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Is belief "works"?

Uh huh, your point?

The promise came through the law of faith that it might be to all the seed (the believers), not to the Jews only who are of the law, but to those who walk in the faith of Abraham, who is the father of all—Jews and Gentiles—who believe.
 
The promise came through the law of faith that it might be to all the seed (the believers), not to the Jews only who are of the law, but to those who walk in the faith of Abraham, who is the father of all—Jews and Gentiles—who believe.

Ok, and how did this replace the existing covenant of works that was established with Adam?
 
Gal_6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
 
Reading comprehension is really not your strong suit.

In the post you actually quoted I stated that Adam was under the covenant of works.

Not when your doing the writing...

Your biblical proof of this covenant is?
 
Not when your doing the writing...

Your biblical proof of this covenant is?

Really? In Genesis 2 God told Adam not to eat of the tree of good and evil, this is tantamount to a covenant as there was a condition, or consequence, should Adam disobey. That if Adam should eat of that tree he would surely die.
 
Why is belief,considered by some, a "work" before regeneration?

Eph 2:8....And that not of yourselves - That is, salvation does not proceed from yourselves. The word rendered "that" - τοῦτο touto - is in the neuter gender, and the word "faith" - πίστις pistis - is in the feminine. The word "that," therefore, does not refer particularly to faith, as being the gift of God, but to "the salvation by grace" of which he had been speaking.

Where in the bible does it spell out for us that belief is a work?

I believe that the kingdom of darkness is behind this myth that we as creatures cannot believe. Satan wants absolutely no creature in heaven and is trying to blind Christians from teaching Free believable and Available Grace to the lost.

When Christ is the object our belief and faith it has no human merit what so ever.

Satan is trying to convince us that belief is a work, and he will try to convince us that our belief is the object of our faith therefore its a "work".

With this scheme Satan antagonizes both Grace for the unbeliever and true knowledge for the believer.

1 Tim 2:4 who desires ALL people to be saved(GRACE) and to come to the knowledge of the Truth. That is the will of our Father!

Satan.....who desires NO people to be saved(convince them they cant believe for Gods Grace) and to blind ALL from the knowledge of the truth so Gods free and available Grace wont be taught to the lost.

(1) In John 6:27-28 Jesus Himself calls belief a work. Those people asked Jesus "What shall we do, that we .... work the works of God?" Jesus did NOT tell them to do no works lest they be trying to earn salvation but Jesus told them Ye believe,...YOU do this work of believing. In this context Jesus clearly, plainly said to work for the meat that endures unto everlasting life. Therefore Jesus has settled the issue that works are necessary to obtain everlasting life, yet people will still argue against it.
So belief is a work for it must contain obedience to God's will else it is dead without those works. James tells us the devils believe and tremble yet their belief will not save them for it does not contain obedient works therefore the devils have a dead belief only. So there is a world of difference between a living, viable, saving biblical belief and a dead belief only, meaning no one can just assume the word "only" appears behind the world "believe" in bible verses. No one can add to or take from God's word else they pervert God's word and no longer have God's word but their own opinions as Martin Luther had to add the word 'alone' in his German translation to get a verse to teach 'faith alone' when it did not.

(2) "believe" is sometimes used in the NT as a synecdoche where a part (belief) stands for the whole (belief, repentance, confession and baptism).

Various verses as Lk 13:3,5; Rom 10:9,10 and Mk 16:16 show that repentance, confession and baptism are just as necessary to salvation as belief. So when the bible says one believed it means he believed, repented, confessed and was baptized. Comparing Acts 2:41 with Acts 2:44 those who gladly received Peter's words were baptized. Those that refused Peter's words refused to be batized. So who were the ones in verse 44 that are said to have "believed"? The ones in v41 who accepted Peter's words and were baptized. So "believed" in v44 includes being baptized. The same is true in 1 Pet 3:21 where Peter said "baptism doeth also now save us". Peter did not say baptism only saves for it does not just as belief only does not save. Baptism here is also used as a synecdoche where baptism in 1 Pet 3:21 includes having believed, repented and confessed with the mouth. Acts 16:34 speaks of the jailer "having believed in God". The participle phrase 'having believed' inlcudes all the jailer had done which includes his repentance (washing their stripes) and being baptized. That is why verse 34 does NOT say "having believed only in God" for the jailer did NOT believe only. So we have 'believed' in verse 34 being used as a synecdoche where the jailer believed, repented confessed and was baptized.

