Jethro Bodine
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When was Abraham justified, before he believed, or when he believed? What does the Bible say?
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GodsGrace
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Yes. I already posted it is some answer!
I've already posted everything hundreds of times.
Guess it's time to get off the forum!!
LOL
OR, that could just become my standard answer.
LOL
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Didn't you know?
Jesus DID IT ALL.
You get yourself on that couch and DON'T DO ANYTHING!
It might even be a sin !
Gee. I wonder if that makes things NEUTRAL,
or
Maybe it even goes so far as to mean that I could sin all I want to (which I've heard)
and STILL BE SAVED!
Isn't Christianity wonderful?
Edward
2024 Supporter
Tra la la, it sure is! His love covers a multitude of sins! He knows man will continue to sin even after he is born of the spirit because of his fleshly nature. Hmm, that does sound sorta like a blank check! Nothing too big though, ok?
Oh wait, what does this say?
Galatians 6
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not..../KJV
I must've missed that one before, Lol! These three verses totally destroy the premise given in the OP (and 2000 more after that Lol!). Do you know how angry God gets when somebody mocks Him? I don't but I fear the Lord more than that to mock Him! That sounnds dangerous and He gives us a warning not to do that. To the hearers but not doers of the word is the ones who Jesus will say, I never knew you. (that will be a terrrible day for Jesus to have to say that to these people).
But if you sit on your couch and say, tra la la I don't have to do anything at any time because Salavation is free so I don't have to do good works and Jesus will come one day and work His magic and make me perfect and take me to heaven...! Here's the problem with that (v8), ok zap you are born again and saved! Now we in our Family take equal responsibility towards the family and also, those who the Family may want to adopt so are charged with the responsibility of chasing stray sheep for our Father, because He told us to. We are commanded to sow to our new spirit that has been given to us and to stop sowing to the flesh (and being cheap & lazy). If you continue to live for your fleshly self and not your spirit, then you are making your own decisions and have turned your back on God and said, I'm my own family. So you better start treating yourself and others to some of your good works that you can do for them. Is "Let me Help" not in your vocabulary?
That brings us to good works. (v9). Do you Love the Lord? Would you do a favor for Him if he needed it? Would you make Him pay you or say no? Of course not! The Lord told us, as our Father, we are to be good kids and love our neighbor like we are doing the favor for Him and not the homeless alcoholic guy. You don't want to help him because he'll probably spend it on alcohol anyway, right? But newsflash they are human beings and get hungry every day just like your own righteous self. You don't know if he will spend it on alcohol, that's an excuse! He probably IS hungry.
The Lord said why wouldn't you give me to eat? You said, when? When you didn't see me sitting in diguise as a homeless man...There is a scripture for that if you really want me to look it up, lol. But these 3 verses are enough to destroy the threads premise.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Great post!Tra la la, it sure is! His love covers a multitude of sins! He knows man will continue to sin even after he is born of the spirit because of his fleshly nature. Hmm, that does sound sorta like a blank check! Nothing too big though, ok?
Oh wait, what does this say?
Galatians 6
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not..../KJV
I must've missed that one before, Lol! These three verses totally destroy the premise given in the OP (and 2000 more after that Lol!). Do you know how angry God gets when somebody mocks Him? I don't but I fear the Lord more than that to mock Him! That sounnds dangerous and He gives us a warning not to do that. To the hearers but not doers of the word is the ones who Jesus will say, I never knew you. (that will be a terrrible day for Jesus to have to say that to these people).
But if you sit on your couch and say, tra la la I don't have to do anything at any time because Salavation is free so I don't have to do good works and Jesus will come one day and work His magic and make me perfect and take me to heaven...! Here's the problem with that (v8), ok zap you are born again and saved! Now we in our Family take equal responsibility towards the family and also, those who the Family may want to adopt so are charged with the responsibility of chasing stray sheep for our Father, because He told us to. We are commanded to sow to our new spirit that has been given to us and to stop sowing to the flesh (and being cheap & lazy). If you continue to live for your fleshly self and not your spirit, then you are making your own decisions and have turned your back on God and said, I'm my own family. So you better start treating yourself and others to some of your good works that you can do for them. Is "Let me Help" not in your vocabulary?
That brings us to good works. (v9). Do you Love the Lord? Would you do a favor for Him if he needed it? Would you make Him pay you or say no? Of course not! The Lord told us, as our Father, we are to be good kids and love our neighbor like we are doing the favor for Him and not the homeless alcoholic guy. You don't want to help him because he'll probably spend it on alcohol anyway, right? But newsflash they are human beings and get hungry every day just like your own righteous self. You don't know if he will spend it on alcohol, that's an excuse! He probably IS hungry.
The Lord said why wouldn't you give me to eat? You said, when? When you didn't see me sitting in diguise as a homeless man...There is a scripture for that if you really want me to look it up, lol. But these 3 verses are enough to destroy the threads premise.
Nothing to add.
:nod
(I just don't understand the "works are not necessary" crowd when that's all Jesus spoke about).
(almost all).
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I'm sorry if you love me.
I'm already married.
