Is Gay 'Love' Real?

[lamplady]

Or is it a deception?

The bible talks about the 'acts' being an abomination but lets not talk about that, just their profession of 'love' for one another ...

 

[jasoncran]

Or is it a deception?

The bible talks about the 'acts' being an abomination but lets not talk about that, just their profession of 'love' for one another ...

from expercience its a real as the hetero one.

doesnt mean its right. that is the same when you have sex outside of marriage. it feels the same as the marrage bed but has consequences.

with same sex love the object is wrong and the desire but the emotions are the same.

that is a little confusing. so i will try my best.

when i was in love with a man. he looked forward to seing me, and i am
when we kissed. the emotions were there and also the same as a girl doing it.

the problem here is that satan and myself tried to convince me that the feelings were ok, when deep down inside i felt it wrong and also the lord was dealing with me.

sorry if i dont help your position but i wont lie to make counter gay right argurments. i hate that. if the shoe fits wear it.

 

[lamplady]

thanks Jason - I appreciate and prefer reality I really do - hate it when people dress up lies thinking they're doing good ...

but do you think the 'wrong' feeling was just you? what about others? do you think that they too think deep down it's wrong?

 

[jasoncran]

thanks Jason - I appreciate and prefer reality I really do - hate it when people dress up lies thinking they're doing good ...

but do you think the 'wrong' feeling was just you? what about others? do you think that they too think deep down it's wrong?

cant say. i do know one former bi like me. i will have to ask her.

the lbgt calls that "inner homophobia". so if the lbgt calls what i went through that then the others must at times doubt.

of course the lbgt says that is from the fact that society calls being gay, bi or lesbian wrong and shuns them.

 

[lamplady]

cant say.

of course the lbgt says that is from the fact that society calls being gay, bi or lesbian wrong and shuns them.

I question that too. Somehow everything is societies fault - but to me it couldn't be any easier to be 'out' now so what are they really afraid of?

Then they'll of course blame Christians and Christian attitudes permeating throughout society but again all I see are people welcoming them into the fold - no shunning ...

 

[jasoncran]

cant say.

of course the lbgt says that is from the fact that society calls being gay, bi or lesbian wrong and shuns them.

I question that too. Somehow everything is societies fault - but to me it couldn't be any easier to be 'out' now so what are they really afraid of?

Then they'll of course blame Christians and Christian attitudes permeating throughout society but again all I see are people welcoming them into the fold - no shunning ...

the drive to look at men is soo strong that they feel conflicted. they know its wrong but dont feel for the opposite sex.

i didnt go through that. i was bi.meaning that women were good too. i just choice to mainly act on the women attraction but the male attraction was always there.

i only acted on that once. if you wish i will expound on this in private, i can add to this in private. its best.

when i was with the man i did still look and think about women just never acted on that side, out of respect.

 

[lamplady]

the drive to look at men is soo strong that they feel conflicted. they know its wrong but dont feel for the opposite sex.

Is that the devil?


i didnt go through that. i was bi.meaning that women were good too. i just choice to mainly act on the women attraction but the male attraction was always there.

i only acted on that once. if you wish i will expound on this in private, i can add to this in private. its best.

Ok - Pm me

when i was with the man i did still look and think about women just never acted on that side, out of respect.

I suppose if their 'love' is real, in order to reach a 'love' stage they must go through an attraction stage - is the attraction part itself wrong?

Does God disapprove of two men loving one another? Maybe some would say if it's like a woman then yes - does the bible say that?

 

[jasoncran]

I suppose if their 'love' is real, in order to reach a 'love' stage they must go through an attraction stage - is the attraction part itself wrong?

Does God disapprove of two men loving one another? Maybe some would say if it's like a woman then yes - does the bible say that?

it feels the same. that is what i mean.

when i was aroused by men the organ worked and reacted the same.

that is what i mean.

the deception is this, that is ok with god by design and that a same sex person is ok to the object of that affection or attraction.
it may feel the same and act the same but it is not meant to be that way.

 

[Jude]

Gay you say, its Sodomy plain and simple..

 

[Lance_Iguana]

yes it is. I've felt it, and I don't care if you guys find it wrong. Its my business.

On the society thing, yes the main reason most people are afraid to do anything is based on society and culture. Society isn't to blame for everything, and I'm not saying that it is.

Feeling bad about anything is actually part of how society reacts to it. Kids who are outside of an enforced societies rules on types of music, religion, sexuality, trends, sports, etc. feel stigma because the hostile environment. Even subtle hints can cause this. While studying sociology, we learn the differences of taboos from country to country, and culture to culture. As we've become more connected through the digital age, our stigmas are both starting to evaporate and expand. It is now easier for the average person to witness and communicate with cultures with different social norms then ours.


The US's culture is very Male dominated. Even with the massive leaps in gender equality, we still have strong gender stereotypes in the US. With this, we still have lines in the sand over what is Manly, and what is Girly. Religion has a role in this, but its more about how we as humans have some natural instincts that make us see patterns even if there aren't any, and our basic instincts of both Mob mentality and the fear of the unknown.