(3)
Eph 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Rom 4:4-5 " Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

(a) no one can take these two verses and isolate them from the rest of the bible and wrongly declare "no works" are needed to be saved. Considering other remote contexts as Rom 6:16-18 Paul said "obedience unto righteousness" and spoke on how the Romans had "obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." To try and force belief only into these two verses creates contradictions with Rom 6:16-18 and other verses as in Rom 10:1-18 where Paul put obedient works BEFORE salvation.


(b) it also has to be understood that the bible speaks of many different types of works; works of God, works of Satan, works of the flesh, works of unrighteousness, works of obedience, works of merit etc, etc. So all works are not alike. From the contexts of the two above verses the works Paul speaks of are works of merit. Paul is not excluding all types of works as some assume. If Paul was excluding all types of works then he is excluding the work of believing creating a major contradiction.
Furthermore, in times past in my dealings with those who think that "faith only' saves, they have argued that man does not have to do any work at all to be saved but that God does all the work in saving man. If that was the case and Eph 2:8-9 and Rom 4:4-5 eliminates ALL WORKS whereby NO WORK is necessary to be saved, then that would eliminate any work God supposedly does to save man.
 
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The bible does not equate "belief" to works. There are those that are so adamant that even though we are under a covenant of grace we are still required to do good works in order to be saved. This is completely false. Good works comes after we are saved as an act of worship to God and praise for the awesome gift He bestowed upon us.

OBEDIENT works (belief, repentance, confessing with the mouth and submmitting to baptism, Jn 3:16; Lk 13:3,5; Rom 10:9,10; Mk 16:16) are necesary in order to become a Christian and GOOD works are necessary for one to remain a Christian, Eph 2:10

So it is not possible to ever become a Christian and remain a Christian without doing works meaning it is not possible to be saved without ever doing any works.
 
OBEDIENT works (belief, repentance, confessing with the mouth and submmitting to baptism, Jn 3:16; Lk 13:3,5; Rom 10:9,10; Mk 16:16) are necesary in order to become a Christian and GOOD works are necessary for one to remain a Christian, Eph 2:10

Not even close. Good works are done as a response, and praise, to God's wonderful gift of salvation. It is also an outward sign that an individual is a Christian. It does not have any bearing on whether or not the individual is a Christian, it becomes a result of it.
 
OBEDIENT works (belief, repentance, confessing with the mouth and submmitting to baptism, Jn 3:16; Lk 13:3,5; Rom 10:9,10; Mk 16:16) are necesary in order to become a Christian and GOOD works are necessary for one to remain a Christian, Eph 2:10

...but works accomplished by a born again believer are not meritorious. They are accomplished as led by the Spirit (see re. the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians).

See also how the end of Romans 8 shows that a true believers is kept by the power of God.
 
Not even close. Good works are done as a response, and praise, to God's wonderful gift of salvation. It is also an outward sign that an individual is a Christian. It does not have any bearing on whether or not the individual is a Christian, it becomes a result of it.

Jn 3:16 Lk 13:3,5 Rom 10:9,10 and Mk 16:16 all put obedience in believing, repenting, confessing with the mouth and being baptized BEFORE being saved. No verse says one is saved in unbelief, no verse says one is saved in his unrepented sins, no verse says one is saved who will not confess CHrist, no verse says one is saved in his unremitted sins having not been baptized.

There is a difference in obedient works that save by believing, repenting, confessing and being baptized and good works God before ordained Christians to walk in.
 
