"

Then one should evaluate themselves to see if they are in the faith. It says don't you know that Christ is in you otherwise you be reprobates...don't quote me going off my head.
 
I did show it but your in denial.
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” e 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
That "calling in the Lord" is done at baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)
 
That "calling in the Lord" is done at baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)
Right there in scripture....And wash away your sins....How? Calling on the name of the Lord.
 
Right there in scripture....And wash away your sins....How? Calling on the name of the Lord.
How can you so easily dismiss the rest of the sentence ?
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)

Why weren't Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch reasoning like you ?
It is written..."And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?" (Acts 8:36)
 
How can you so easily dismiss the rest of the sentence ?
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)

Why weren't Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch reasoning like you ?
It is written..."And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?" (Acts 8:36)
Baptism as we saw earlier by the poet can mean to Identify with. ........How I interpret... 😃

Look man what God has done for you, after taking part in persecuting God's people.

So what you waiting for as you were committed before and over zealous- make your claim to the world through Identification with Christ. And no fear for remember the scriptures
Psalms 91:15 says, "He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him

So you know what to do Call upon Him
 
Baptism as we saw earlier by the poet can mean to Identify with. ........How I interpret...
What poet are you referring to ?
Look man what God has done for you, after taking part in persecuting God's people.
Huh ?
So what you waiting for as you were committed before and over zealous- make your claim to the world through Identification with Christ. And no fear for remember the scriptures
Psalms 91:15 says, "He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him
So you know what to do Call upon Him
Are you replying to my post ?
 
I know the chicken came first. (Gen 1:21)
And I know what many will miss out on if they don't get water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
Then why was Simon the sorcorer not saved? Why was his past sins not remitted? Because he didn't repent? Here we go again, round and round in the circular debate.
 
Then why was Simon the sorcorer not saved? Why was his past sins not remitted? Because he didn't repent? Here we go again, round and round in the circular debate.
Simon didn't receive the gift of the Holy Ghost because he didn't repent of sin.
God won't hear the unrepentant's request for the gift of the Holy Ghost. (John 9:31)
Repent, get baptized, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
 
Simon didn't receive the gift of the Holy Ghost because he didn't repent of sin.
God won't hear the unrepentant's request for the gift of the Holy Ghost. (John 9:31)
Repent, get baptized, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
Then you've added work onto faith, and effectively created a human tradition required for salvation. if Acts 2:38 is the universal formula, then why is infant baptism useless? You don't believe in original sin, so babies supposedly have no sin to repent, their temples are pristine, they get baptized and they should automatically and immediately receive the Holy Spirit, right?
 
That "calling in the Lord" is done at baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)
So, if one doesn't believe in their heart prior to that baptism and gets baptized for appearance's sake for false motives are they saved? If your answer is no then one must be saved by FAITH and one is condemned because they didn't believe not because they weren't baptized.
 
How can you so easily dismiss the rest of the sentence ?
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)

Why weren't Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch reasoning like you ?
It is written..."And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?" (Acts 8:36)
I think its been agreed that water Baptism was done.
But water baptism is not the only type of Baptism

And look what washes away sins in this passage, calling upon the name of the lord.

Which can coinside with what is said in this passage:

For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who [b]preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
 
Then you've added work onto faith, and effectively created a human tradition required for salvation.
If the Lord, or His apostles, command me to do anything for salvation, I will do it.
I have been commanded to turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)
Having obeyed Peter...who was obeying Jesus, I was given the gift of the Holy Ghost.
if Acts 2:38 is the universal formula, then why is infant baptism useless?
Babies have no need of repentance from sin.
If they die, they will be raised to eternal life.
You don't believe in original sin, so babies supposedly have no sin to repent, their temples are pristine, they get baptized and they should automatically and immediately receive the Holy Spirit, right?
Why clean a clean baby ?
 
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So, if one doesn't believe in their heart prior to that baptism and gets baptized for appearance's sake for false motives are they saved?
No.
If your answer is no then one must be saved by FAITH and one is condemned because they didn't believe not because they weren't baptized.
If they had faith, they would turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins.
Who is it that has real faith, but doesn't believe all of what the bible says?
 
