brightfame52
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More works, If you condition anything you do for Salvation, its works. That goes for any part of Salvation, all of Salvation, past, present, future is 100% of God
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Is believing/faith a work ?
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brightfame52
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Nothing said about believing being a condition you do to get saved. Now if you believe that your believing is the requirement you meet to get saved, congratulations you believe in work salvation. And I have already covered that passage in this thread.
brightfame52
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No Faith isnt irrelevant, its just not a condition man is required to have in order for God to save them, thats works merit. You evidently believe Faith is a requirement you must meet in order for God to Justify you. Is that right ?
Believing Jesus is the Saviour of the world who forgives the sins of those who believe in and follow Him as their Saviour and Redeemer is an essential requirement for the salvation of YOUR soul.
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Highway54
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May I ask if I interpret what you are saying is correct 52? Are you saying God accepts one's worship as long as they believe they are worshipping Him in the way they believe is right? If that is the case, what is your understanding of Mat 7:21-23?
Works is observing the commandments of God 1 Jn 5:3
Highway54
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What is meant by this Jay:
Mt 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
Mt 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents *, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
Mt 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
Mt 25:17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
Mt 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
Mt 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth * with them.
Mt 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
Mt 25:21 * His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mt 25:22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
Mt 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mt 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Mt 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Mt 25:26 * His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mt 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mt 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Kind of lengthy sir, but it addresses your concerns, are you able to see that Jay?
Consider this example as well:
Mr 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
Mr 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
Mr 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
Mr 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she * of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
These accounts should clarify it for you Jay.
brightfame52
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Thats works.
brightfame52
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Im saying if one conditions their salvation on something they do, its works !
Which hand do you use to work with?
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The word 'works' has various and several meanings, yet you use the word to disparage anything and everything you disagree with, and that is very unwise. Jesus did a lot of good works, and so did many more to the glory of God. A good work you could do would be to :-
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
Works - Holman Bible Dictionary -
Deeds leading to planned results, both by God and people. God's works are His acts and deeds in creating, saving, and sustaining (Judges 2:7; Psalm 8:6; Psalm 103:22; Psalm 104:24; Isaiah 64:8; Ephesians 2:10; Philippians 1:6 ). Jesus Christ came to do the work of God (John 4:34; John 5:17; John 9:4
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brightfame52
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I know what the word works mean, I have already dealt with that.The word 'works' has various and several meanings, yet you use the word to disparage anything and everything you disagree with, and that is very unwise. Jesus did a lot of good works, and so did many more to the glory of God. A good work you could do would be to :-
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
.Works - Holman Bible Dictionary -
Deeds leading to planned results, both by God and people. God's works are His acts and deeds in creating, saving, and sustaining (Judges 2:7; Psalm 8:6; Psalm 103:22; Psalm 104:24; Isaiah 64:8; Ephesians 2:10; Philippians 1:6 ). Jesus Christ came to do the work of God (John 4:34; John 5:17; John 9:4
These are 'works' as well.
Mat_5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Joh_5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Joh_10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh_10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh_10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Joh_14:10-11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh_15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
The magic ingredient is faith.
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That is Faith brightfame52.
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brightfame52
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Again if you or me or anyone condition their salvation on anything they do, its works and denies grace Salvation.
brightfame52
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Rabbit trail. If you or I condition salvation on anything we do, its a work merit based salvation which is contrary to Gods Salvation by Grace.
Highway54
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As long as you realize 52, that your works has to be in line with the will of Jehovah. Those of Mat 7:21-23 did many amazing works, but were rejected because their works did not appear as being worthy to God, even though the world might have considered them heros. Can you think of any examples where a religious organization might have done an outstanding thing receiving praise from many, but was not within the guidelines of the assignment Jesus gave to his disciples?
Not a rabbit trail at all. We trust in GOD to save us from our sins, poor, undeserving sinners that we are.
We cannot save ourselves.
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Anyway, this conversation has been extremely useful, for which I thank you. Such a basic misunderstanding of the meaning of faith shows how Calvinism came to be such a mess.
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brightfame52
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As long as you realize if one conditions their salvation on anything they do, its works and that person is in a lost condition.