Is baptism required for salvation?

[Eternally-grateful]

scripture & Christ say to hear the church! matt 18:17

It does not have to be in scripture to be truth!

Scripture alone is not the rule of faith or source of truth, Christ is! heb 1:1-3 extends to His church matt 18:17 matt 5:14 matt 6:33 1 tim 3:15 and by His command! matt 28:19 acts 1:8

Christ established the church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! matt 28:19

The unity of Christ and the church are inseparable! Matt 28:20 Jn 15:4-5 Jn 21:20-23 acts 9:4
eph 5:32

(Mary is the throne of grace heb 4:16)

lol

ok, You live in your world. I am done.

 

[donadams]

scripture is the only source of truth we can trust.

just like when someone tells you you should only trust them

when someone tells you something you can not confirm in scripture. run, do not walk, to the nearest exit and never look back

where does scripture say this?

 

[donadams]

yes

but sometime between the 1st centery and the third.

scripture took a back seat to pagan and gnositc belief and the truth of God was lost in the background

but if you read paul, peter and john, this switch was already in the church. already false teachers and false teachings were infiltrating the church.

so we would be a fool to think it did not continue after the apostles left..

you said you believe scripture?

matt 16:18-19
shall not prevail

In initribo in alatari dei!

 

[donadams]

So, if we are not Catholic then we are doomed to the lake of fire? This is what I am hearing you say.

God gives all innocent unbelievers (infideles negativi) sufficient grace to achieve eternal
salvation.

thks

 

[donadams]

#1 - Nobody reads the Bible on their own and decides doctrine.

The doctrine of Christ is already decided.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 9


People who go beyond the doctrine of Christ, to both teach and live outside of the teachings of Christ, DOES NOT HAVE GOD.

This applies first and foremost to me.

It also applies to you and everyone who calls on the name of the LORD and therefore names the name of Christ.

That means the Pope on down to the least of us.


#2 - We have the Spirit of God in us to teach us all things.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 14:26

again

But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
1 John 2:27

1st we must be taught of Christ and His church then we can have union with God by faith & baptism and have the unction of the spirit

but Jn 14:26 16:13 only applies to the apostles (acts 2:42) who are commanded to teach all men Matt 28:19

thks

*Mary gave the Redeemer, the Source of all graces, to the world, and in this way she is the channel of all graces.

 

[for_his_glory]

God gives all innocent unbelievers (infideles negativi) sufficient grace to achieve eternal
salvation.

thks

In your own words how do we receive sufficient grace to achieve eternal life. Does it come by Christ alone, or does it only come by being Catholic.

BTW, there are no innocent unbelievers as we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.

 

[donadams]

In your own words how do we receive sufficient grace to achieve eternal life. Does it come by Christ alone, or does it only come by being Catholic.

BTW, there are no innocent unbelievers as we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.

not referring to sin but to knowledge of God and salvation

enlightened and drawn by God and His grace to Christ and His church to faith and baptism

 

[for_his_glory]

not referring to sin but to knowledge of God and salvation

enlightened and drawn by God and His grace to Christ and His church to faith and baptism

Two more questions. Does His Church have a name and do you have to belong to the Catholic Church in order to have faith and be baptized?

 

[donadams]

Two more questions. Does His Church have a name and do you have to belong to the Catholic Church in order to have faith and be baptized?

the church is the new covenant
mt 16:18-19
the kingdom Lk 22:19

called roman Catholic
Catholic means universal
roman cos Christ and His church conquered the pagan roman empire


Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesar’s) shall the God of heaven Is set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

faith and baptism make us Catholic and establish union with God and His saints by grace
1 cor 12:13

thks

 

[JLB]

1st we must be taught of Christ and His church then we can have union with God by faith

False. This is backwards. This make the Catholic Church the agent of salvation.

That’s idolatry.

We are born again when we believe.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

[for_his_glory]

faith and baptism make us Catholic and establish union with God and His saints by grace
1 cor 12:13

No, faith and the baptism of Christ makes us a true child of God, not a Catholic as being a Catholic is only one of over 5000 different religions of the world claiming only they have all truths.

In your post # 729 You added to Daniel 2:44 by putting (Roman Caesar’s) in that scripture in which Jesus gave strong warning in Rev 22:18-19 about what happens to those who add to or take away from the word of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[donadams]

False. This is backwards. This make the Catholic Church the agent of salvation.

That’s idolatry.

We are born again when we believe.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

the church is ordinarily necessary for salvation yes!

1 cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

the ark of noah was a type of the church the ark of eternal salvation 1 pet 3:20-21

outside the flood no one was saved from the flood so outside the church no one has eternal salvation

thks

 

[donadams]

False. This is backwards. This make the Catholic Church the agent of salvation.

That’s idolatry.

We are born again when we believe.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

not faith alone!

does accepting Christ make a man born again? or jistified? or a child of God?


Jn 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

accepting Christ only makes it possible for a man to be a born again child of God by the grace of baptismal regeneration! Jn 3:5 2 pet 1:11

 

[JLB]

the church is ordinarily necessary for salvation yes!

1 cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The church is not mentioned in this scripture.

The Holy Spirit is the Agent of salvation here.

We are born of the Spirit, not born of the Church.

• that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:6

 

[donadams]

No, faith and the baptism of Christ makes us a true child of God, not a Catholic as being a Catholic is only one of over 5000 different religions of the world claiming only they have all truths.

In your post # 729 You added to Daniel 2:44 by putting (Roman Caesar’s) in that scripture in which Jesus gave strong warning in Rev 22:18-19 about what happens to those who add to or take away from the word of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

scripture admits of no denominations only the true church Jn 19:16

one: established by Christ alone
holy: divine origin and means of divine grace
Catholic: universal
apostolic: apostolic succession

dan 2 (roman ceasar's) is not adding to scripture but a reference or interpretation

born again by water and the spirit in baptismal regeneration

thks

 

[donadams]

The church is not mentioned in this scripture.

The Holy Spirit is the Agent of salvation here.

We are born of the Spirit, not born of the Church.

• that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:6

the church is the body and f Christ the new covenant
kingdom
vinyard
household of faith etc

 

[donadams]

The church is not mentioned in this scripture.

The Holy Spirit is the Agent of salvation here.

We are born of the Spirit, not born of the Church.

• that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:6

are we born again children of God by accepting Christ?