Is Benny Hinn Biblical?

[Photosmith]

NO, Jesus did NOT ALWAYS say that one's FAITH healed them. This WAS offered, but NOT ALWAYS. And contradictory to what SOME would have others believe, it was NOT the faith of those HEALED, it was the FAITH of the HEALER.

Lazrus was DEAD. Now, HOW MUCH FAITH DID HE HAVE.

Just as an FYI so you are informed for the future, typing lots of words in upper-case doesn't actually make your conclusion accurate. Citing sources from the bible is how you demonstrate what is or is not scripturally accurate. I'll help you out here by showing how it's done.

I'll start with the story about Lazarus. Oh, here's another tip - spell names correctly. You spelled it "Lazrus."

25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

27"Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world.

So here we have Jesus asking Martha if she believes (has faith) and she replies "Yes, Lord."

40Then Jesus said, "Did I not tell you that if you believed, you would see the glory of God?"

Here is it Jesus Himself that says that it is because "you believed" that Lazarus was raised from the dead. It was not because Jesus believed, it was because Martha had faith and believed that Jesus was able to perform the miracle that it was done.

Just for good measure, here's 6 more examples, which in addition to the example above about Lazarus bring us up to a nice 7 example of scripture that cite it is by the individual's faith they are healed, not because Jesus has faith in us.

Matthew 9:22
Jesus turned and saw her. "Take heart, daughter," he said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was healed from that moment.

Matthew 15:28
Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Mark 5:34
He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering."

Mark 10:52
"Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

Luke 8:48
Then he said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace."

Luke 18:42
Jesus said to him, "Receive your sight; your faith has healed you."


So then this is the part where you can reply back and cite sources to support your claim that Jesus healed by His own faith rather than the faith of the person asking for healing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying the correct process is for you to cite sources so we know what scripture you are referring to. Once we're clear on what scripture you are referring to it helps us all get on the same page, so to speak.

 

[Silver Bullet]

jesus always said thy faith has made the whole. because they believed that he was their healer, they were able to be healed.

Very likely that a powerful 'placebo effect' is active in these situations.

saying my faith was lifted to believe that i was going to receive His healing touch, then yes i would stand with my faith but if it wasn't then i would go to the doctor.

So how would you know "if your faith was lifted to believe that you were going to receive His healing"? I mean, what does that really mean?

many received their healing in the ministries of william branham in our day, f.f. bosworth, jack coe, John wesley of the methodist movement had many sihns following and so did martin luther of the lutheran movement, and columba during the dark ages, and st. martin, and ireneaus, and polycarp all testified to the signs following their ministries

For all of which, I bet there is no good evidence (or if there is, I'd love to see it).

You want evidence that Jesus heals today? Do you really want evidence? People with your attitude are given proof and they usually refute it.

Go on Youtube and do a search on resurrection Nigeria. There you will see a man resurrected from the dead after 10 minutes of trying to revive him the ''medical way'' a man called TB Joshua, prays over him and he rises before your eyes.

And google TB Joshua of Nigeria. I saw miracles done through him. But I know you will still not believe.

So ask God to give a sign, when He does He will bring back to memory your request...Only be sincere.

Do you really call this proof? Do you really expect reasonable people to consider this proof?

It seems that not only people with "my attitude" are unimpressed by TB Joshua:

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/tbjoshua.html

There are quite a lot of extraordinary claims made about him, and quite an absence of extraordinary evidence. Here's what Wikipedia had to say:

"Joshua allegedly remained in his mother's womb for 15 months before he was born. In hospital, his mother was warned not do an operation by a pastor, who said that God was busy preparing the child in her womb. During his naming ceremony seven days after birth, a big stone was said to have flown from where workers were drilling a borehole, pierced the roof where people were celebrating and landed where the baby was placed. The stone missed him narrowly [2]. It is also said a sage had predicted his birth a century earlier [3]."

Can you forgive me if (a) I am skeptical, and (b) I think that skepticism is the only reasonable position to hold on the topic of this man?

It is important to note that the burden of proof is not on me to disprove these claims. The burden of proof is on those who make the claims to prove them. TB Johsua seems to be intervening in the health of people on a regular basis, so opportunities to provide proof are abundant.

One would only need to get independent laboratory confirmation of 10-20 (or why not 50 or 100?) HIV positive individuals who after receiving a healing from him go on to not develop any features of AIDS (assessed independently, of course) and become HIV negative, as he has apparently claimed (I'm no immunologist, but this strikes me as an interesting claim: where do the antibodies go?).

