Is baptism required for salvation?

[donadams]

A. And; … and is baptized.


Which baptizm is the one by which we are saved?

A. The Spirit baptizes us into Christ? 1 Cor 12:13

B. A person baptizes us in water? Acts 1:5

C. Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit? Acts 1:5

(((water)))

acts 8:38-39 came up out of the water

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washedwith pure water.

 

[Johann!@#]

1Pe 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (ESV)

We must first note that Peter is talking about salvation, not cleansing one's body; that is the context. In saying "not as a removal of dirt from the body," there are at least two options of what Peter could mean. First, he could mean it in a literal, physical sense, but he is talking about salvation and dirt on one's body is irrelevant one's salvation. Or, he could mean it in a metaphorical sense for sin, and in doing so, is stating that baptism itself does not save--it doesn't actually do anything.

To further clarify, he states that it is "the resurrection of Jesus Christ" which is the basis of salvation and that which baptism symbolizes (Rom. 6:2-6). Baptism is, therefore, a sign of an inward faith, as indicated by it being "an appeal to God for a good conscience." It is a symbol of that spiritual cleansing which is accomplished through faith in Christ and his work.

I appreciate the way Robertson explains this.

Which also (ho kai). Water just mentioned.
After a true likeness (antitupon). Water in baptism now as an anti-type of Noah’s deliverance by water. For baptisma see note on Mat_3:7. For antitupon see note on Heb_9:24 (only other N.T. example) where the word is used of the earthly tabernacle corresponding (antitupa) to the heavenly, which is the pattern (tupon Heb_8:5) for the earthly. So here baptism is presented as corresponding to (prefigured by) the deliverance of Noah’s family by water. It is only a vague parallel, but not over-fanciful.

Doth now save you (humas nun sōzei). Simplex verb (sōzō, not the compound diasōzō). The saving by baptism which Peter here mentions is only symbolic (a metaphor or picture as in Rom_6:2-6), not actual as Peter hastens to explain.

Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh (ou sarkos apothesis rupou). Apothesis is old word from apotithēmi (1Pe_2:1), in N.T. only here and 2Pe_1:14. Rupou (genitive of rupos) is old word (cf. ruparos, filthy, in Jas_2:2; Rev_22:11), here only in N.T. (cf. Isa_3:3; Isa_4:4). Baptism, Peter explains, does not wash away the filth of the flesh either in a literal sense, as a bath for the body, or in a metaphorical sense of the filth of the soul. No ceremonies really affect the conscience (Heb_9:13.). Peter here expressly denies baptismal remission of sin.

But the interrogation of a good conscience toward God (alla suneidēseōs agathēs eperōtēma eis theon). Old word from eperōtaō (to question as in Mrk_9:32; Mat_16:1), here only in N.T. In ancient Greek it never means answer, but only inquiry. The inscriptions of the age of the Antonines use it of the Senate’s approval after inquiry. That may be the sense here, that is, avowal of consecration to God after inquiry, having repented and turned to God and now making this public proclamation of that fact by means of baptism (the symbol of the previous inward change of heart). Thus taken, it matters little whether eis theon (toward God) be taken with eperōtēma or suneidēseōs.

Johann

 

[donadams]

how will you let Jesus baptize you

Holy spirit (put you in the barn)

Fire that shall never be quenched (hellfire)

the choice is up to you..

don't follow you?

 

[donadams]

if your trying to be good enough, You are

Salvation is a gift. We do not earn a gift.

We produce fruit because we are saved, and in christ, not to get in

yes the gate is narrow. did you know legalistic thinking (it is faith in God plus our works) is the largest religious thinking in the world?

there is your wide gate

the narrow gate is grace through faith. and so few who believe it

you right we don't earn the initial grace we receive it in baptism, we don't save ourselves either by "faith alone"

we must participate and cooperate with grace and increase grace by good works

not saved matt 10:22 endure to the end to be saved!

Living members of Christ in His new covenant of grace by faith and baptism, then we must abide in Christ by prayer, fasting, alms, mass & sacraments, and the practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ, (matt 11:29) (1 cor 13:13) abiding in Christ (Jn 15:5) keeping ourselves in the love of God, (Jude 1:21) and enduring to the end (Matt 10:22)

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life.

rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation... (not I know thou art saved by faith alone)
rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Amen?

 

[Eternally-grateful]

acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

(((water)))

acts 8:
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

how did he know about baptism? if the apostles only taught "faith alone" and no bain the early church??

Stick to jesus words.. He said believe in him and you will have eternal life

He also said the gospel of repentance will preaching.

He saves us because we trust him, Not because do get wet.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

(((water)))

acts 8:38-39

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washedwith pure water.

The word

Washing of water by the word.

Living water 0 Jesus said ask and I will give you living water, flowing to eternal life.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

don't follow you?

John said he baptizes with water’’But jesus will baptize with the HS and fire.

Jesus will baptize you. Which would you prefer. HS baptism (romans 6 Gal 5, 1 cor 12) or baptism on the fires of hell

 

[donadams]

Again there are three baptisms.

Which one are you referring to?

If you don’t understand or know where these three baptisms are identified in scripture, just ask me and I will list them for you and anyone else.

If you believe there is only one baptism, such as water baptism them please explain how your denomination does water baptism.

one christian sacrament of baptism eph 4:5

pour out water three times upon the fore head saying I baptize you in the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

you right we don't earn the initial grace

There is no such things as initial grace or initial salvation

Grace is grace and we are either saved or we are not saved

Grace in any sense is the opposite of works

Paul said grace plus works equals works.