I think its been agreed that water Baptism was done.
But water baptism is not the only type of Baptism

And look what washes away sins in this passage, calling upon the name of the lord.

Which can coinside with what is said in this passage:

For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, (a)“The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”
This passage distinguishes between the righteousness which is by the law
(a) The man who does those things shall live by them
vs.

the righteousness that is by faith
(b)For with the heart one believes unto righteousness,





(that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 (b)that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10(b) For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. ROMANS​


14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who [b]preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
 
I think its been agreed that water Baptism was done.
But water baptism is not the only type of Baptism
Of course not, as Heb 6 mentions the doctrine of baptisms...plural.
And look what washes away sins in this passage, calling upon the name of the lord.
Baptism for the remission of past sins, without calling on the name of the Lord, is a bath.
Calling on the name of the Lord, without baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, is a waste of breath.
All the ingredients must be used in this recipe.
Which can coinside with what is said in this passage:

For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Call on Him during your water baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins.
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who [b]preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
I'll bet the Ethiopian eunuch, and Cornelius' house, and Lydia's family of Thyatira, and the Philippian jailer's family, and the many at Corinth, all rejoiced at the words being spoken to them.
And, they all got baptized !
 
No.

If they had faith, they would turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins.
Who is it that has real faith, but doesn't believe all of what the bible says?
Randy I THINK HE ANSWERED HIS OWN QUESTION. ONE CANNOT CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD UNTIL THEY HAVE FIRST BELIEVED. AND THE SCRIPTURE, " why tarry arise and be baptized... " Tells one what washed away sins.

Yet I will never say that God Couldn't have used water to do it. He can do what He wants. But none of us were there....

What I will point out for one to consider is in the scripture the location is inwardly, with the heart --that one believes onto righteousness.

The confession is made unto the inward deliverence.
 
There are some who believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation based on a handful of Scriptures.

Baptismal regeneration is the doctrine that baptism results in regeneration of the subject baptized. Usually based upon John 3:5 and Titus 3:5.

I have concluded that Baptismal Regeration is a work added to Salvation and consider it a different Gospel.

Studying these scriptures and reading commentaries shed much light for me on this subject. I turn to men of God who are fluent in the original languages and understand hermeneutics more than I ever can.

There are many different interpretations of this verse including two births (physical and spiritual), water as a symbol for Holy Spirit or the word of God. I would like to focus on what some would believe is Baptismal Regenration (born of water).

There are other Scriptures that can be addressed as well.

This should be a good start.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


John 3:5 does not teach Baptismal Regeneration. In fact, it is not even referring to baptism! In John 3, Jesus makes the statement that, “Unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God” (3:3). In response, Nicodemus asks, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” (3:4). Jesus’ answer is, “Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God” (3:5). In the context of this conversation it is more natural to understand Jesus’ use of the word “water” as a reference to physical birth rather than baptism. As every mother knows, all children are literally born “out of water.” Therefore, when Nicodemus asked, “Can a man be born a second time from his mother’s womb?” Jesus in essence conceded that a man had to be born of water, that is, physically. Yet, He went on to insist that the second birth was spiritual in nature. Thus, John 3 does not teach that water baptism is necessary for salvation. It teaches that physical birth is. In other words, a person must be born before he can be born again. John 3:6 confirms this view, saying “that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of Spirit is spirit.” That says it all.
[1]Chafer Theological Seminary. (1997; 2002). Chafer Theological Seminary Journal Volume 3



Carson has an excellent argument against this interpretation writing that "If water = baptism is so important for entering the kingdom, it is surprising that the rest of the discussion never mentions it again: the entire focus is on the work of the Spirit (v. 8), the work of the Son (vv. 14–15), the work of God himself (vv. 16–17), and the place of faith (vv. 15–16)....The Spirit plays a powerful role in John 14–16; 20:22, but there is no hint of baptism.....The entire view seems to rest on an unarticulated prejudice that every mention of water evoked instant recognition, in the minds of first-century readers, that the real reference was to baptism, but it is very doubtful that this prejudice can be sustained by the sources. Even so, this conclusion does not preclude the possibility of a secondary allusion to baptism" Borrow The Gospel according to John)