Or he could come to a hospital in Boston, like Mass General, and subject his healing claims to reasonable tests - the same tests that medications and other therapeutic interventions are subject to.

You seem to suggest that I am closed-minded by not accepting the google search and Youtube videos as proof. Don't you think that the reality is that you are gullible for believing them?

-SB

 

[follower of Christ]

What's the difference/similarities between Benny and the false prophets of Baal? There's nothing new under the son.
Benny is a Shaman and his followers are all pagans, seers, seekers of familiar spirits, and that's a fact! Look for the subliminal messages, and hand and body signals.

eh...some of them are simply mislead. Ive known some of his followers and I know that many of them just dont know any better. Many of them come around once they know the truth. Its not fair to accuse them all of being pagans.

 

[kingdavid]

i think it is like in the book of Kings in elijahs day. there was a wind(benny hinns breath) but God is not in it, there was a fire(receive the fire) but God is not in it, maybe next will come an earthquake???? and God will not be in that either

however, when elijah heard a still small voice, that was God.

God always honors faith and the Spirit Falls on the just and the unjust, the true vessel and the false vessel.

 

[Silver Bullet]

I see from the post above that you are still posting here kingdavid . . .

faith is a revelation that is made known to you by the Lord Himself. IT IS NOT A GUESS WORK

Can you please take the guesswork out of revelation for me kingdavid? How does one do that? I mean, how do you know it's Jesus or Yawheh communicating to you? How do you know you're not schizophrenic if you think that it is? How do you know it isn't Allah communicating with you? How do you know it isn't Satan communicating with you, tricking you into thinking it is the Lord himself?

My hero, Sam Harris, has written, and I completely concur, that faith is just the license that believers give themselves to believe when reason has failed.

Can you defend your definition of faith against that one?

SB

 

[kingdavid]

I see from the post above that you are still posting here kingdavid . . .

faith is a revelation that is made known to you by the Lord Himself. IT IS NOT A GUESS WORK

Can you please take the guesswork out of revelation for me kingdavid? How does one do that? I mean, how do you know it's Jesus or Yawheh communicating to you? How do you know you're not schizophrenic if you think that it is? How do you know it isn't Allah communicating with you? How do you know it isn't Satan communicating with you, tricking you into thinking it is the Lord himself?

My hero, Sam Harris, has written, and I completely concur, that faith is just the license that believers give themselves to believe when reason has failed.

Can you defend your definition of faith against that one?

SB

as the scripture states, faith is a substance but not one that can be seen, it does make the unseen visible or it is the evidence of things not seen. i can not give you faith or revelation. that is only given by God and/or His Son-the Lord Jesus Christ. you know it is true only by the testimony of the Word. if it doesn't bear reecord with the Word then it isn't of God. that is why God gave us the bible

 

[Silver Bullet]

as the scripture states, faith is a substance but not one that can be seen, it does make the unseen visible or it is the evidence of things not seen. i can not give you faith or revelation. that is only given by God and/or His Son-the Lord Jesus Christ. you know it is true only by the testimony of the Word. if it doesn't bear reecord with the Word then it isn't of God. that is why God gave us the bible

The Bible tells us that faith and revelation are true.
How do I know if X is true faith or revelation?
Check with the Bible.

That seems pretty circular to me.

SB

 

[kingdavid]

as the scripture states, faith is a substance but not one that can be seen, it does make the unseen visible or it is the evidence of things not seen. i can not give you faith or revelation. that is only given by God and/or His Son-the Lord Jesus Christ. you know it is true only by the testimony of the Word. if it doesn't bear reecord with the Word then it isn't of God. that is why God gave us the bible

The Bible tells us that faith and revelation are true.
How do I know if X is true faith or revelation?
Check with the Bible.

That seems pretty circular to me.

SB

no, it basically tells you that any faith or revelation from God will not contradict the word already given. it it does, then you know your faith or revelation is wrong

 

[Silver Bullet]

as the scripture states, faith is a substance but not one that can be seen, it does make the unseen visible or it is the evidence of things not seen. i can not give you faith or revelation. that is only given by God and/or His Son-the Lord Jesus Christ. you know it is true only by the testimony of the Word. if it doesn't bear reecord with the Word then it isn't of God. that is why God gave us the bible

The Bible tells us that faith and revelation are true.
How do I know if X is true faith or revelation?
Check with the Bible.