Jn 3:16 Lk 13:3,5 Rom 10:9,10 and Mk 16:16 all put obedience in believing, repenting, confessing with the mouth and being baptized BEFORE being saved. No verse says one is saved in unbelief, no verse says one is saved in his unrepented sins, no verse says one is saved who will not confess CHrist, no verse says one is saved in his unremitted sins having not been baptized.

There is a difference in obedient works that save by believing, repenting, confessing and being baptized and good works God before ordained Christians to walk in.

Works do not save. It is the Holy Spirit that impart salvation to you causing you to come to a place where you understand you must repent of your sins and ask forgiveness, then salvation is given. Works, again, is just a sign of the saved Christian. It has nothing to do with facilitating salvation. That would mean we are still under the covenant of works.
 
...but works accomplished by a born again believer are not meritorious. They are accomplished as led by the Spirit (see re. the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians).

See also how the end of Romans 8 shows that a true believers is kept by the power of God.


GOOD works are necessary AFTER one has already become a Christian. OBEDIENT works are necessary in order to become a Christian. After the NT came into effect and the church began in Acts 2 on Pentecost there is no example of one who become a Christian who did not FIRST do the works of believing, repenting, confessing with the mouth and submitting to water baptism.
 
GOOD works are necessary AFTER one has already become a Christian. OBEDIENT works are necessary in order to become a Christian. After the NT came into effect and the church began in Acts 2 on Pentecost there is no example of one who become a Christian who did not FIRST do the works of believing, repenting, confessing with the mouth and submitting to water baptism.

Again, absolutely wrong. Good works after you have been saved are merely a sign that you have been saved. They do add to your rewards in heaven, as long as you do not seek attention for the good works that are being done.

Good works are possible after salvation because the Holy Spirit is doing them through you, you are not actually doing them on your own. This is why it is important to erroneously take credit for them, but give thanks to God for them.
 
Works do not save. It is the Holy Spirit that impart salvation to you causing you to come to a place where you understand you must repent of your sins and ask forgiveness, then salvation is given. Works, again, is just a sign of the saved Christian. It has nothing to do with facilitating salvation. That would mean we are still under the covenant of works.

Works by themselves and in and of themselves do not save for God saves. But who does God save? Those that do obedient works in obeying His will, Heb 5:9 and God has vengeance upon that that "obey not" the gospel of Christ, 2 Thess 1:8 in believing, repenting, conffessing and being bpatized.
Since God does save those who do obedient works in doing his will that is why Peter and Paul could say "save thyself" - Acts 2:40 and 1 Tim 4:16. They could 'save themselves" in the sense by doing those obedient works (believe, repent, confess, baptism) that God has said to do.
 
Works by themselves and in and of themselves do not save for God saves. But who does God save? Those that do obedient works in obeying His will, Heb 5:9 and God has vengeance upon that that "obey not" the gospel of Christ, 2 Thess 1:8 in believing, repenting, conffessing and being bpatized.
Since God does save those who do obedient works in doing his will that is why Peter and Paul could say "save thyself" - Acts 2:40 and 1 Tim 4:16. They could 'save themselves" in the sense by doing those obedient works (believe, repent, confess, baptism) that God has said to do.

And here, once again, you have illustrated how your church's doctrine has gone far afield of what the bible truly teaches.
 
Again, absolutely wrong. Good works after you have been saved are merely a sign that you have been saved. They do add to your rewards in heaven, as long as you do not seek attention for the good works that are being done.

Good works are possible after salvation because the Holy Spirit is doing them through you, you are not actually doing them on your own. This is why it is important to erroneously take credit for them, but give thanks to God for them.

But you have not shown any bibical proof that what I posted is wrong. Can you show me one person who became a Christian BEFORE they believed, BEFORE they repented, BEFORE they confessed with the mouth, BEFORE they were water baptized for remission of sins.
 
If belief counts as works, does anyone believe they've been saved?

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