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Is believing/faith a work ?

brightfame52 said:
rogerg



Exactly !


Yes, From the Father, through the Son and by the Spirit




Everyone The Father Chose from the beginning, the Son redeemed and Justified, the same the Spirit gives Spiritual Life because that sinners sins have been put away, after the Spirit gives life, we have the fruit of the Spirit, Faith


Unfortunately most of professing christianity believes salvation is of themselves or a cooperative venture with God which at least makes them co saviours
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totally agree with all of it, brightfame52
 
journeyman said:
Both of those scriptures concern testimony as the reason for faith, not any arbitrary reason.
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Again, they are regarding the Born Again Sheep, and they will believe because they are Sheep. Its a guarentee that Christs Sheep will hear His voice and believe Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

You see that, they are Christs Sheep, yet they haven't yet been brought to Faith, but they will be because they are His Sheep.

Peter said of Gentile Sheep Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe

This was Gods choice not mans !

So those scriptures you showed refer only to the Sheep who God wills to bring to faith.
 
journeyman said:
No it isn't, because an arbitrary decision made by God takes no faith at all on the sinners part. No obedience, nothing. In fact, a "covenant" is an agreement, but anyone who has no say in a matter, any matter, agrees to nothing.
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Yes it is ! And consider that a warning. I dont mind disagreement, but when we start falsely accusing people of things, it wont be tolerated my friend. You have a right to disagree, but not to falsely accuse.
 
brightfame52 said:
Again, they are regarding the Born Again Sheep, and they will believe because they are Sheep. Its a guarentee that Christs Sheep will hear His voice and believe Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

You see that, they are Christs Sheep, yet they haven't yet been brought to Faith, but they will be because they are His Sheep.

Peter said of Gentile Sheep Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe

This was Gods choice not mans !

So those scriptures you showed refer only to the Sheep who God wills to bring to faith.
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They're sheep because they hear and follow. The gentiles hadn't been brought to faith yet because they hadnt heard the gospel yet. Peter said they would hear by his preaching.
 
I once had a small pool in my back yard for the kids to enjoy. One day, my daughter asked the girl next door if she wanted to swim, so the kid asked her father. The father she could go if she could perform some task. I can't remember what he wanted her to do, but it was something a 6 year old child couldn't possibly do.
That's a true story and it's exactly the kind of horrible father Calvanists believe God is.
 
JLB said:
Faith come by hearing the word.


The "word" of God contextually refers to the Gospel.

Again, how can a person be saved without hearing the message of Christ?

How can a person believe in Christ if they have never heard about Him.

Your "gospel" is another Gospel, that is Christ-less.
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How many times do I have to answer this? Okay, this is absolutely the last time. Read closely - it might just
penetrate this time but you actually do have to read and think about it.

People are saved because God saves them. God saves only those whom He had chosen to save.
True faith in Christ is a gift of the fruit of the Spirit. To have it, is not what saves anyone, but is FROM/BY being saved. Otherwise, anything else would be of our work, and we cannot be saved by any of our works

The "hearing" you mention is spiritual hearing, not physical hearing. Notice the "blessed" below. To be able hear spiritually, ears have to first have been spiritually blessed by God. Unless so blessed, spiritual hearing is not possible. No one has spiritual ears to hear unless and until becoming born again.

[Mat 13:16 KJV] 16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Can you see from the below (Co 2:13), that only the Holy Ghost teaches someone the gospel? The Holy Ghost is only given to those saved. Of themselves, natural man CANNOT know the gospel.

[1Co 2:13-14 KJV]
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Could it be any clearer than in Tit 3:5? Salvation is solely by His mercy and by nothing else

[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Christ alone is the gospel that I profess and nothing outside of Him. Works are the gospel you profess. Yours is the Christ-less gospel. The whole Bible is solely about Christ as Saviour. As the Saviour it is He alone who saves and saves to the uttermost.

[Psa 40:7-8 KJV]
7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,
8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart.

What is the Father's will that Christ spoke of in Psa 40:8? All that the Father gave Him, He would lose none of them and they should be raised on the last day

[Jhn 6:39 KJV]
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
 
brightfame52 said:
Yes it is ! And consider that a warning. I dont mind disagreement, but when we start falsely accusing people of things, it wont be tolerated my friend. You have a right to disagree, but not to falsely accuse.
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According to Calvinism, he has no choice in the matter.
 
rogerg said:
That is reasoning from the scripture, you are just unable to recognize it.
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I recognize your gospel as a false Gospel that is nowhere to be found in scripture.


what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:31



JLB
 
journeyman said:
And he (Abraham) believed in the LORD; and he (the Lord) counted it (Abrahams' faith) to him (Abraham) for righteousness. Gen.15:6

God credited Abrahams' faith to Abraham. Tell me why?
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I just told you if one believes it because they are sheep. Abraham believed because He was one of Gods lost Sheep that was found.
 
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