J M Boice - Unfortunately, this is not substantiated either by the text or by biblical theology. The text says nothing at all about baptism, and the Bible elsewhere teaches that no one is saved by any external rite of religion (1 Sam. 16:7; Rom. 2:28–29; Gal. 2:15, 16; 5:1–6). Baptism is a sign of what has already taken place, but it is not the agent by which it takes place.(Boice - The Gospel of John)

Kenneth Wuest - Others interpret the word “water” as referring to the rite of water baptism. But we submit that this is pure eisegesis, reading into the text something that is not there. Surely, the word “water” in itself, does not include within its meaning the idea of baptism. Furthermore, the only proper recipient of water baptism is one who has already been born again, the new-birth preceding water baptism, not the rite preceding the new birth. Again, the question arises as to how such a supernatural change as regeneration produces, could be the result of a mere ceremony.

MacArthur - Others see in the phrase born of water a reference to baptism, either that of John the Baptist, or Christian baptism. But Nicodemus would not have understood Christian baptism (which did not yet exist) nor misunderstood John the Baptist’s baptism. Nor would Jesus have refrained from baptizing people (Jn 4:2) if baptism were necessary for salvation. (See John Commentary - What Does It Mean to be Born of Water and Spirit?)
ElectedbyHIm-----

Thanks for this post. One verse that convinces me (and I believe the Holy Spirit put this in the Bible to instruct us so) that Baptism is not necessary for salvation is this one:

"(Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)" (1 Corinthians 1:16)

This verse is actually in parentheses because it is kind of an "aside" to the point he is making. Paul goes on to say that God did not send him to baptize, but to preach the Gospel. **But seriously think about 1 Cor. 1:16 above. If Baptism really is a necessary STEP to SALVATION do you think Paul would say "I don't remember if I baptized anyone else"?

Paul did not baptize many people at all. Yet, he says "I don't "remember" if I baptized anyone else". Really? If I saved (6) people from drowning do you think I would say "I rescued those six from drowning, but I don't "remember" if I rescued anyone else besides them from drowning"? Of course not! I would remember for sure those whom I saved from death! If Baptism is so IMPORTANT to SALVATION Paul would "remember" whom he baptized (as he baptized so few)---but because Paul says "I don't remember..." that tells me that Baptism is an important ordinance, but not a step to salvation---as Christians we are commanded to be Baptized. Why? To outwardly manifest what has ALREADY TAKEN PLACE INSIDE OF US. The Baptism doesn't save you----the baptism is an ordinance (or outward step) showing OTHERS that you have commited yourself to Christ.

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:16)

Please read this verse carefully. The criteria for being "damned" is "he that believes not". They are not damned because they weren't baptized.
 
ElectedbyHIm-----

Thanks for this post. One verse that convinces me (and I believe the Holy Spirit put this in the Bible to instruct us so) that Baptism is not necessary for salvation is this one:

"(Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)" (1 Corinthians 1:16)

This verse is actually in parentheses because it is kind of an "aside" to the point he is making. Paul goes on to say that God did not send him to baptize, but to preach the Gospel. **But seriously think about 1 Cor. 1:16 above. If Baptism really is a necessary STEP to SALVATION do you think Paul would say "I don't remember if I baptized anyone else"?

Paul did not baptize many people at all. Yet, he says "I don't "remember" if I baptized anyone else". Really? If I saved (6) people from drowning do you think I would say "I rescued those six from drowning, but I don't "remember" if I rescued anyone else besides them from drowning"? Of course not! I would remember for sure those whom I saved from death! If Baptism is so IMPORTANT to SALVATION Paul would "remember" whom he baptized (as he baptized so few)---but because Paul says "I don't remember..." that tells me that Baptism is an important ordinance, but not a step to salvation---as Christians we are commanded to be Baptized. Why? To outwardly manifest what has ALREADY TAKEN PLACE INSIDE OF US. The Baptism doesn't save you----the baptism is an ordinance (or outward step) showing OTHERS that you have commited yourself to Christ.

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:16)

Please read this verse carefully. The criteria for being "damned" is "he that believes not". They are not damned because they weren't baptized.
Excellent.
 
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