That seems pretty circular to me.

SB

no, it basically tells you that any faith or revelation from God will not contradict the word already given. it it does, then you know your faith or revelation is wrong

And because the Bible validates the existence or truth of faith and revelation in the first place, it is indeed a perfect circle.

SB

 

[Silver Bullet]

as the scripture states, faith is a substance but not one that can be seen, it does make the unseen visible or it is the evidence of things not seen.

Now how does that help me to understand that faith is a valid way of knowing anything, since you must first have "faith" that the scripture itself is valid?

There are plenty of substances that are not seen, like air, which we can easily detect. How can one detect the "substance" of faith?

Since the "substance" of faith is not seen, can you explain how it can also be "the evidence of things not seen"? And since "faith" makes the unseen visible, why can't it make itself (unseen) also visible?

Can you tell me why I should respect this mysterious, so far circular and cryptic process of faith as a valid way of knowing anything?

What do you have to say about "faith" that could begin to start to convince me that it is anything other than pure gullibility?

These are straightforward questions that flow naturally from what you have written. A moderately curious and intelligent child could pose these reasonable questions to you.

SB

 

[Imagican]

The 'tricky part' of these questions is that they cannot be answered to ALL.

The Bible is pretty clear in that 'not all will accept what it offers'.

With acceptance comes understanding. While this may not be true with all knowledge, it's certainly pertinent when it comes to The Word.

I doubt that many would gain anything of significance without first having come to faith.

But, once this is achieved, then understanding follows.

For those that have their hearts 'circumcised', (comformed to the heart of God), then there is little doubt able to seep in so far as The Word is concerned.

How can this be PROVEN? It can't to those that don't KNOW it.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Silver Bullet]

The 'tricky part' of these questions is that they cannot be answered to ALL.

The Bible is pretty clear in that 'not all will accept what it offers'.

With acceptance comes understanding. While this may not be true with all knowledge, it's certainly pertinent when it comes to The Word.

I doubt that many would gain anything of significance without first having come to faith.

But, once this is achieved, then understanding follows.

For those that have their hearts 'circumcised', (comformed to the heart of God), then there is little doubt able to seep in so far as The Word is concerned.

How can this be PROVEN? It can't to those that don't KNOW it.

Blessings,

MEC

Ok, but I'm sure one could dance around faith in Islam (incompatible with Christian faith), Mormonism, fortune telling, holocaust denial, etc in the same way that you are dancing around your Christian faith.

For example, with regards to horoscopes, I could say:

"It's pretty clear that not all will accept that horoscopes are real, truthful messages. With acceptance comes understanding. This may not be true of all types of knowledge, its certainly pertinent when it comes to the truth of horoscopes. I doubt that many would gain anything of significance without first having come to believe in horoscopes. But, once this is achieved, then understanding follows. For those that have their hearts 'circumcised', (comformed to the heart of the horoscope writer), then there is little doubt able to seep in so far as The Horoscope is concerned. How can this be PROVEN? It can't to those that don't KNOW it."

I would argue that there is a very good reason that the veracity of horoscopes cannot be PROVEN to those that don't KNOW it: they are false. Similarly, I would argue that there is a very good reason the questions I posed in response to the previous post seem "tricky" to you, or that they cannot be answered to ALL.

NOTHING about what you have written begins to validate "faith", a process I'm quite sure you cannot describe using plain language, as a way of knowing anything at all.

SB

 

[mondar]

I know when drug companies such as Forrest Labs, or Eli Lilly, test drugs, they are allowed to use placebo among the sick population. A placebo is a sugar tablet that looks and tastes like the real script. To be approved by the FDA the real script must be much better then the placebo. I have seen the stats on certain drugs. An made up example would be like.... placebo only heals 21%, real drug 89%.

No for Benny Hinn. I know nothing about his healings. I do know I have never heard him preach the gospel.

 

[kingdavid]

I know when drug companies such as Forrest Labs, or Eli Lilly, test drugs, they are allowed to use placebo among the sick population. A placebo is a sugar tablet that looks and tastes like the real script. To be approved by the FDA the real script must be much better then the placebo. I have seen the stats on certain drugs. An made up example would be like.... placebo only heals 21%, real drug 89%.

No for Benny Hinn. I know nothing about his healings. I do know I have never heard him preach the gospel.

i have seen and heard him and still didn't hear him preach the gospel