But, apparently you don't understand the difference between the following two scenarios:
1. Wondering states that the reformed faith teaches that God is unloving, unmerciful and unjust.
2. Wondering states that, due to its teachings, the reformed faith represents God as unloving, unmerciful and unjust.
I do think I can state pretty darn well what I believe.
PERHAPS it is YOU that cannot understand because you're clouded by your infatuation of me.
OR, you really are handicapped understanding the English language.
A problem I don't have.
But yes, you keep track of all my posts.
I'd do it too if I were infatuated with you.
Or is it infatuated BY you?
Come on, give us the answser.
Mr. English.
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GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Ummm.
Do you know the difference between YouTube and a book?
I don't know what book you're speaking of.
If you have time to follow me around,
you have time to check out for yourself what Piper, MacArthur and Sproul believe.
It's rather shocking that you don't.
brightfame52
2024 Supporter
edward
Its fair, but please stop with the sly insults.
Okay, but still whoever it is, if we condition Salvation on anything we do, its works, no matter how much we deny it or minimize it !
Its fair, but please stop with the sly insults.
Okay, but still whoever it is, if we condition Salvation on anything we do, its works, no matter how much we deny it or minimize it !
brightfame52
2024 Supporter
Im asking for your understanding. Are you afraid to answer the question ?
atpollard
Member
That sounds a lot like the conclusion that John Wesley came to (not a bad thing at all considering what he and Billy Graham ... who believed likewise ... accomplished per Ephesians 2:10).
If you want to view it that way then that's between you and God. You asked a question and I answered it, so if you're not satisfied with it don't ask questions, unless your intent wasn't to really learn anything.
God Bless
brightfame52
2024 Supporter
I tell you what I have learned, if we believe anything we have done was condition to do in order for God to save us, then its works salvation and a abomination before God. That I have learned friend.
Alrighty then, using your logic then Bible is then a fallible and untrustworthy resource as if your interpretation is right, then all those verses contradict themselves and the foundation of the Bible collapses. My friend, maybe we need to reevaluate things.
Such a forlorn doctrine.
Jesus did the suffering and dying, but we can't react to it with repentance and water baptism in His name for the remission of sins.
Nothing would make any difference for those who imagine they are saved before the day of judgement.
Hundreds of sects with doctrines/ways to disobey God, and still call yourself a believer, suits the disobedient haters of Government to a tee.
EEKS !!!Tra la la, it sure is! His love covers a multitude of sins! He knows man will continue to sin even after he is born of the spirit because of his fleshly nature. Hmm, that does sound sorta like a blank check! Nothing too big though, ok?
Oh wait, what does this say?
Galatians 6
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not..../KJV
I must've missed that one before, Lol! These three verses totally destroy the premise given in the OP (and 2000 more after that Lol!). Do you know how angry God gets when somebody mocks Him? I don't but I fear the Lord more than that to mock Him! That sounnds dangerous and He gives us a warning not to do that. To the hearers but not doers of the word is the ones who Jesus will say, I never knew you. (that will be a terrrible day for Jesus to have to say that to these people).
But if you sit on your couch and say, tra la la I don't have to do anything at any time because Salavation is free so I don't have to do good works and Jesus will come one day and work His magic and make me perfect and take me to heaven...! Here's the problem with that (v8), ok zap you are born again and saved! Now we in our Family take equal responsibility towards the family and also, those who the Family may want to adopt so are charged with the responsibility of chasing stray sheep for our Father, because He told us to. We are commanded to sow to our new spirit that has been given to us and to stop sowing to the flesh (and being cheap & lazy). If you continue to live for your fleshly self and not your spirit, then you are making your own decisions and have turned your back on God and said, I'm my own family. So you better start treating yourself and others to some of your good works that you can do for them. Is "Let me Help" not in your vocabulary?
That brings us to good works. (v9). Do you Love the Lord? Would you do a favor for Him if he needed it? Would you make Him pay you or say no? Of course not! The Lord told us, as our Father, we are to be good kids and love our neighbor like we are doing the favor for Him and not the homeless alcoholic guy. You don't want to help him because he'll probably spend it on alcohol anyway, right? But newsflash they are human beings and get hungry every day just like your own righteous self. You don't know if he will spend it on alcohol, that's an excuse! He probably IS hungry.
The Lord said why wouldn't you give me to eat? You said, when? When you didn't see me sitting in diguise as a homeless man...There is a scripture for that if you really want me to look it up, lol. But these 3 verses are enough to destroy the threads premise.
You should have provided a sarcasm alert before your initial paragraph !
I'm glad I read the rest before responding.
Jethro Bodine
Member
No. (You didn't actually ask me the question).
Answer: Everybody is justified when they believe just as Abraham our example was justified. I wanted to see if you could answer this basic Biblical question. Romans 4:3, Romans 4:23-24.
Jethro Bodine
Member
John 5:24
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
It is not the "works" that Paul wrote about for salvation.
He wrote against circumcision, feast keeping, sabbath keeping, tithing, and dietary rule keeping for salvation.
Nothing against repentance from sin or water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
Nothing against praying or fasting.
He wrote nothing against loving God with all your heart, soul, and strength.
Nothing against doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.
These are all conditions for salvation.