Grace plus anything (including baptism) equals works

 

[Eternally-grateful]

one christian sacrament of baptism eph 4:5

pour out water three times upon the fore head saying I baptize you in the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

The one baptism is the baptism of God. (Holy Spirit) not the baptism performed by a sinner who may or may not be saved himself

 

[donadams]

Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-17

• They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The apostles baptized people in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Notice also that the scripture says they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

If this was all that was needed, then why did the Apostles travel all the way to Samaria to bring something else?

• Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Does you denomination or organization practice this?

Laying hands on the people who had been baptized in water, BECAUSE they had ONLY been Baptized in water, so that the people who had ONLY been Baptized in water would receive the Holy Spirit.

describing the baptized not an instruction or formula for baptism

 

[JLB]

if we are doing it to get saved. we are not doing it because we love him, we are trying to get him to give us something

Yes sir. Of course.

However, I’m referring to a person who is already born again.

Shouldn’t Christians obey Jesus Christ as their Lord since they were saved by confessing Him as LORD.

At the end of the day, our Lord is the one we obey.

acts 8:38-39 came up out of the water

Yes full immersion. Not sprinkled.

No infants.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

Yes sir. Of course.

However, I’m referring to a person who is already born again.

Shouldn’t Christians obey Jesus Christ as their Lord since they were saved by confessing Him as LORD.

At the end of the day, our Lord is the one we obey.


Yes full immersion. Not sprinkled.

No infants.

I am amazed people question this.. As if someone who trusts someone for eternity, would not trust them for every day things,

 

[donadams]

does mark 16: 16 trump John 1, 3, 4, 5, 6?

mark 16 also does not say baptism in water. it just sayd baptized 9what baptism is not mentioned)

also mark 16 is questionable. because it is not in the earliest manuscripts. as if it was added later. which makes sense, because nothing can be confirmed

want proof. many believers have died drinking poison and getting but by snakes..

ok try these

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!
Rev 1:5 washed in His blood
Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5

Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2

Not called to “faith alone” Phil 1:29

faith being alone "faith alone" is dead! James

accepting Christ by faith alone does not make a child of God but only make it possible by baptismal regeneration! Jn 1:12-13

Holy apostolic council of Trent in union with Christ, (matt 28:19-20) decree on baptism & original sin.

3. If anyone asserts that this sin of Adam, which in its origin is one, and by propagation, not by imitation, transfused into all, which is in each one as something that is his own, is taken away either by the forces of human nature or by a remedy other than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ, 1 tim 2:5 who has reconciled us to God in his own blood, made unto us justice, sanctification and redemption;
2 cor 5:19 or if he denies that that merit of Jesus Christ is applied both to adults and to infants by the sacrament of baptism rightly administered in the form of the Church, let him be anathema; for there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved. acts 4:12

4. If anyone denies that infants, newly born from their mothers' wombs, are to be baptized, even though they be born of baptized parents, or says that they are indeed baptized for the remission of sins, but that they derive nothing of original sin from Adam which must be expiated by the laver of regeneration for the attainment of eternal life, whence it follows that in them the form of baptism for the remission of sins is to be understood not as true but as false, let him be anathema, for what the Apostle has said, by one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned, is not to be understood otherwise than as the Catholic Church has everywhere and always understood it.

For in virtue of this rule of faith handed down from the apostles, even infants who could not as yet commit any sin of themselves, are for this reason truly baptized for the remission of sins, in order that in them what they contracted by generation may be washed away by regeneration. titus 3:5

For, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. Jn 3:5

But shall be administered by holy church unto you. 2 pet 1:11

thks

 

[donadams]

Noah was saved the day he said yes

i was referring to being saved from the flood!

 

[donadams]

John 3:5 refers to being born, and then being born again.

A person must first be born in order to be born again.

Jesus used natural birth (earthly things) to teach Nicodemus about spiritual birth (heavenly things).


There is no natural water involved in being born again, The Spirit gives birth to spirit.

We are born again when we believe.

are we born of the spirit in the natural order?

born again is by faith alone?
are we saved the first moment we believe?

 

[Free]

one christian sacrament of baptism eph 4:5

pour out water three times upon the fore head saying I baptize you in the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

That isn't the preferred method of the early church:

"Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before." (The Didache)

https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

Submersion is the preferred method. Also, that entire paragraph strongly suggests that there was no infant baptism.

 

[donadams]

brother

I am talking about merited salvation. works done to get saved keep saved or keep from losing salvation.

Not works of gratitude and honor based on the fact God loved us.

I am not sure why you are trying to show me works. when i am all for them, in the right context.

Saying I must be baptized in water to be saved. is in the wrong context. it is is trying to merit salvation. and will be rejected as fifthly rags

you can't baptize yourself
2 pet 1:11 entrance shall be administered unto you!

you don't need to obey scripture?

matt 26:41 watch and pray that ye enter not into temptation:

Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shallbe opened unto you:

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrowis the way, which leadeth unto life...

mk 16:16 ge who believes and is baptized shall be saved

matt 10:22 mk 13:13 matt 24:13 rev 2:10 he who endures to the end shall be saved

gal 5:19-21
shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

even if you think your saved by faith alone!

summary :

As Living members of Christ in His new covenant of grace by faith and baptism, then we must abide in Christ by prayer, fasting, alms, mass & sacraments, and the practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ, (matt 11:29) (1 cor 13:13) abiding in Christ (Jn 15:5) keeping ourselves in the love of God, (Jude 1:21) and enduring to the end (Matt 10:22)

thks

 

[donadams]

yes, and John 3: 10 - 18 shows how that is done and when

verse 22 & 23 says how
and Jn 4:1
and matt 28:19

teach all nations, make disciples by "faith alone"?

No!

by baptism!

Amen!

 

[Free]

teach all nations, make disciples by "faith alone"?

No!

You really need to stop going on about "faith alone" since you do not understand it and have shown that you have no intent on understanding it.