We see this commonly in the cliques in high-school, sports teams, different religions, Different states, heck even parts of our own country.

Homosexuality is a minority, even with it being touted about as much as it is lately, the average Joe dosen't really get much contact with homosexuals. They are usually that group the TV talks about, but not much is known about them. That is where the mind fills in the gaps with stereotypes.


A Homosexual. Bi sexual, Trans person, then is isolated and is faced with this hostility that might even be juts subtle. They are usually alone and have questions, and society says they are bad. It works, got me to waste a few years of my life hating myself over something that isn't a big deal, but just paranoia of the unknown.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Gay you say, its Sodomy plain and simple..

Most straight sex is Sodomy as well.

 

[jasoncran]

Most straight sex is Sodomy as well.

true, and i had that debate with a sinner over anal sex. he thought it was ok if a girl did that to him and wonder why i wont. he doenst know that i was bi. and i told him that i am exit only to be crude.

i knew that he wasnt looking for the lord and i didnt want to debte that with him.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

true, and i had that debate with a sinner over anal sex. he thought it was ok if a girl did that to him and wonder why i wont. he doenst know that i was bi. and i told him that i am exit only to be crude.

i knew that he wasnt looking for the lord and i didnt want to debte that with him.

I had some straight friends at college ( who didn't know I'm gay) talking about how they want sodomy laws reinforced. I got them to shut up by only stating that oral sex no matter the gender is considered Sodomy.

If that is to crude I'll edit it.

 

[jasoncran]

I had some straight friends at college ( who didn't know I'm gay) talking about how they want sodomy laws reinforced. I got them to shut up by only stating that oral sex no matter the gender is considered Sodomy.

If that is to crude I'll edit it.

no it is not. the problem with sodomy laws is where do you stop.

somethings are best left for the indivual to stop that act.

and i am agianst porn. and also most acts that porn promotes.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

no it is not. the problem with sodomy laws is where do you stop.

somethings are best left for the indivual to stop that act.

Exactly. I know we differ on allot of things, but this is something I can agree with you on.

On topic though. I feel love, and no one can tell me that I don't. I don't feel shame anymore, because I understand why people are naturally afraid of it. I don't agree with your religion's stance on it ( because I think its one of the most useless things to really make a big deal out of), But I'm just trying to get people to actually talk about it and not be in the dark and pretend to know what they are talking about.

 

[jasoncran]

if you are worried that we are assuming that you are promoting homosexuality on this thread. i am not seeing that. yes your are stating that youre gay but nothing more.

i was wondering when you would show up.

try to keep the gay is wrong vs gay is ok out of this thread and those that dont have that desire can learn why some do feel that the emotion to them is real.

disclaimer:its asumed here that gay is a sin, the tos will be enforced. i may not enforce it but others will.i merely saying that in order to know why gays think they are right and we wrong and how that is a sin, then ask why some say its ok and real.

 

[Mike]

And let's remember that this is the General Forum where members 14 and up are free to take part. This isn't even taking into account younger people who aren't members but reading along. I don't believe this needs to get into the area of talking about sexual acts. I'll be forced to lock this if it continues to be a topic of conversation.

Thanks.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I don't know if gay love is the same as heterosexual love. From my own experience, there seems to be a stronger element of obsession in the homosexual relationship. Also, there's more polarity; that's why you'll see the pretty boy with the masculine athletic guy. That doesn't happen all the time, but I do think it happens a lot, especially in more lasting gay unions. Also, gay unions don't tend to last nearly as long as heterosexual ones, and they're less likely to be monogamous (I can't speak for lesbian unions).

 

[Lewis]

Yes the love between gays is real, it is as real as a man and womans love. It is just wrong that's all.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I don't know if gay love is the same as heterosexual love. From my own experience, there seems to be a stronger element of obsession in the homosexual relationship.

I can't speak for your personal experience, but I haven't really seen this. I've been to Chicago, and to Indianapolis and have met many couples, and haven't seen this to any degree that makes it noticable.

Also, there's more polarity; that's why you'll see the pretty boy with the masculine athletic guy. That doesn't happen all the time, but I do think it happens a lot, especially in more lasting gay unions.

Actually no. This really is a rarity and is over played or over embelished when representing the community. I've seen this in terms of dating but for actual relationships its very much like straight people, it ends with people who are actually pretty similar. Oposites do attract, but usually end quickly due to communication differnces or a lack of a union. I've dated a more feminine male, but it ended because we were extreme opposites as people. My best relationship was with a guy who was built similar to me and we shared musical and hobby similarities.

Also, gay unions don't tend to last nearly as long as heterosexual ones, and they're less likely to be monogamous (I can't speak for lesbian unions).

I would really like to see the studies on this. Most of the studies I've seen, we're heavily focused on the Club and bar scene, which is only a part of the community. To show what I mean, if you wanted to test for straight relationships, but only went to the clubs that cater to the hook up scene, you are going to get skewed results. That goes for monagomey as well, polling locations that cater to specifically to the hook up scene is going to get you results for that section of the scene.